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Originally posted by: gossipgirl21
@ Sabhayata -- please read what I said; if you glorify Karan in your remake of the MB; if you manage to garner the resources, the actors, the producers, the channel to make such an epic and call it the MB then I will still watch your version of the MB; I gave Ms Kapoor a chance too...
and if I do NOT like it then I will not mock you; I will see it as your interpretation with an open mind and move on without acting like you made a huge mistake or glorifying you to the skies (just like I did with the book Palace of illusions that you used in your argument)what makes you think BRC stuck to the epic??and like I said this argument is going round in circles..edit..Not so fast...everyone here claims to have read the original version as written by Vyas? really?? the one with the 200,000 sanskrit poems that even anthropologists have not found? that even great Hindu philosophers have only read translated and abridged and perhaps even versions that have been changed to suit society's POV and a traditional Hindu community's sense of right and wrong;please explain to me what makes everyone think that BRC's MB was quite close to what Vyas said? did he personally tell BRC what he wrote or did BRC thinking that the 80s deserved a more traditional and conservative viewpoint use the reasoning that society at that point in time would accept.If I sat to interpret scene by scene that MB by BRC; i would find even more discrepancies than I already have...
Originally posted by: LeadNitrate
The thing is we all have read certain versions of MB, few of us have read more detailed versions with sanskrit shlokas but all of us have read interpretations only. Accordin to our cultures and cultivation of indology, we have slightly different variation of MB the epic in each of our languages.
For example, Tagore himself has written two very beautiful poems on gandhari and Karna and Kunti. In the latter emotional bond between both were wonderfully depicted, A lot of people take that as a karna-Kunti revelation episode. Hell BRC MB had that one. But acc to the shlokas it was not so. Their meeting was a lot less emotional and lot more bargain. Kunti came to him to secure his sons' interest.Kunti did not even hesitate to tempt karan with draupadi and karan also was not going so gaga over her either. This is what is said in the shlokas. It was hard core political deal. Karna promised not to harm any of the 4 pandavas except Arjun. Kunti could not way seal a clear deal for all her 5 sons with him.So now, which one would you like this MB to show? They have already overdone the ma ki mamta and karna's unanswered feelings whenever he is near kunti or Arjun. But they are not that true.Do we diss BRC MB coz how they did the pre war meeting of Kunti and Karan?the entire MB, all the stories, all the events are interpretations.There are studies which show the clear writing difference between the initial parva's and the latter parva's of MB, suggesting it was not written by one but by many authors who all either belonged to same school of writer or used the name of their much famous predecessor as pseudonym to give their writing recognition.I personally feel the entire Arjun and Draupadi romance angle is a distortion btw.The way Krishna is shown as all knowing guy and his life events are distorted a distortion too.More or less I think this MB is doing okay.Its not perfect, there are things I feel which are overly dramatic, there are gross distortions too.But mocking this one endless will not help it.
Originally posted by: gossipgirl21
I just do not udnerstand why people cannot see it as an interpretationBRC's MB was never the be all end all or the epitome of a tv representation of the epic; it was an interpretation and screenplay written by the Late Dr Rahi Masoom Reza and his interpretation of the great events and an interpretation he chose to tell bearing in mind Indian society at that point. The reason all and sundry hailed it was because there was nothing else to compare it to.
I have read a version where Karan is seen as being so blinded in his jealousy and his love for Duri that eh failed to see all else; now will I begrudge this SP MB for making Karan seem not as bad it may have been thought? Will I begrudge the author of the palace of illusions for making Karan her great hero; no I won't. I will just not gush about that book as much. I will take from it what I feel should be and ignore what I feel is not my cup of tea...diss BRC's MB??no wayysss Tannu; do you not know that was perfection?? do you not Know that BRC actually met Vyasa and had him as creative consultant on his team (taste of own medicine scenario...)I beg to differ..that was the way BRC felt that Indians would accept the story so eh simplified it and told the greatest epic ever written in 92 episodesP.S. i really want Amish to try his hand at MB; because I want to see who will mock him and what kind of fan mail he will get...
Originally posted by: LeadNitrate
neither this version nor BRC version showed the chicken leg of duri, they show a gora chitta guy as kanha, who was darker than darkest cloud, they never give the real reason of Shakuni acting like foil to all good, they both have chosen to treat him as a good for nothing dude piggy banking for the future power of his bhanja, selfish and self centered. They never show how Duri had imprisoned and tortured him and thats why he vowed to destroyed the kuru family.They never show what a great warrior he was and how he and his sons fought in the war.They do not show these things and these are bigger distortions imo.And we do not protest them because although its a huge deviation from the scriptures , BRC did not show it so its authentic.Atleast I thank god Pooja sharma seems to be of a darker hue. Sick of seeing gora chittas playing krishna and krishnaaa.Also, they do not know pandavas, all 5 of them were extremely handsome, powerful and desirable men. They always just chose some moderately good looking guy as Arjun, some random strong wrestler /bodybuilder type as bheem and gets over with it. ANother distortion.
Originally posted by: LeadNitrate
yup just posted my first detailed MB answer.Need Vrish to see it. đŸ˜†đŸ˜†I have fairly unorthodox view of MB so I am not sure how welcome I will be here.I find some things shown in this MB are pretty spot on, like Gandhari's pregnancy, yuyutsu's conception, birth of duri, Madri and her conniving nature.But I also find the overdoing of karan and Kunti tedious.
Originally posted by: gossipgirl21
Really?? and you are sure that the abridged translation/interpretation does not have any distortions from the original??you are sure that the authors of each of these abridged versions translated it word to word and did not distort it to match their viewpoint or that of society at that point of time? i am assuming you are talking about translating sanskrit shlokas that are available to us?Most of the translations say the same thing(few additions are there) not talking about interpretation but translations.In any case if they have translated it wrongly then i can also say may be as per actual sanskrit shlokas Dury could be the real hero and pandavas the villans may be translation has been done wrongly to potray Pnadavs as a hero.There is a book i am reading these days called ajaya which shows kauravas as heroes and pandavs as bullies may be ajaya is the real mahabhart does that mean if tomorrow they show ajaya as mahabharat it should be accpetable to me i am sorry its not .That is why i said discussion about that many sanskrit shlokas are not found or translation could be wrong wont led us any where since there is no end to this then like the example have given.If you are able to view or see the fictional tracks wth an open mind thinking that not entire translation is available to us that is great for you perosnally i cant see fictional tracks demeaning epic heores that is my POV
You are sure there are no explanations given which are satisfactory and more acceptable and easier to understand e.g. purv janam vardaans about marrying a guy with all qualities...Anthropologists say that in many parts of South India that the explanation given in BRC's MB was an easier to accept version for traditional Hindus;BRC MB showed it the way it is in ved vya's MB (the translated version available to us) if people dont want to beleive that its fine MB is all about asking questions?But doesnt chage the fact that is what is mentioned in Ved vyas's translated version like i said show what epic says and let people think for themselves raher than show your interpretation and showing things not even remotely mentioned and call it Mahabhart.But personaly i ddint mind this serial's interpretation it made sensebut some peopel there do not believe that and feel EXACTLY what SP is depicting. Now will you mock the anthropologists or the cultures they spoke to who think this is the case?? Will you ask them to rename their Mahabharat?? or will you let them tell their story as they wish to tell and interpret it...again there are so many intepretation of Drauapdi marrying the 5 brother's but like i said show what epic says rather your own interpretation and call it mahabharat but in any case i am ok with seeing this serial interpretation as it made sense i habe no issue with this interpreataion as well .Hence this is ok .But several tracks have been interpted in such an illogical and demeaning way for example lakshagarh track the of course it will be mocked if hey will show illogical things they will be mocked if they mock characters like Bheem and Yudi they will mocked
P.S. someone somewhere asked why Draupadi could not marry Krishna because he had all the qualities-- well she cannot because she was never a part of Lakshmi/an incarnation of Lakshmi or Lakshmi herself. Only she who is a form of the Goddess Lakshmi who is Lord Vishnu's divine consort can marry him/his avatar/his form...so DPadi could not marry KanhaThankks for the clarificationIn end i would just like to say what i said earlier i am open to seing new interpretations of Mahabhaarat i have enjoyed several tracks this serial has shown that is why i am still watching it but but if some track is shown illigocaly or mocking a character i will mock that track just like i will appreciate the track which is shown logically and all characters are shown respectfully like this drauapdi marrying 5 pandavas
Bold agreed about kunti and karna but still BRC did a much better job atleast they never showed kunti trying to tell karna the truth and then being stopped by a ficitonal character .Hence even if it wasnt as per the epic its much better than what this serial is showingOriginally posted by: LeadNitrate
For example, Tagore himself has written two very beautiful poems on gandhari and Karna and Kunti. In the latter emotional bond between both were wonderfully depicted, A lot of people take that as a karna-Kunti revelation episode. Hell BRC MB had that one. But acc to the shlokas it was not so. Their meeting was a lot less emotional and lot more bargain. Kunti came to him to secure his sons' interest.Kunti did not even hesitate to tempt karan with draupadi and karan also was not going so gaga over her either. This is what is said in the shlokas. It was hard core political deal. Karna promised not to harm any of the 4 pandavas except Arjun. Kunti could not way seal a clear deal for all her 5 sons with him.
So now, which one would you like this MB to show? They have already overdone the ma ki mamta and karna's unanswered feelings whenever he is near kunti or Arjun. But they are not that true.Do we diss BRC MB coz how they did the pre war meeting of Kunti and Karan?
the entire MB, all the stories, all the events are interpretations.There are studies which show the clear writing difference between the initial parva's and the latter parva's of MB, suggesting it was not written by one but by many authors who all either belonged to same school of writer or used the name of their much famous predecessor as pseudonym to give their writing recognition.
I personally feel the entire Arjun and Draupadi romance angle is a distortion btw.The way Krishna is shown as all knowing guy and his life events are distorted a distortion too.
More or less I think this MB is doing okay.Its not perfect, there are things I feel which are overly dramatic, there are gross distortions too.But mocking this one endless will not help it.
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