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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: nafisa_kazi

by Nafisa Kazi :

RK's reaction of anger and hurt and that his emotions were played around with by Madhu in the name of revenge will be the foremost on his mind...the realization and remorse are not his traits...

and Madhu being Madhu, all giving, is even willing to go to the extent of seeking and pleading forgiveness from him rather than asserting to him that it was he who had induced or compelled her into such an act...had he left her to herself after jilting her and not forcefully kidnapped her, would such a thought even crossed her mind...no I don't think so...

Per se my intuitions, I would say the entire build up about RK's reaction and Madhu's desperate attempts to set things all right minus the emotional drama (which I realize are the staple for raking in trps) was congruent to the story and relevant to RK and Madhu's characteristic traits...

as for my sentiments after watching today's emotional havoc, " is it the man's prerogative to be forgiven and woman's to be punished for their misdemeanors"...



Beautiful post. And so on point. I particularly liked the bold bits.
I can't help but be relieved at how consistently the characters are being written.
RK's reaction. "Me me me." Check.
Madhu's pleading. "I'm sorry, please please." Check.

RK is incapable of growth. That much has been made obvious. And yes, Madhu dances to RK's every whim. And what is so scary about this track is that there is no one from Madhu's side to witness it. Sultan hasn't witnessed enough of RK and Madhu, doesn't know the inner-workings of their relationship well enough to know how wrong all of this is.

Someone in another thread pointed out how normally RK goes driving when he's pissed. But this time he chose to lock himself in the house. Why? So Madhu could witness his pain and he could manipulate her with it. Like others have said, the scene isn't finsihed. And it won't be until RK has induced Madhu into abandoning even the last smidgen of her identity.

I don't know if this is a gendered thing though. I don't think its been written as 'well women do this and men do that'. Although there is an element of that I guess. But their reactions seem character based rather than gendered. I hope that makes sense.
Edited by Charishma - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#12
HOW TRUE
RK DOESNT EVEN CONSIDER WHAT HE DID WRONG AND NOT A SINGLE SORRY
BUT GUILT TRIP DE DO MADHU KO, WHY SHE EVEN THOUGHT OF TAKING REVENGE FROM THE GREAT RK
ONLY RK HAS THE RIGHT TO GET HURT AND FEEL BETRAYED - FOR MADHU IT WAS A WALK IN THE PARK😆

ALSO RK IGNORED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION WHERE MADHU TELLS SULTAN THAT SHE CANT GO AHEAD WITH THE REVENGE AS SHE LOVES RK AND WANTS TO SEE HIM HAPPY

DEKHA JAYE TO MADHU KI FEELINGS HAVE NO IMPORTANCE FOR RK - IT IS ONLY ABOUT HIS FEELINGS, HIS ANGER, HIS HURT, HIS FRUSTRATION

BUT I DONT WANT A SAD, ANGRY, REVENGE WEDDING WHERE MADHU WILL ALWAYS BE A MARTYR AND A DOOMAT REPENTING FOR WHAT SHE ALMOST DID
AND RK BEING A MAN GETS AWAY WITH WHAT HE DID

ISSE ACHACHA SHAADI NA KARE
WANT THEM TO MARRY ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH LOTS OF LOVE AND LAUGHTER

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: nafisa_kazi

" is it the man's prerogative to be forgiven and woman's to be punished for their misdemeanors"...



Well, that is what this serial seems to propagate and advertize, esp. even when she is in the right, or partially right or hers was only a misdemeanor or act of kindness while he, as a man can get away even with murder, without even a "sorry' escaping his lips.

And here r women, supporting and crying for that man's "pain", while a woman grovels at his feet, while they drooled over the man and enjoyed with bated breath while he shackled a woman to his furniture against her will.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: shyams

It's not just about Madhu. Almost all indian show female lead tend to be maahan and aren't suppose to have any ego 🤔



Not having ego doesn't mean you become a door mat for anyone esp the man you love to wipe his feet on! Lack of ego does not mean you should have lack of self respect!! If you respect someone...then you should respect the same way for yourself too...THAT is not ego.

The more i see indian shows and the mentality here..the more i am coming to the conclusion that the majority just do not get it that in todays episode if madhu had self respect...EVEN THOOUGH she loves rk...she should have stood tall...and said...I thought it I didn't do it...and I would not have EVEN thought of it, if you had left me alone and not kidnapped me and tied me up in your house. rk I love you and i wanna marry you. I understand you feel bad but you better see YOUR part in what forced me to think this way.

Instead we have her begging him to take her back and asking for forgivness. ah well...in indian parley that is being mahan I guess.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Charishma



Beautiful post. And so on point. I particularly liked the bold bits.
I can't help but be relieved at how consistently the characters are being written.
RK's reaction. "Me me me." Check.
Madhu's pleading. "I'm sorry, please please." Check.

RK is incapable of growth. That much has been made obvious. And yes, Madhu dances to RK's every whim. And what is so scary about this track is that there is no one from Madhu's side to witness it. Sultan hasn't witnessed enough of RK and Madhu, doesn't know the inner-workings of their relationship well enough to know how wrong all of this is.

Someone in another thread pointed out how normally RK goes driving when he's pissed. But this time he chose to lock himself in the house. Why? So Madhu could witness his pain and he could manipulate her with it. Like others have said, the scene isn't finsihed. And it won't be until RK has induced Madhu into abandoning even the last smidgen of her identity.

I don't know if this is a gendered thing though. I don't think its been written as 'well women do this and men do that'. Although there is an element of that I guess. But their reactions seem character based rather than gendered. I hope that makes sense.


What you say is BANG ON!!
Its about emotional manipulation. Further notice how hearing the exchange between sultan and madhu...the shot goes to rk's eyes...now VIVIAN IS A SUPERB ACTOR he is more than capable of showing a whole stream of emotions with his face and thru his eyes. So...

Why don't we see hurt or pain or anger? Lets say he is shocked...so why don't we see shock??? Why do we see a predator watching...calculating...evaluating? Waiting...ts only when madhu sees him...THAT is the "Action" call for rk...the acting begins!! And the more distressed madhu gets them more drama he does!

Contrast that with the reaction Sultan showed yesterday...on his face, in his eyes the moment he hears from madhu that she loves rk and is going to marry him for real.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: punam2712

HOW TRUE

RK DOESNT EVEN CONSIDER WHAT HE DID WRONG AND NOT A SINGLE SORRY
BUT GUILT TRIP DE DO MADHU KO, WHY SHE EVEN THOUGHT OF TAKING REVENGE FROM THE GREAT RK
ONLY RK HAS THE RIGHT TO GET HURT AND FEEL BETRAYED - FOR MADHU IT WAS A WALK IN THE PARK😆

ALSO RK IGNORED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION WHERE MADHU TELLS SULTAN THAT SHE CANT GO AHEAD WITH THE REVENGE AS SHE LOVES RK AND WANTS TO SEE HIM HAPPY

DEKHA JAYE TO MADHU KI FEELINGS HAVE NO IMPORTANCE FOR RK - IT IS ONLY ABOUT HIS FEELINGS, HIS ANGER, HIS HURT, HIS FRUSTRATION

BUT I DONT WANT A SAD, ANGRY, REVENGE WEDDING WHERE MADHU WILL ALWAYS BE A MARTYR AND A DOOMAT REPENTING FOR WHAT SHE ALMOST DID
AND RK BEING A MAN GETS AWAY WITH WHAT HE DID

ISSE ACHACHA SHAADI NA KARE
WANT THEM TO MARRY ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH LOTS OF LOVE AND LAUGHTER



Lets say in tomorrows episode or the next few...rk and madhu agree to put the past behind them and make a fresh start...do you really think seeing how rk has behaved today, that he is capable of putting madhu's feeling on par with his ever? Nope he is isn't. It is always about him first and him only. As for that monstrosity he constructed single handedly for the suhaag raat...just for madhu...yeah it sure had madhu's taste and sense of style in mind right? Or was it stamped with rk's style? hmmm?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Oh_No_Soaps


What you say is BANG ON!!
Its about emotional manipulation. Further notice how hearing the exchange between sultan and madhu...the shot goes to rk's eyes...now VIVIAN IS A SUPERB ACTOR he is more than capable of showing a whole stream of emotions with his face and thru his eyes. So...

Why don't we see hurt or pain or anger? Lets say he is shocked...so why don't we see shock??? Why do we see a predator watching...calculating...evaluating? Waiting...ts only when madhu sees him...THAT is the "Action" call for rk...the acting begins!! And the more distressed madhu gets them more drama he does!

Contrast that with the reaction Sultan showed yesterday...on his face, in his eyes the moment he hears from madhu that she loves rk and is going to marry him for real.




Exactly. I love the italicized bit best. You're so observant. I have a feeling that suhag raat spoiler might be right. Either (1) RK and Madhu have sex before marriage and then he dumps her, or (2) They get married and he makes her life hell like never before. Either way, Madhu is going to have a rude awakening.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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wow...such a beautiful n unbiased post...thnx for summing it up so beautifully n aptly that i really dont hv nything more to add...wus really appreciate if u analysed sultans scns too as fan of both grps read ur post
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Excellent post Nafisa!! Love it.. Just would like to put in my 2 cents.. I hate male prerogatives.. I think here its more about personalities..

About Madhu's reaction.. She apologized multiple times not because she is a woman.. But it's her character.. She is insanely in love wth RK.. She suddenly sees RK in pain that too because of her! So her first reaction was a sudden guilt and pain because she is the reason behind his agony n despair.
Its not because she is a female.. She is totally in character here, where she feels his pain rather than being defensive.
Imagine, Dipali or Trishna at her place. They don't seem to be apologetic types. Was dips apologeticm, when Sikki caught her hugging RK.. Dipali is outright evil, while Trishna gets defensive.. The only reason I dragged the two was to prove tat it's Madhu's personality and inability to stand RK's or just anybody's pain that is making her apologize, not her being a woman.



About RK's reaction!! He just got the shock of his life.. He can't rationalize it right away. He is hurt, and we know he is emotionally weak. He is totally shattered. How is a shattered man expected to behave?? The first response is self pity, accusation, anger.. If he would have rationalized this in view of his past deeds, I would have been surprised and suspicious. We see a vulnerable RK, who anyways had trust issues. My post yesterday clearly stated that I m happy that RK was hurt! Because he needed this dose! But expecting him to start justifying Madhu's action immediately goes against any normal human reaction. And here we are talking about RK.. He has his flaws.. We never said he is angel! Yes, I have always insisted that he is a right man for a right girl. And Madhu is that right girl.

RK has a tough time forgiving people he holds close to his heart. His mom n Madhu are at the receiving end of lot of BS from him. Why? It's because he loves them in his unique way. It's not justified but this is how it is.. There are many people (both men n women) who give lot of flak to their moms n significant others because they know these two will deal with their tantrums..


In fact Kudos to the writers, who didnt show a hero all forgiving n dreamy just to justify their love story.. This is RK n Madhu love story! They have their own flaws. They have totally different personalities, but some similar traits..

Every couple married or in a long term relationship have their beautiful n sad moments.. Similarly, these two crazies will have their happy n sad moments. Yes, RK's insecurity, his ego, will be a cause of lot of their misery. But that is not because RK is a male or Madhu is a female. And that does not make RK undeserving of her love. Because he is capable of loving her, and loves her insanely..

Imagine, a girl who has feelings fr RK, and Madhu just dislikes her because she knows that she likes him. (It can't be Dipali as RK hates her guts, and Madhu knows how RK feels for her)
Madhu sees RK with this girl in his bedroom, and RK is talking about her n Madhu's equation with her in a similar pose (like Madhu n Gangu).. Don't u think Madhu will be upset?
Will we call it a female prerogative? No!!

I don't know what CVs plan to show, but RK takes a long time to forgive people close to him. Like it took him years to forgive his mom for what? Marrying a wrong guy? She was not wrong totally!
And here he was the one who brought Madhu to this extent that she was going to take revenge, but it will take a whie for him to understand.. And once he does, he will forgive er!

But his pain is also because the image of 'his' Madhu is tarnished.. So let's give them some time.. Madhu once she gets out of her guilt, will try to show him the reality; and once he comes out of his pain, anger, despair, etc.. He will try to see the reality.. But not so soon.. Because they need drama!

It's not a male prerogative to be forgiven.. It's about personalities.. I personally apologize on the drop of a hat.. It's so bad, that at one point in the middle of a fight I was asked that why do I apologize so much.😆 And just ended the fight with us laughing our hearts out..
it's about personalities.. I have a female friend who just can't apologize.. The way she says sorry to me or her husband is hilarious. When she is wrong, all she says is "do u now want me to apologize?" That too in an arrogant tone.. Makes us even more angry.. But this is her.. Can't help it..

Let's see how this will unfolds. As long as they are happy, I m okay with their everyday drama..

Again! I always love ur posts.. They are awesome.. And this one is no different.. 👏
Edited by cardio21 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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great post 😃
I dont understand why was she apologizing so much to him when he heard all the conversation between her and sultan, only thing in the scene was left for her to kiss his feet. I dont like cvs showing women in this light - " love is not EVERYTHING in your life" madhu is still young, she can think.about her future; her career; her family -- gosh there are so many important things in life!
All she thinks is RK; this love is almost driving her insane is it worth it when rk doesn't even listen to her begging apology 🥱
I don't know what make cvs think that whatever men does it alright cause " they are the higher intellectual" women should only cry and beg for mercy🥱
Edited by Merry_Shwit - 12 years ago

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