Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread #1 - Page 18

Originally posted by: shani88

Sorry, I didn't mean Hastinapur the city per se. Actually, Shakuni wanted to destroy the Kuruvansh to avenge his sister's "humiliation". But, when you want to destroy an entire royal family, the people ruled by them are bound to get affected to a certain degree. That's one of the reasons why war should be regarded as the very last resort to resolve any conflict - so as to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and loss of lives. Unfortunately, there WAS a lot of bloodshed in the Kurukshetra war.

no, i think it is the ambission and pride and insecurity of dhritraastra which was inherited to duryodhan also was the cause of the war.

if shakuni was so cunning why could he not prevent his sister's marrriage to the blind Dhriti?

hi

this may surprise you ll,but contary to what people believe shakuni never did have vengence aginst kurus or wanted them destroyed. Gandhari's marriage was a purely political one aimed to gain hastinapur as an ally, shakuni had no qualms in it. that being said Shakuni was against pandavas only because if yudi got the throne the political advantage they had would be lost. Shakuni wanted only duryodhana to occupy hastinapur throne and he did whatever required to facilitate that. He is not jealous of yudi getting khandavprastha as long as duryodhan is made heir to hastinapur. The jealousy is all fron duryodhan's side. see this passage from KMG:


"Sakuni said.--'O Duryodhana, thou shouldst not be jealous of Yudhishthira. The sons of Pandu are enjoying what they deserve in consequence of their own good fortune. O slayer of foes, O great king,
thou couldst not destroy them by repeatedly devising numberless plans, many of which thou hadst even put to practice. Those tigers among men out of sheer luck escaped all those machinations. They have obtained Draupadi for wife and Drupada with his sons as also Vasudeva of great prowess as allies, capable of helping them in subjugating the whole world. And O king, having inherited the paternal share of the kingdom without being deprived of it they have grown in consequence of their own energy. What is there to make thee sorry for this? Having gratified Hustasana, Dhananjaya hath obtained the bow
Gandiva and the couple of inexhaustible quivers and many celestial weapons. With that unique bow and by the strength of his own arms also he hath brought all the kings of the world under his sway. What is
there to make thee sorry for this? Having saved the Asura Maya from a conflagration, Arjuna, that slayer of foes, using both his hands with equal skill, caused him to build that assembly house. And it is for this
also that commanded by Maya, those grim Rakshasas called Kinkaras supported that assembly house. What is there in this to make thee sorry? Thou hast said, O king, that thou art without allies. This, O
Bharata, is not true. These thy brothers are obedient to thee. Drona of great prowess and wielding the large bow along with his son, Radha's son Karna, the great warrior Gautama (Kripa), myself with my
brothers and king Saumadatti--these are thy allies. Uniting thyself with these, conquer thou the whole of the earth.'
"Duryodhana said,--'O king, with thee, as also with these great warriors, I shall subjugate the Pandavas,if it pleases thee. If I can now subjugate them, the world will be mine and all the monarchs, and that
assembly house so full of wealth.'
"Sakuni replied,--'Dhananjaya and Vasudeva, Bhimasena and Yudhishthira, Nakula and Sahadeva and Drupada with his sons,--these cannot be vanquished in battle by even the celestials, for they are all great warriors wielding the largest bows, accomplished in weapons, and delighting in battle. But, O king, I know the means by which Yudhishthira himself may be vanquished. Listen to me and adopt it.'

and he tells duryodhan about the dice game.
in KMG. sakuni's brothers are alive (vrishaka and achala killed by arjun) and die fighting in the battlefield. whatever sakuni does plan against pandavas, it is on insistence of duryodhan only.

Originally posted by: crazy-nut

It was interesting to note the tension between all the 3 brothers who has a claim to the throne, pretty realistic.

who is the third one ? I thought it was only two!

Okay, I just saw today's episode. Dhritarashtra knows the shabdbedi art - what a crock!!! The only ones who knew it in the Mahabharata were Arjun, Krishna, maybe Karna & Pandu (IIRC, Pandu shot Rishi Kindamba mistaking his sound for a deer). Dhritarashtra had none of that. This serial seems to be following KMHK in trying to make Dhritarashtra look greater than he really was.

SRJ pronunces sh as s. Avashya become avasya.

one ques: y r the cv's showing such super-arrogancy in bhishma and dhritrashtra regarding marriage to gandhari??
it was the other way round- gandhari's boon was she should have a century of sons each equal unto her lord in strength and accomplishments - which king wouldnt like to have 100 sons like himself?
so bhishma saying that anyone can have a 100 sons is highly insulting.