Episode 444 Discussion: 4th December 2013

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Kenno

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Posted: 11 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

The slate needs to be wiped clean of everything since the time they got married and hence I believe all this clunk introduced to get back to the real story they always wanted to tell.

I really really wish that to happen 😊 Even I need the same old meiej..,those stares,passionate moments,heated arguments and the holi dance

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Charu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: armummy
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Mm,Kashish,

Why you guys are expecting consideration for Madhu from RK, when he is thinking that she did it wantedly, so why will he feel that she went through traumatic experience. According to him , she is very calculatively took this decision and hence faking all the emtions...so expecting him to shower love when he thinks she killed a child is unrealistic , No.

It is another thing that we want him to be sympathetic to Madhu, but the state which is in , he can never show sympathy.

This is also the same person who never said a word to her after sultan fiasco or even after the stabbing incident, any normal person would have had had atleast some resentment but he was supportive at that time, because he did not think bad about her.

Now his thinking has changed and he is doubting her.

my point exactly ! 👏 considering the state of mind he is in, and the way he's been thinking so far, it's impossible tht he wud have shown his love and concern..in his mind he thinks she did it on purpose and she's faking so where is the question of emotional trauma? still, he was avoiding her and taking care of her (which was 15 mins in the epi. but we can safely assume that a few days have passed by, if not a few days, 1 day), but he lost his cool when he heard the papita talk...

2 things i wanna stress here...plz dun think tht i'm trying to justify RK ...IMO had a lot to say in his defense but he was given lame dialogues and Madhu had a lot to say in her defense but she wasn't given any dialogues at all !

the first thing is that RK was being selfish..but for whom? for Madhu and himself...the film was a hit and he was watching the news channel tht it has collected 40 crores in the weekend , but he was not happy..why? bec. the adulation which MAdhu was getting changed her...we cannot deny tht he never wanted her to pursue acting...he always thought this will be her first and last film, Madhu also repeated the same dialogue again and again...this is what he told her after the party, that he doesn't want her to be an actress..

two, if the sequence of events are combined, what did Madhu do? she refused to promote the film for the baby n never cared for it... s he does the fire stunts (for which there is no justification bec. acc. to her, nothing was more important than her baby and RK was ready to change the scene)...then she turns up at the premier when the film is a hit ...she enjoys the adulation from the media ...a party is thrown for her and she enjoys being the center of attraction...late night premiers and partying is not stressful ??...nyways, RK is humiliated but she keeps quiet...MC gives the credit to her and she happily agrees..and then came the googly...she meets the producer , gets the script from him , gets a signing amount cheque and the same day the miscarriage happens..

RK wanted her to abort the baby and he said it loud and clear..but what did Madhu do in his opinion? in private she kept telling RK that she doesn't want to be a heroine, in front of others she said "she's only taking a break" , in front of him she said no to Mehta, and then she went to see him behind his back and get the 2 crores cheque ...how can he trust her in these circumstances?? now nobody can blame her for the child, she got the movie and she got RK's trust and sympathy also..

but the problem here is that RK thinks that Madhu is capable of such high level planning and chaalaki 😆 that was a joke in itself...

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ClosetRomantic

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Posted: 11 years ago

#43

Opti,

No, I don't think the unwedding had anything to do with Madhu getting involved with Sultan. It would have happened even before the unwedding if RK had been on an outdoor shoot and Madhu had gone to live with her mother just like that.

Madhu forgave RK for the unwedding because she was madly in love with him, just like RK keeps forgiving all of Madhu's idiocies because he is madly in love with her. Difference is that RK always apologises for his mistakes but Madhu never does. She never even acknowledges that she has made a mistake.

Doing the fire stunt had nothing to do with professionalism. It has all about her ego and wanting to teach RK a lesson for suggesting the abortion. If she had been professional she would have made the film her top priority since the beginning instead of throwing tantrums, keeping karvachauth, doing nivarans, and then totally abandoning the film once the shooting was over. Problem is that ever since the film started she behaved as if she had made a great sacrifice and never made RK feel that she is standing shoulder to shoulder with him for making a successful film together.

RK was honest about wanting to abort the baby. It was his career at stake here and it is within his rights to decide when he wants to be a father. However, he never forced Madhu to have an abortion. After her outright refusal, he took the risk of releasing the film within two weeks but didn't force the abortion on Madhu.

How does it matter that the doctor certified the baby was fine after the fire stunt? Does it change the fact that Madhu deliberately put the baby in danger? And that too despite RK wanting a body double to do the scene? I'm sorry but I can't buy the argument that her stupid decision ended up curing RK.

I agree that Madhu's stars are not to be blamed here but her utter dumbness. She has a tunnel vision through which she sees only what is right there in front of her nose but doesn't feel any undercurrents of emotions around her. She supports RK when he is banned but makes things difficult for him during the shoots with her immaturity. She pampers RK when she realises that he is paralysed but doesn't understand the insecurities that come with the paralysis for a man like RK. She tells RK that she will make soup for him after the shooting but when the shooting gets delayed, instead of telling the servants or Radhaji to make soup for RK, she comes back way past dinnertime and then proceeds to make the soup because that is her love for him. Never realising that it is not soup that RK wants but her constant reassurances that she is there for him even when she isn't at home.

When RK broke the glass at the party she started picking it up herself instead of letting the servant do it. That is the whole problem with her character. She doesn't realise that as the woman of the house her job is not to pick up the glass pieces but to understand why it broke in the first place. A wife understands every nuance, every small expression on her husband's face but Madhu understands nothing till it is not clearly spelt out to her.

And finally, RK is not Madhu's adversary. He loves Madhu more than she deserves to be loved. Yes, that's his mistake.

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Charu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi
@Subashni

You know I never have felt that CVs butchered RK or Madhu. The character of RK is strong, resilient and CVs are so much in love with it that, they end up putting it through a myriad of emotions, situations. This larger than life character has the strength in it to withstand everything that is thrown at it and still come out intact. RK is closest to the human nature, most falliable and hence most loved. At some point or the other all of us have been able to relate to him, though not necessarily always. He falls, rises, falls to rise up again like a phoenix. CVs always have found a way to restore him after having put him through the grind.
However they don't experiment at all with Madhu. She comes across as the most unnatural human character. No one can relate to her. She is like frozen in time, refusing to grow up, learn either to fall or to rise. It is like she is not willing to take any risks to either gain or lose anything.
The slate needs to be wiped clean of everything since the time they got married and hence I believe all this clunk introduced to get back to the real story they always wanted to tell.

Of course CVs as usual will trump my thinking within the next episode. 😆

true👏

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cardio21

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Posted: 11 years ago

#45

The slate is already being marked by a new chalk..

Again, my fear is not RK.. If he stays in his character, he would never look at any other woman..

But my problem is the CVs.. They will show us cringeworthy scenes of RK n the new shoulder.. And if they see that wave of sympathy is still not towards madhu, they will cross the line..

Because the CVs think that men having accidents in 'barsaat ki raat' is forgivable as per TRP audience... Which is not true in this case..

RK's junoon will be destroyed if the CVs go this dreaded path..

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leelaa9

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Posted: 11 years ago

#46

If Madhu does a film after leaving him - even with the supposed excuse that it wasn't her idea and that Bittuji and every other person of her acquaintance insisted she should and constantly mentioning her depression etc -, RK will be homefree, supported and condoned in mass-audience opinion no matter what he does, far more so than in the aftermath of Holi.
That had been in the aftermath of unwedding, and he had not even acknowledged remorse or his love for her.
But this time, he would be forgiven any and every line he crosses, even adultery. That is the backfiring point the consecutive tracks have inadvertently ensured.
The unwedding was not enough to get mass-sympathy for Madhu naively and unknowingly giving another man the idea that she was maritally available.
Her miscarriage - especially after the fire-stunt - will get her no sympathy if she does another film when the film that made her a star ensured that her bad advice benefitted her and the director at her husband's expense and downgraded him professionally.
The episode that was precap-shown as Madhu telling her paralyzed husband that the film should be totally changed to focus on her (rather than the lesser and understandable change of having the story changed to accommodate his handicap) got a 2.0 TRP, perhaps a nadir of an already mass-unpopular track.
And as for accepting Mehul's jokes about her husband with only an occassional glare and sometimes a cordial smile instead, the 'joke' excuse is disastrously inadequate for her mass-image.
If someone had cracked a 'joke' that Padmini was lucky to get a man like Shamsher who would sleep outside his own house and provide for her and her children without anything in return, and how many other women are so very lucky, would Madhu have not understood the exact derogatory disrespect of such a 'joke'?
'Jokes' that are about something the person is known to value perhaps most extremely can't be repeatedly shown as getting no adverse reaction from that person's loving spouse or progeny, not if mass-audience is not to hold that spouse or progeny in disapprobation.
And yet, for the convenience of this track, since they couldn't show her cutting off from Mehul harshly and promptly, she was shown blankly uncomprehending. A stark deja vu from the previous tracks.
RK's lack of sympathetic care for his wife after her miscarriage is unlikely to be considered without the backdrop of her lack of steadfast actual understanding and support for his trauma in the aftermath of his paralysis and persuading him to get sidelined out of his film and having it centre on her.
If she could convince him to let the story be changed totally to focus on her role for the remainder of the film, then she is unlikely to get mass-understanding for not having instead convinced him and the director to just change the story to have his handicap accommodated.
Madhu and Mehul had been shown insistent at frequent points in the track, but they were not insistent only when it came to preventing his convenient public humiliation so that they could then persuade him of the very not-obvious prudence of reducing himself from supporting actor to nonentity in the remainder of the film that *his* wealth was staked to make.
And RK's finally raising a hand against her but not slapping her is also not a new thing in the world of serials. Most of the other instances did not have the wife with a slapathon record on her own account.
While husbands are almost never shown actually slapping the wife, an extreme outraged feeling and upheaval gives leeway for at least one instance of a raised hand that does not complete the slap.
Here too, RK is covered, with the additional and very recent instance of her slapping him while he was paralyzed, with the rationale of her emotional outraged maternal protectiveness which was cast aside when she insisted on doing the fire-stunt the next day with less regard for the risk to her unborn child's life than for other considerations.
The wife will still get some sympathy for having lost the child, but not if she takes up a film that the pregnancy would have prevented her from doing, thereby translating the miscarriage as the very convenient hindrance-removing ploy it was.
One may worry for the depths the CVs may take things to in this track, simply because if Madhu does a film - even if she is just mentioned minus any actually shown film-shoots as did, is doing, has done a film/films - during their estrangement after the miscarriage, RK will get a degree of exonerative support from mass-audience that may be in excess of every manufactured gambit the CVs may try with the intent of at least temporarily inducing a possible support for the wife instead. And considering mass-audience has outlasted every track-gambit this series has tried for almost nine months, one wonders what it takes for the CVs to realize that they need to try less depressing and biased moves to ensure the continuation of their tracks.

Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago

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Kenno

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Posted: 11 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic

When RK broke the glass at the party she started picking it up herself instead of letting the servant do it. That is the whole problem with her character. She doesn't realise that as the woman of the house her job is not to pick up the glass pieces but to understand why it broke in the first place. A wife understands every nuance, every small expression on her husband's face but Madhu understands nothing till it is not clearly spelt out to her.

And finally, RK is not Madhu's adversary. He loves Madhu more than she deserves to be loved. Yes, that's his mistake.

@bold 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 awesome line that was

madhu never tried to understand the ego feelings of RK..instead she asks why RK why??

being an ex-lover,dipali get to know his inner part better than madhu 😆

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yogendra1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic
Opti,

No, I don't think the unwedding had anything to do with Madhu getting involved with Sultan. It would have happened even before the unwedding if RK had been on an outdoor shoot and Madhu had gone to live with her mother just like that.

Madhu forgave RK for the unwedding because she was madly in love with him, just like RK keeps forgiving all of Madhu's idiocies because he is madly in love with her. Difference is that RK always apologises for his mistakes but Madhu never does. She never even acknowledges that she has made a mistake.

Doing the fire stunt had nothing to do with professionalism. It has all about her ego and wanting to teach RK a lesson for suggesting the abortion. If she had been professional she would have made the film her top priority since the beginning instead of throwing tantrums, keeping karvachauth, doing nivarans, and then totally abandoning the film once the shooting was over. Problem is that ever since the film started she behaved as if she had made a great sacrifice and never made RK feel that she is standing shoulder to shoulder with him for making a successful film together.

RK was honest about wanting to abort the baby. It was his career at stake here and it is within his rights to decide when he wants to be a father. However, he never forced Madhu to have an abortion. After her outright refusal, he took the risk of releasing the film within two weeks but didn't force the abortion on Madhu.

How does it matter that the doctor certified the baby was fine after the fire stunt? Does it change the fact that Madhu deliberately put the baby in danger? And that too despite RK wanting a body double to do the scene? I'm sorry but I can't buy the argument that her stupid decision ended up curing RK.

I agree that Madhu's stars are not to be blamed here but her utter dumbness. She has a tunnel vision through which she sees only what is right there in front of her nose but doesn't feel any undercurrents of emotions around her. She supports RK when he is banned but makes things difficult for him during the shoots with her immaturity. She pampers RK when she realises that he is paralysed but doesn't understand the insecurities that come with the paralysis for a man like RK. She tells RK that she will make soup for him after the shooting but when the shooting gets delayed, instead of telling the servants or Radhaji to make soup for RK, she comes back way past dinnertime and then proceeds to make the soup because that is her love for him. Never realising that it is not soup that RK wants but her constant reassurances that she is there for him even when she isn't at home.

When RK broke the glass at the party she started picking it up herself instead of letting the servant do it. That is the whole problem with her character. She doesn't realise that as the woman of the house her job is not to pick up the glass pieces but to understand why it broke in the first place. A wife understands every nuance, every small expression on her husband's face but Madhu understands nothing till it is not clearly spelt out to her.

And finally, RK is not Madhu's adversary. He loves Madhu more than she deserves to be loved. Yes, that's his mistake.

@agree wid u I don't know how many will agree with it but I think Madhu is somehow similar to Radhaji, Just like Radhaji she also unwillingly or willingly does want to see the other person mental state I mean what he is thinking if the other person give a smile to her she will think he or she is happy she can't interpret anything by her ownself till the time the other person spill the bean that is her main problem and she never realize her mistake and I don't think in real life anyone like Madhu exit but in real life Many people like RK exist and so people connect to him easily than Madhu.

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anitarani

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Posted: 11 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: subashni

they showed MAdhu getting swayed and developing interest in stardom albeit unawares.it was what prevented her from correcting Mehul and co. it is left for interpretation.honestly they could go only this far given the restrictions of Indian soaps. We can't blame them. R.K sensed and observed it and he knows the lure of stardom. so he is not wrong entirely.except his stupid argument. But suspecting her to kill the child is way too much and never be justified. that is Nautanki's loud extreme drama.

@MM. I agree. I don't mind separation. I am willing to take this as R.K and Madhu story rather than RM story.RM is done. It would be interesting to watch 2 individuals if we take out so called epic love and its compulsions. My only complaint would be if R.K is projected as a bad unfair husband and Madhu a mahaanta wife who will rescue him again. if the story proceeds in such away both pay for their mistakes it is fine.for that we need clever story telling and no comments on that.. I am not sick of M's mistakes and holier than thou attitude but hate when every character white washes it.

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ClosetRomantic

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: yogendra1
@agree wid u I don't know how many will agree with it but I think Madhu is somehow similar to Radhaji, Just like Radhaji she also unwillingly or willingly does want to see the other person mental state I mean what he is thinking if the other person give a smile to her she will think he or she is happy she can't interpret anything by her ownself till the time the other person spill the bean that is her main problem and she never realize her mistake and I don't think in real life anyone like Madhu exit but in real life Many people like RK exist and so people connect to him easily than Madhu.

Very true. In fact I can imagine what kind of mother Madhu would make. One who would stay awake the whole night when her child has fever and who would pamper him everytime he gets injured. But if he was bullied at school, she would not realise that he has come back home looking dejected. And he would be too embarrassed to tell her on his own. So he would keep getting bullied all the time with Madhu thinking that all is well in her world.

She would get praises from all for being a great mother but only her son will know in his heart of hearts the pain he is living with. But he will still keep loving her. Just like RK keeps loving her despite being emotionally unsatisfied with their marriage.

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