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Aish

@AishwaryaRathod

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1041

@spatel

I have followed the series pretty much from the start.

I thought they were detailing quite a few aspects of the MB including

1) the Kauravas being born

2) Dhri's affair with the maid

3)Madri being a total and complete cow

4)the original MB not having Krishna's baal leela -- it was never a part of MB and was actually in the Srimad Bhagawatam (my sister was so angry at SP coz of this and I had to tell her that the original MB did not have all these stories)

The pandavas are still virtuous; who says they arent? marrying Draupadi makes them sinful? but Krishna said it was forgiven right because the circumstances here are unusual and again for a unified India, for a prosperous India for a righteous India Duri could not be King so how can Yudi take sansyaas and the interpretation that in this day and age it IS sinful is correct isn't it. In this day and age even polygamy is against the Hindu marriage act.

The pandavas were never sinful; they did not think the throne was rightfully theirs; they were not spoiled brats who tried to blackmail their parents; they were not jealous of any one else's success; they did not cheat at dice; they did not call a woman a wh**e or try and disrobe her; they spoke the truth;

However I know of interpretations that state that Duri was a just king; was dedicated to his wife; was a good friend (i beg to differ because I feel he used Karan to try and achieve his motive; he knew Karan wanted to be accepted by the Kshatriyas and the only way that could be was to make him ang raj and thus giving him the license to fight Arjun; and Karan also I feel is glorified and MY interpretation of him is that he was jealous and he wanted to BE a kshatriya so at the price of being able to compete with Arjuna and show the world that he was better than Arjun he took Duri up on his offer, anyways I digress) and was a brave warrior.

These interpretations see Duri as being grey and not totally bad;

these interpretations see Kanha as human; as a politician who played the game because he wanted a unified India; there are other interpretations who also say that Duri was in love with draupadi and his jealousy against the pandavas is what led to him asking for her to be staked and not that he wanted Indraprastha or that he was jealous of

Yudi.

There are other interpretatiosn that begrudge Arjun the fact that he married Subhadra;

There are others who term him the HERO of the MB; the Nar akin to Kanha (sorry I am used to calling Krishna this so I may refer to him as this)'s Narayan and therefore if he was he hero and Kanha was the GREAT HERO aka the mahanayak it would make perfect sense for them to be at the forefront of the epic; againa bone I have to pick with BRC because he showed Yudi as being at the forefront and everyoen else taking a backseat to Yudi.

As for the university; In HINDUISM, the Gita is what was said to Arjun; said by Lord Krishna aka the supreme personality of godhead; this is the Vaishnav and the ISKCON version too; there may be other versions because many people believe in Krishna in different forms and different ways;

Now since you mentioned the Ramayan somewhere previously...to us yes there are two versions of it--Tulsidas's RCM and Valmiki's Ramayan. However, there are some versions in South India that explain in detail why Kaikeyi was who she was; why she asked for the boons; and state that it was ALL a divine plan including what happened in Uttar Khand

And like that book says Hari Anant Hari Katha Ananta Kaha Hi Sunahi Bahu Vidhi Sab Santa; can't that be held in terms of Lord Krishna's stories too...

some people believe in RCM more than Valmiki;

I suggest emailing SP and asking what sources they are using; they may reply

Edited by gossipgirl21 - 11 years ago

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1042

@gossipgirl

1)Regarding interpretations

Different people interpret Mahabharta in different ways infact each and everyone interprets Mahabharat in their own way hence you have different books on Mahabharata like The palace of illussion,Mrityunjay to name a few but the these books aren't called Mahabharat they have different names as they are author's own interpretation hence we call this swastikbharat as this is swastik's own interpretation of Mahabharat. My point is if you are showing Mahbharat then show what is written(what is available as per ved vyas translated version) and leave to the viewers to interpret it the way they want it some one wants to view karna as a hero after that its their choice just show what actually karna did or didnt do in the epic what actually arjuna did or say or didnt say as per the epic and the let people interpret it in their own way

2)Reagarding SP's sources

i don't need to mail any one since i am sure that there is no version in arjuna could play veena before exile and had to wash karna's feet,in which he met subhadra before Drauapdi and before his exile, in which panadavs with their power punch created a hole on the earth during lakshagarah or that arjun was running like a superman in the fire, where yudi stands like a mute spectator or where bheem is only interested in eating or where arjun and druapadi meet before he swyamabr r where Drupad asked for such teriible thigs for Draupadi and tortured brahamins and lets not even begin with nest week's distortion

leave me do you truly believe that there will be some unknown version that says all the above things? Do you truly believe that

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Aish

@AishwaryaRathod

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#1043

what do i think?? well I look at everything with an open mind...

A lot can be asked as to what I think...

do I think Duri was black or grey?

do I think Kanha was THE LORD or was he a master politician and only later came to be revered as Sampurna Bhagawan /Supreme Personality of Godhead who knew that Dpadi could cause a rift between the Pandavas and unity amongst them was important for a unified india )and isn't this was Vyas implied in the episode; if Yudi loses his brothers; he loses his chance at uniting India

Do i think Yudi was in love with Draupadi

Do I think Duri wanted indraprastha or wanted Draupadi

Do I think Karna was upset about being humiliated at the Swayamvar and so called Dpadi a wh**e

Do I think Arjun cheated on Dpadi with Subhadra because he was heartbroken for having to share his first love

well I think a lot of things BUT then again refer to above...

Just like people have the right to bash and mock; I have the right to keep an open mind even if it is about my fav character in the MB;

Let's say i too prefer that the nayak of MB; the person the Gita was narrated to takes a forefront in the story rather than be relegated to Yudi's sidekick; then what? that is my interpretation of how I would like to see Arjun..Would I name it Arjun to the forefront? or would I still call it Mahabharat? Let's say other than Krishna, I feel everyone did something for their own selfish motive; would I call it The Politics towards a unified India? Or let's say I thought this too was Kanha's leela would I call it the way Krishna Unified India? not necessarily. I would still call it MB..

to my sister Duri is evil; but to her BFF he is grey...do i say she has interpreted another MB? to my sister Kanha is god but to her BFF he is a very clever game changer who later was discovered to be the lord; are these different versions of MB?? not at all

anyways; this argument is going around in circles so perhaps we can beg to differ and you guys can mock and I can go find my discussion ground elsewhere...

Peace!!!!

Edited by gossipgirl21 - 11 years ago

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Medha.S

@Medha.S

Rocker

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1044

Originally posted by: gossipgirl21
what do i think?? well I look at everything with an open mind...
A lot can be asked as to what I think...

do I think Duri was black or grey?
do I think Kanha was THE LORD or was he a master politician and only later came to be revered as Sampurna Bhagawan /Supreme Personality of Godhead who knew that Dpadi could cause a rift between the Pandavas and unity amongst them was important for a unified india )and isn't this was Vyas implied in the episode; if Yudi loses his brothers; he loses his chance at uniting India
Do i think Yudi was in love with Draupadi
Do I think Duri wanted indraprastha or wanted Draupadi
Do I think Karna was upset about being humiliated at the Swayamvar and so called Dpadi a wh**e
Do I think Arjun cheated on Dpadi with Subhadra because he was heartbroken for having to share his first love

well I think a lot of things BUT then again refer to above...

Just like people have the right to bash and mock; I have the right to keep an open mind even if it is about my fav character in the MB;

Let's say i too prefer that the nayak of MB; the person the Gita was narrated to takes a forefront in the story rather than be relegated to Yudi's sidekick; then what? that is my interpretation of how I would like to see Arjun..Would I name it Arjun to the forefront? or would I still call it Mahabharat? Let's say other than Krishna, I feel everyone did something for their own selfish motive; would I call it The Politics towards a unified India? Or let's say I thought this too was Kanha's leela would I call it the way Krishna Unified India? not necessarily. I would still call it MB..

to my sister Duri is evil; but to her BFF he is grey...do i say she has interpreted another MB? to my sister Kanha is god but to her BFF he is a very clever game changer who later was discovered to be the lord; are these different versions of MB?? not at all

anyways; this argument is going around in circles so perhaps we can beg to differ and you guys can mock and I can go find my discussion ground elsewhere...

Peace!!!!

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I think people should read the disclaimer of the show.

Obviously, they will add lots of fiction the show. Every mythological show in these last two decades have had loads of fiction. They will not just open the most prominent translation of the Epic and start enacting it ( Perhaps, KMG? B.Lal?).

There will be lots of fiction, some, you will like some you wont. People should accept the simple fact that they will not be getting to see everything the same way it is written. They do call the show a Mythological DRAMA.

Even the old Mahabharat does not show everything according to how it is already written. They took liberties too, altered events and glorified characters, and till this date people believe in things the way they showed it.

They are keeping all the basic facts right there, Kunti has 6 sons. Draupadi has five husbands, Gandhari has 100 sons and 1 daughter. The daughter will be marrying Jayadrath. Apart from that, they have a writer, if they wanted to show MB how it is written, they wouldn't have needed a writer at all since the whole script has already been written.

And they pay so much attention to every character, they go overboard with it sometimes.

But, they do keep the basic facts there, weather Bhishma was called buddha bhairav or Arjuna a Gadha with Dhanush baan or not.

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1045

@gossipgirl: That is what i am saying as well people interpret characters in MB in different ways .For some karan is a hero for some villian for some duryodhan is a villain for some grey shaded but does that mean that when you are making Mahabharata one should keep their personal choices in front and ignore what epic truly says .For example i am huge karna fan now if tomorrow i make mahabharta that makes karna into huge hero add fictional incidents that make him seem better than pamdavas or arjuna would you appreciate that would you still say WOW what a serial of course not i wont my self like something like this similarly just because i interpret karna as a hero doesn't mean i start showing fictional things that say so. because i knwo it goes against the epic i have enough respect for the epic not to do so .Again for arjun i think if they show whatever he actually did in the epic he will come out as hero there is no need to add fictional things especially give him things other pandavs did.Like i said making MB is a huge responsibility you need to keep your personal bias and fav's away and show what epic says.I dont think arjun is a sidekick in in epic yes he follows whatever his brother said so what that is who actual arjuna was the CV's are themselves disrespecting epic's arjun by not showing the way he actually was in the epic hence saying as if epic's arjuna in himself is not great hence we need to add extra things. Like is said MB is our epic that we have learned about this since childhood we have favs' but instead of catering to your favs' serial should show what truly is written so that fans of all characters can enjoy do you really think any BHeen fan can enjoy this serial of course if they see their epic hero being mocked they will mock the serial where is the doubt in that

Like I said in another thread this serial is mocking the epic hence we are mocking this serial

@medha:ficiton is ok as long as they dont degrade any character in or show them in bad light

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Aish

@AishwaryaRathod

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#1046

@ Sabhayata -- please read what I said; if you glorify Karan in your remake of the MB; if you manage to garner the resources, the actors, the producers, the channel to make such an epic and call it the MB then I will still watch your version of the MB; I gave Ms Kapoor a chance too...

and if I do NOT like it then I will not mock you; I will see it as your interpretation with an open mind and move on without acting like you made a huge mistake or glorifying you to the skies (just like I did with the book Palace of illusions that you used in your argument)

what makes you think BRC stuck to the epic??

and like I said this argument is going round in circles..

edit..Not so fast...

everyone here claims to have read the original version as written by Vyas? really?? the one with the 200,000 sanskrit poems that even anthropologists have not found? that even great Hindu philosophers have only read translated and abridged and perhaps even versions that have been changed to suit society's POV and a traditional Hindu community's sense of right and wrong;

please explain to me what makes everyone think that BRC's MB was quite close to what Vyas said? did he personally tell BRC what he wrote or did BRC thinking that the 80s deserved a more traditional and conservative viewpoint use the reasoning that society at that point in time would accept.

If I sat to interpret scene by scene that MB by BRC; i would find even more discrepancies than I already have...

Edited by gossipgirl21 - 11 years ago

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1047

Originally posted by: gossipgirl21
@ Sabhayata -- please read what I said; if you glorify Karan in your remake of the MB; if you manage to garner the resources, the actors, the producers, the channel to make such an epic and call it the MB then I will still watch your version of the MB; I gave Ms Kapoor a chance too...
and if I do NOT like it then I will not mock you; I will see it as your interpretation with an open mind and move on without acting like you made a huge mistake or glorifying you to the skies (just like I did with the book Palace of illusions that you used in your argument)

what makes you think BRC stuck to the epic??

and like I said this argument is going round in circles...so Adios!! its been quite REAL..

Then that is your personal choice and i respect it.

But personally i wont enjoy. I really respect these epic characters to watch any storyline that degrads them in any way.If they starts showing karna great at expense of arjun i wont be able to accept this degradation of such an epic hero hence i wil lose all my respect for the maker if they can mock an epic hero why cant i mock them as well.I have seen a lot their tracks with open mind and appreciated them like the rangbhoomi ,krishna-arjuna track or Drupad war track all of these had ficitonal elements in it but i watched it with an open mind and enjoyed it i even enjoyed the current track of Drauapdi and pandavs even though all this doenst exist in the epic becuase i felt they showed all charcters very respectfully but i am unable to watch any track that degrades or demeans a charater with an open mind and enjoy it.

Of course BRC didnt stick to the original but still it was way better than this serial that is my opinion.To summarize i can watch fictional tracks or different interpretations wth open mind as long as they dont degarde epic heroes or their relationships.I cant see this with an open mind i am sorry.

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1048

=gossipgirl21
everyone here claims to have read the original version as written by Vyas? really?? the one with the 200,000 sanskrit poems that even anthropologists have not found?

Lets not discuss about things that havent been found we really dont know what it says may be if its found some day our whole concept of Mahabhart changes who knows.We can only discuss on the basis of what is available to us and what has been translated or interpreted

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Aish

@AishwaryaRathod

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#1049

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Lets not discuss about things that havent been found we really dont know what it says may be if its found some day our whole concept of Mahabhart changes who knows.We can only discuss on the basis of what is available to us and what has been translated or interpreted

Really?? and you are sure that the abridged translation/interpretation does not have any distortions from the original??you are sure that the authors of each of these abridged versions translated it word to word and did not distort it to match their viewpoint or that of society at that point of time?

You are sure there are no explanations given which are satisfactory and more acceptable and easier to understand e.g. purv janam vardaans about marrying a guy with all qualities...Anthropologists say that in many parts of South India that the explanation given in BRC's MB was an easier to accept version for traditional Hindus; but some peopel there do not believe that and feel EXACTLY what SP is depicting. Now will you mock the anthropologists or the cultures they spoke to who think this is the case?? Will you ask them to rename their Mahabharat?? or will you let them tell their story as they wish to tell and interpret it...

P.S. someone somewhere asked why Draupadi could not marry Krishna because he had all the qualities-- well she cannot because she was never a part of Lakshmi/an incarnation of Lakshmi or Lakshmi herself. Only she who is a form of the Goddess Lakshmi who is Lord Vishnu's divine consort can marry him/his avatar/his form...so DPadi could not marry Kanha

Edited by gossipgirl21 - 11 years ago