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...Diala... thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago


dont know 😆.. i have a question to be added to urs may be.. Did Bhima shave his beard regularly or it never grew on his face at all? 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

It's not tough @ all, except for Hare krishna members who think the latter.

Vishnu had 10 avatars if one goes by Dasha avatar, and some 20+ if one goes by the SB count. Krishna was just one of them. Of course, if one uses Krishna as one of the other names of Vishnu, it's a different thing altogether, but I'm sure that's not what the above question means.



Actually ISKCON People believe it and they take the writing from Geeta too seriously which is "krshnas tu swayam bhagvanam", the writing simply states that Krishna is the full Incarnation of God,they explain it in a way that I got confused.
Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
There have been a lot of discussions about the caste system here...
I, myself was also very confused about it and still am..
I just found an article regarding the caste-system, am posting it here...


The Caste system as per Bheeshma

Mother's caste takes precedence unless indicated

Brahmani-Brahmana: Brahmana
Brahmani-Kshatriya: Soota (The duties of a Suta are all connected with the reciting of eulogies and encomiums of kings and other great men)
Brahmani-Vaisya: Vaidehaka (ringing a bell at the appearance of dawn, continually. praises (great) men)
Brahmani-Sudra: Chandala (Public executioner);

Kshatrani-Brahmin: Kshatriya by birth; Allowed as Brahmana as per mother's wishes; Called savarana to differentiate from other Brahmins and Kshatriyas
Kshatrani-Ksatriya: Ksatriya
Kshatrani-Vaisya: Magadha, Vandi (The duties assigned to him are eloquent recitations of praise.)
Kshatrani-Sudra: Nishada/Kshattri (Fishermen)

Vaisyaa-Brahmana: Bhrigyakantha
Vaisyaa-kshatriya: Ambashtha also called Karana also Mahishya
Vaisya-Vaisya: Vaisya
Vaisyaa-Sudra: Ayogava, takshan (Carpenters) also certain type of maagadha

Sudraa-Brahmana: Parasara also certain Nishada (four types of Nishada; lowest is a very complex mix) also Daushyants
Sudraa-Kshatriya: Ugra (Police, catching and killing (animals))
Sudraa-Vaisya: Rathakara (builds chariots)
Sudraa-Sudra: Sudra

Those sons of the twice-born, begotten of the next lower castes, who have been enumerated in due order, they call by the name Anantaras (belonging to the next lower caste).
All sons, begotten on women of equal and Anantara, will have the duties of twice-born men;
If (a female of any caste), bear (children) to one of the highest caste, the inferior (tribe) attains the highest caste within the seventh generation;

Bheeshma uses names which are there in major caste books later like manusmriti, Baudhyana, Gautama smriti, Parasara smriti who adds some more.

His use of ambashtha, Magadha, Mahishya indidates when Aryans took over those regions they accomodated whole people as single caste. Parasara is personal name, Brhamin Parasara kick starts the Mahabharata marrying fisherwomen Satyavati, the new caste is born. Vyas is hence a Parasara. Ugra was another king who battled Bheeshma, whose mother was sudra. Bheeshma pays homage to that king.

There are many more 30 odd mixed castes but those do not have any famous characters in Mahabharat.

Kayavya, born of a Kshatriya father and a Nishada mother was recognized as Kshatriya beacause he followed those duties, again echoing Yudhishthara's karma, not janma. Karna pleads to sanjaya among others in darbar in Udyoga parva that you should recognize me as Kshatriya as i follow Kshatriya dharma. Sanjaya pointedly calls him soota/ soota putra 147 times after that. Some indicate this as Sanjay eulogising his caste.

Most famous Soota is Adhiratha, whose father/grandfather Vishawagopa rescued a brahmani in forest and married her. Other is father to Sudeshna and Keechaka, grandfather to Parikshita's mother. Yudhishthara 's charioteer is a descendent of Bahlika, a cousin, Bhima's is son of Krishan, a nephew. Both have speaking roles.

Vandi was a great debater, son of Varuna and defeated by Ashtavakra. Vandi are also among Yajna castes created by Brahma and organize yajnas. Most famous Nishada is Eklavya. (In many puranas, he is son of Hiranyadhanush and One of Kunti's sisters). His sons are in war. Karusha or Dantipur kingdom is either Nishada or highly mixed Nishada-Kshatriya society.
Most famous Karana/Amabshtha is Yuyutsu, the caste probably takes its name from his personal name Karana. There is literally no Vaisya speaking roles except 21 councillors sitting in Hastinapur court who utter and exclaim. Most famous Sudra is Ballava, cook to Virata, his parmour Malini the most famous sairindhari! Brihannla is a Vadehika. We are not sure of Granthika, Arishtanemi and Tantripala. Kanka was a brahamin in service.

I have no proof of it's authenticity, if someone knows, then please comment...


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Posted: 11 years ago
just wanted to share this :
These are apparently believed to be the huge remains of ghatotkacha ...found in 2007 in north india! the height of teh skeleton is 80 feet
it is believed that this news was not broadcasted properly as the vatican does not want the sanatan dharma to be propagated further as teh oldest most ancient religion of mankind..


Edited by lovesunshine - 11 years ago
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GIANT SKELETON OF GHATOTKACH
Recent exploration activity in the
northern region of India uncovered
a skeletal remains of a human of
phenomenal size. This region of the
Indian desert is called the Empty
Quarter.
The exploration team also found
tablets with inscriptions that stated
that our Gods of Indian
mythologicalyore, Brahma, had
created people of phenomenal size
the like of which He has not created
since. They were very tall, big, and
very powerful, such that they could
put their arms around a tree trunk
and uproot it. They were created to
bring order among us since we were
always fighting with each other. One
of he sons of Bhima of the Pandava
brothers is also thought of to have
been carrying these genes. Later
these people, who were given all the
power turned against all our Gods
and transgressed beyond all
boundaries set. As a result they
were destroyed by God Shiva.
The Geo Exploration team believes
these to be the remains of those
people.
Govt of India has secured the whole
area and no one is, allowed to enter
except the NatGeo personnel.
Sands and sediments are known to
be a good host as preservative of
such types of remains.
Seeing the conditions of the less
damaged weathered bones it can be
inferred that the man either died or
buried in the sand near the stream
or in a stream bed which may have
flowed from the area in the
geological past and soon become
buried in the sediments or it may be
recent.
In Hindu religion there is saying
that in one of the earliest era
(Satyug) of the human civilization
the general height of the humans
were 22 feet.
Earlier there have been sightings of
exceptionally tall creatures with
enormous feet (hence the name
Bigfoot)and thick covering of hair
on their bodies in remote areas of
the United States and Canada- in the
Rocky Mountains and the
Appalachians-from the earliest times
onward. Bigfoot is up to 8 feet (2.5
m) tall, stands upright, and is
covered in thick reddish-brown
hair.
The Himalayan Yeti is another
classic cryptid. This world famous
creature has actually not been
sighted very often. Mostly people
find its tracks, which range widely
in size between 6 and 18 inches
(15-45 cm ) long ( Mysteries of the
World by Herbert Genzmer and
Ulrich Hellenbrand, published by
Parragon Publishing, p. 242).
Yet accounts of sightings of this
mysterious creature continue right
up to the present.
Only by the size of the huge
skeleton (not reported earlier) it not
easy to jump to any conclusion
about relating to any ancient human
beings or classifying it to any group.
But seeing the size of the skeleton
found in northern India risk can be
taken it to consider it as extinct
GIGANTOPITHECUS.
According to the different research
report Gigantopithecus an enormous
primate thought to have inhabited
southern China and northern India
between 12 million and 500,000
years ago. It was described in 1935
on the basis of individual teeth from
a Chinese apothecary. Since 1956,
four large fossil jawbones have been
identified. Based on fossil evidence,
paleontologists speculate that
Gigantopithecus had an adult
standing height of over three meters
(ten feet) and a weight of 550 Kg
(1200 lb).
Although it is not known why
Gigantopithecus died out,
researchers believe that climate and
resource competition with better
adapted species were the main
culprits.
The fossils of prehuman and
ancestral human forms are obtained
from widely diverse regions of
Africa, Asia and Europe which
indicates that man's centre of origin
was probably in Asia and Africa.
More precisely man has originated
in Central Asia, because the oldest
known fossils have been obtained
from Asia- China, Java and India
(Siwalik Hills).





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Posted: 11 years ago
Wonderful article, Luvsunshine...
Thanks for sharing...😃
Can you please also post the link, would really like to follow up on this information... 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
i will post it if i find it, i am searching for it, this one was posted on the MB facebook page..
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Posted: 11 years ago

I have a doubt.. in Ved Vyas Mahabharat which comes first, Bakhasura Vadh or Hidimb?

...Diala... thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sukanya_Datta

There have been a lot of discussions about the caste system here...
I, myself was also very confused about it and still am..
I just found an article regarding the caste-system, am posting it here...

The Caste system as per Bheeshma
Kshatrani-Sudra: Nishada/Kshattri (Fishermen)


I have doubt on the this one.. I remember Vidura was addressed Kshattri.. he being born of Vaisyaa mother and Kshatriya father..
Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ...Diala...


I have doubt on this one.. I remember Vidura was addressed Kshattri.. he being born of Vaisyaa mother and Kshatriya father..


Your doubt could be true,Diala di...😊
As I mentioned in my post, I just found this article and have no proof of its authenticity...
That's why I asked people to correct if something was wrong in that article...
And thank you for posting your doubt... 😊

Btw, where and when was Vidura referred as a kshattri...??

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