Episode 210 Discussion: 4th March 2013 - Page 6

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Chalo welcome to reality after being in dreams or should i say drunk from last two-three epi's CV's slap reality on our faces chalo happy to back but don't know what to expect next as girl iam really disturbed and neither precap help me to calm down.


RK is character beyond my reach its long back that i tried to make sense of his behaviour. The day his heart will ovepower his ego then only he can get back Madhu or at least realise his feelings for her.

Iam not really impressed with Radhaji's speech nor i find Bittuji making any sense. For once i want Radhaji and Bittuji should considerate about Madhu's situation or at least find out Is Madhu really want to come back to RK with her sane mind. They are day dreaming about Rishabala's reunion and their efforts are also not working as such.


Just want to say if somebody lech Madhu just because she is beautiful it could have different case alltogether. But somebody lech her not only because she is beautiful but also with sick mentality that they can get her easily as she has been thrown by her husband and that pained her more. Don't want to write more abt it because its harsh reality and my heart is sinking with the mere thought abt it.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nothing much besides build up and leching. I think it okay for them to show realistic labeling and leching that goes on in India. It is much better than cheesy women's rights lectures. But they must realize that they are sending a dual message with the way RK has treated Madhu and trying to paint the goons and leches in bad light while painting RK as the protaganist even if he is the grey one.
Few thing caught my attention RK was subconsciously claiming to everyone that "HE CAN TAKE CARE OF HIS BIWI" which again goes to support our control theory that he let go of Madhu because he felt he couldnt hold on to her forever. Thus he speeded up his revenge because he felt he didnt deserve her because of his guilt trip of the Balraj case. Does he really feel he can take care of his biwi. We will further see reaffirmation of this this week once he realizes that letch was after Madhu because he now thought of her as disposable material that everyone can "USE AND THROW" because of what RK himself did to her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pnars

Agree with Shri, "hangover" types episode. Nothing entertaining - a lecture or two, one threat to kill, one to keep a bomb in the mouth, a whine from a petulant mom (or two!), a sexual harrasment event - a lengthy list of reality checks against the dream-like romance of the last two epis. The CVs brought all us back to the real world with a rude thud.


Whatever they think in their inner hearts and minds, the reality is that RK is a superstar living in a rarified a/c world, while Madhu is a common hairdresser wedged in a bus with the hoi polloi and eating dhal from the buffet in the bondoocks. She has to tolerate lowlifes letching on her to boot - a fact that millions of girls like her have to face day in and day out.

It was not entertaining, but it was realistic. This (and much worse) is the dirty underbelly of the glam world.

Even the colours of the epi were harsh - the oranges and burnt hues of the sun-drenched day versus the cool blues of the drunken night.

We are transitioning to the next track. Is Sultan the owner of the six fingered hand?

[My fantasy today was what if RK suddenly turned up when the fellow was harrassing Madhu in the buffet line? Would have beaten him up to a pulp, I think!]


Excellent review.

That was the feeling I was stuck with...for Madhu. And through Madhu I was feeling for the other girls on the outdoor shoot as well...like Bhavika, Chavvi etc.

Underbelly of the glam world. Its tough world out there.

In olden days there was thin line for the pimp role...the pimp who got the girls with junior artist roles in movies and **** don't even want to type.

Don't know why Govinda was saying that after his father had his maiden production flop, they sold their house in Mumbai posh locality and had to shift to Virar...seemed like pretty bad shape for them to be in...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_


awesome review Zoya 👏 completely agree with the Radha & Bittuji part..

n RK, he needs to do all of that but does he care? we'll again come back to the same question as to why Madhu put herself in the line of fire 😳 day to day conflict n that too being witnessed by the staff, their associates, snakeali , so on and so forth, roz roz ka tamasha 🤢


Charu, I think he does care... From past experience, I can say that he does not like his family to be in the media glare and be a pawn to their sensationalism... He came out in the open and cleared the Malik issue, and he took care of the media during Pads-malik marriage when Kukku was telling that the people are talking lowly about their marriage...

As far as Madhu's image in the media is concerned, he tainted her as his laila... But soon after, he married her..thus her dignity and respect was restored in the public eye...
Similarly, he humiliated her in the party, the very next day she comes out of the studio in his arms, yet again witnessed by the public...
Everytime her image fell, it got resurrected thro' him only...
After the break-up, when she was hounded by the media, Madhu tackled it very maturely and in a dignified manner... He saw that and was satisfied...
he told Dipzy that "nafrat karna, badla lena aur beizzat karna sirf mera haq hai"--- Do you think if he comes to know that she is being called a "chodi hui" or the fact that she is being disrespected, he would sit quietly?... Am expecting him to do sth... But let's see what CV's have in mind... with the entry of Sultan, i don't know if they would tackle this issue...
This incident might just be a one-off , prolly the build-up for Sultan's entry and the CV's might not use it for RK-madhu equation for all we know... Chalo dekhte hain...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

Nothing much besides build up and leching. I think it okay for them to show realistic labeling and leching that goes on in India. It is much better than cheesy women's rights lectures. But they must realize that they are sending a dual message with the way RK has treated Madhu and trying to paint the goons and leches in bad light while painting RK as the protaganist even if he is the grey one.

Few thing caught my attention RK was subconsciously claiming to everyone that "HE CAN TAKE CARE OF HIS BIWI" which again goes to support our control theory that he let go of Madhu because he felt he couldnt hold on to her forever. Thus he speeded up his revenge because he felt he didnt deserve her because of his guilt trip of the Balraj case. Does he really feel he can take care of his biwi. We will further see reaffirmation of this this week once he realizes that letch was after Madhu because he now thought of her as disposable material that everyone can "USE AND THROW" because of what RK himself did to her.

Sona,
I agree with you.
@bold1: They are pushing RK beyond the point of a confused character. There should be a limit to it yaar. Like RK is caught in the web he spun around Madhu, I feel CVs are caught in the web they spun around RKs character. Do they have any clarity as to how they want to portray him? 🤢 I understand a new entry might be a plot requirement blah blah blah. I am neutral on it so far. But I would have liked it better if RKs realization and guilt would have come from within. Not as a consequence of some extraneous factors.
@bold2: Disgusting. 🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


Charu, I think he does care... From past experience, I can say that he does not like his family to be in the media glare and be a pawn to their sensationalism... He came out in the open and cleared the Malik issue, and he took care of the media during Pads-malik marriage when Kukku was telling that the people are talking lowly about their marriage...

As far as Madhu's image in the media is concerned, he tainted her as his laila... But soon after, he married her..thus her dignity and respect was restored in the public eye...
Similarly, he humiliated her in the party, the very next day she comes out of the studio in his arms, yet again witnessed by the public...
Everytime her image fell, it got resurrected thro' him only...
After the break-up, when she was hounded by the media, Madhu tackled it very maturely and in a dignified manner... He saw that and was satisfied...
he told Dipzy that "nafrat karna, badla lena aur beizzat karna sirf mera haq hai"--- Do you think if he comes to know that she is being called a "chodi hui" or the fact that she is being disrespected, he would sit quietly?... Am expecting him to do sth... But let's see what CV's have in mind... with the entry of Sultan, i don't know if they would tackle this issue...
This incident might just be a one-off , prolly the build-up for Sultan's entry and the CV's might not use it for RK-madhu equation for all we know... Chalo dekhte hain...

Zoya,
I agree. He does care. And previously he has done damage control for her, even though he was the one putting her image in jeopardy. But this time, does it really matter? What can he do? He will say , ' no she is not chhodi hui', when he himself ANNOUNCED that 'he left her after six months, like sombody throws away a toy after being dissatisfied with it'?
The only need is, for him to realize the gravity of his deeds, as to how they will impact Madhu's image. I don't think his reaction to sort the mess would really matter at this point of the story. It would be much better if Madhu is shown dealing with the lustful eyes and societal taunts on her own.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

It was an interesting episode..Disgusting ...but lo... we all need to wake up and smell the coffee...


Madhubala Malik needs to come of age and mature to survive in the jungle... She has had a very rosy life till she took panga with the superstar...A few lows for a short duration, but even with RK she has had a very smooth ride..
She needs to face and understand the harsh realities of life, see and understand people(esp in the industry) the way they are and not thro' her rose tinted glasses and most importantly learn to tackle them sensibly, intelligently...In short, she should become her own hero in this world...
Even if she was RK's wife the man would have ogled at her.. only that may be he would not have had the courage to come up and talk like that... She is beautiful and if she has to work in the industry, she needs to put up with creeps like this and deal with them...

RK: Love or no love... let him accept or not accept... The man needs to take responsibility for his actions... He needs to be careful of Madhu's image that gets painted in the society for the acts he does... He doesn't give a damn about his image...That's upto him...But he should understand the mess that he creates for Madhu, how she would be perceived by the society and the repercussions of his actions...

Radhaji I was disappointed with her.. Radhaji who has always acted as a moral police for RK failed to do so today... She should have told him that whatever happened should not have happened... How would Madhu be answerable to her mom? Bittuji lied to her mom and so should she live the lie for her mom and in case it comes out in front of people, then what?


Totally agree with you Zoya. Every word.

I did not write earlier on, so I am going to add this portion as my exposite on the actual hangover feeling.

It was really the hangover feel, with that dull headache and which keeps increasing as you start moving your facial muscles and add to that ignominy that you feel for yourself as you recollect events of the drunken glee. The glee turns into a mess.

And both RK and Madhu were in fearful state, reminding themselves about events that tell them about facts of how come they have a sleepover together. Each is worried about their own mistake committed in the folly and keep remembering that. Atleast that much they are on same bandwidth and same wavelength. Each of them have not digged further into their memories in fear of what they might see. Well we know, there were only good memories. Both behaved like as of they sinned by eating the Apple of the Garden of the Eden...or mildly put guilty pleasures...which they vehemently do not want to take it mild.

Madhu did not surprise me in her fear, RK in his reticence and quiet to his mother, listening to her surprised me. He could yell at Bittuji, but could not sat anything to his mother except for snatching the meds as she was rubbing his folly onto his face. And when in studio, Bittuji rubbed his folly again on his face, he was quiet. What surprised me was not his silence, but the anger mixed with his acceptance of what he had done, and that he was so scared of what he did. It was like he could not believe himself capable of that...as if a new man is now inside him and he doesn't even know about it. This pensive thinking was so apt today. Finally I got to see how they painted VD's portrait there...it was this same pose.


Adding Supercool's thoughts on the juxtaposition of that RKesque, the grandeur of RK versus the Human, the flawed Rishabh Kundra and also her thoughts of what Madhu feels.

Originally posted by: supercool3


The last shot of that scene was quite interesting. We see RK sitting on his bed, and in the background there was also focus on that painting in his room. Just a few moments earlier Radhaji had even hinted about the difference between RK and Rishabh.
The way that last frame was shot, it looked like Rishabh was coming out of the persona known as RK. And slowly, the idea of RK was being sent away.
I think that was discussed last week, and even Shri mentioned it too. About how Madhu and Rishabh were moving away from that image of RK.

On the other side, Madhu looks so confused about what happened. And she seems petrified as well 😆 I really want to know what's running in her head, but first she needs to sort it out.


The introduction of the creep...does it have a purpose or not in the episode. But, the fact that they showed, made the episode real for me. How many times as woman, we have to be careful when we take those overnight buses for inter-state travel, as we protect ourselves from prowling eyes and also protecting ourselves even when we fall asleep. But I actually did not like that of all the days, Madhu had to have that bad experience now. Because somehow those comments should already have started falling in her ears. To think of, working at the same studio where RK was had added that insulation to her. Now the real repercussions of the Chawl drama by RK are in effect. Question is when will RK know that what he wanted things to happen for Madhu are now actually going to hurt him bad ??? In his vengeful state, he was well aware Madhu would have to face those comments, but now, how can he really bear to hear all this ? I guess that's why CVs are showing it now...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pnars

While devising his elaborate revenge plan, RK did not of course, factor in the possibility that he will end up loving Madhu. As a second issue, he's also not factored in the treatment Madhu will endure from society as his cast-off. He thinks she goes home and cosily snuggles to mommy and is safe. How will he react when he finds out what she's going through? How will it touch his conscience? I am very interested in that.



I am 100 % sure RK would have known how people would have treated Madhu after he left her. Isn't that the same reason he branded her as RK ki Laila. Even the thing Cast-off by RK will have a permanent mark on her. That's why it is a calculated and factored in step.

What he did not factor definitely is how HE would react to society's comments on Madhu. They may focus on this in coming days. Even if the CVs do not plan on this, they have plenty of fodder to dwell on this topic.

But before he can dwell, the CVs also need to toughen up Madhu by herself and not to be dependent on male figures to protect herself. The ordinary "maamooli" girl should know how to protect/shield herself against the prowling eyes, molesters and perpetrators of all kinds.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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superb post supercool 👏👏👏

i'd say that Madhu was not targeted bec. she's somebody's ex, it's got to do with the mentality of men who believe that women are nothing but a piece of flesh 🤢 and it's got to do with the sick thinking of this society who believe that a woman is safe ONLY in the shadow of a man..be it her father or brother or husband or son...the law makers are the law breakers here...the problem is universal, it's not about Madhu only...why blame one RK ?



Totally agree.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_


@MM, if women go by the society rules and what society says or think, we'll probably go back in the Dark ages..through a serial if they are highlighting this pitfall in society's thinking, they must do it in a progressive way rather than regressive and some guy leching on Madhu has nothing to do with her being somebody's ex wife , don't you think so?..every girl walking on the road is somebody's daughter, wife or mother and all are easy preys ...haan her ex wife status cud have prevented some random guy to make advances towards her but it didn't happen..so yes, it's unfortunate ..


I agree with Charu.

Though I have to remind us that beautiful epithets like "chodi hui" [cast-off] are given only to strong women, who might have refused or rejected the advances of creeps like that man.
  • The rejection deflates the creep's ego, so he inflates his ego by slandering or demeaning the women to make himself feel better than her.
  • Sometimes, he also boosts his sagging ego/adrenaline rush by reminding himself that the women is weak (that's why could be cast-off) and so he can pump up courage into his blood and go for her.

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