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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: apolloartemis

A lot of people are annoyed by Madhu's inconsistency and DD"s muddled portrayal of her. I can't comment on the actress, this is the first time I've seen her and she seems to be doing a great job, but like I said, no point of comparision. That said, I'm not surprised the CV"s are going back and forth on her character- if's she mature all the time, or chirpy all the time, then its a very flat, or one note character. I haven't seen Geet, but from what I've read she seems a bubbly young woman. But I always chalk up Madhu's out of character moments to her not knowing how to act around RK. She's a young woman in the throes of first love...I can't imagine her being mature and level headed the entire time. That, and shes a chaudrahin- her emotions, her ego, will almost always get the better of her.

She's the Cv"s pivot point- I've accepted the fact that she will do things that will move the plot forward because she is the catalyst for the most part. Also, I think Madhu's character is constantly evolving, going back and forth. She will take steps back on her relationship with RK. That's drama. That's life.😛
I remember in the promos, it was all about her being a simple, gorgeous girl who gets pulled into the film world- it's not her dream, it's RK's and it becomes her life. So there is an element of coersion in the entire situation, which doesn't gell with where they are now. I remember thinking during the Rishbala scenes of the week "why the heck would she be forced to go into the film industry? Why would RK make her?" Because he does make her. In the promo, he tells her "Look at this camera-this is your world now. Forget everything else." That's an order. That's coersion.
So, much as I love the lovey-dovey Rishbala, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing Madhu and RK's relationship changing in ways we never envisoned, becasue the story has really just started.😊


Nicely said.. I agree .. Lots of us, including myself got carried away with Madhu' act yesterday..😆😆. And you are right, she does act differently when she is around RK..Wow Madhu entering film industry is to fulfill RK's dream.. Does it mean she will go any length to win RK's heart? And this separation track will it give a reality check to Madhu. Even though how much she loves her family , but the main priority in her life will be RK only.. So the best thing for her is just to distance herself from her family.. Padmini will be always there to support madhu but the question is Roma. Trishna and Malik?????😕😕

DD is a wonderful actress and I really like her.. Both VD and DD are doing a fabulous job..



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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _sasi_

Hi shridevi..i'm always a silent reader to ur posts but after reading the discussion here..i just want to say i agree with u abt madhu's char and want to say few more things..😊

cv's failed to give particular charcterisation of madhu like RK,trishna ..I always complained to makers on twitter about this from the 2nd month of the show ..Before the show started Gautam Hedge said in an interview that they did lot of Home work for RK's char .after cng the show i understood it clearly what GH said but then they failed to do the same for madhu.
Do any one really know What is Madhu's char exactly?😕is she a matured girl ? or bubbly girl (like geet coz in the 4th epi itself after madhu's entry they showed madhu acting chirpy with ppl who came to see Trishna)? or kinda bubbly girl with some maturity? any one khow how she reacts to particular scenes??😕 i mean we all thought madhu will revolt to mukku's aayi when aayi talked shit abt padmini but she DIDNT ..majority thought madhu will not use pics given by sikki to get back to RK but she DID ..i mean viewers r never able to predict madhu's actions like they did with RK coz no one know what her character exactly IS coz Makers never cared to show or atleast brief it to viewers😔
When makers themselves r not sure what madhu is then i'm sure DD must be finding it hard to understand her character and get in to the character..no wonder DD always talks abt RK more than her char in sbs/sbb seg..😆I just hope Director and CV's kindly concentrate on Madhu's char atleast now and give some description to her instead of confusing us like this.😆
btw i cant write as good as u guys..so ignore my grammar mistakes pls😛😆


Sasi,

You have validated what I thought myself. That's what I felt too. See this is what I wrote yesterday.

>>Now as I write all of this...I am tempted to blame the story writers. Seems they could not agree on what sort of character should be Madhu. And they might have left it purposefully unresolved so that they can change her character per the need of story...as RK is supposed to chart her destiny. In the story snapshot too...she is called mesmerizingly beautiful and nothing else ..

And now I am happily going to think of RK as Pygmalion and Madhu as Galatea. Problem solved. We will then have Madhu always doing things what others have asked her to do, then obstinately maintain before RK that she will do it regardless of what he thinks and finally succumb to RK's way of doing things when he will provide a choice that's difficult to ignore and she has to keep her obstinacy aside. When Madhu will feel hurt, RK will show his softer side, which Madhu will get attracted to. And that's that to their love story. Madhu's ishq for her Pygmalion and RK's junoon for his Galatea.

Madhu - Kaisa yeh ishq, kaisa yeh junoon...Tu hi mera kaazi, Tu hi mera maula (Pygmalion)
RK - Tera Ishq hi mera junoon (Galatea...my creation)

Ha Ha!!!! We finally are now close to Madhu's charcater understanding. And like Zoya reminded us, now we know why earlier the show was almost named "Katputli" Galatea ...the sculpted piece of Pygmalion


Originally posted by: apolloartemis

She's the Cv"s pivot point- I've accepted the fact that she will do things that will move the plot forward because she is the catalyst for the most part. Also, I think Madhu's character is constantly evolving, going back and forth. She will take steps back on her relationship with RK. That's drama. That's life.😛
I remember in the promos, it was all about her being a simple, gorgeous girl who gets pulled into the film world- it's not her dream, it's RK's and it becomes her life. So there is an element of coersion in the entire situation, which doesn't gell with where they are now. I remember thinking during the Rishbala scenes of the week "why the heck would she be forced to go into the film industry? Why would RK make her?" Because he does make her. In the promo, he tells her "Look at this camera-this is your world now. Forget everything else." That's an order. That's coersion.
So, much as I love the lovey-dovey Rishbala, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing Madhu and RK's relationship changing in ways we never envisoned, becasue the story has really just started.😊


AA,

Agree. I too have always felt. She is the pivot point. This is where her Katputli image breaks down in the way we think about. She becomes a katputli in the hands of the world and then RK and ending up becoming his, more so beyond the point of return until RK would decide to release her. She repeatedly gets influenced by other external factors who sort of help her becoming the catalyst, causing explosive reaction from RK to which she tries to stand up, but fails, gets hurt and ends up understanding his point. Roothi hoon main phir bhi Raazi...that's what she says of him. Tere Ishq mein jagoon paagal.

So I guess, her becoming an actress is going to be RK's answer to Madhu's catalyctic response elicited out of him. She does something and he makes her into an actress just the way he made her his Biwi, in answering her actions. In short Madhu is the bridge for he rest of the world to reach out to RK...the begaana .."Duniya se Hum Hai Begaane"


And here's what is updated on Page 1...just to explain...the objective behind the thread for the benefit of readers.
Analysis -
Madhu's Actions today and characater sketch that comes up from story, viewer and CV's perspective
Page 6 -Apolloartemis
Page 7 - Munni
Page 9 - Himbin (Hima)
Page 11 - SD
Page 12 - Zoya, himbin, SD
Page 13 - Saundarya
Page 15 - Sasi and Apolloartemis
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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OH. MY. GOD!!!! 😲 I am so sorry!!! The earlier comment I made was influenced by what I read here in the thread about the episode...😳 Sorrryy, Madhu.. I judged you harshly... 😕 Silly me!!!

I just finised watching the episode... and I concentrated more on Madhu... As I had called her dim-wit.. so I needed to see for myself.

And I am completely shocked.. Madhu was just being her... rest of you have described Madhu perfectly!! Completely agree with you all.. she is like a clay who can be molded into anything one wants... And I loveeeddd her saree... :😆 She was looking prettier in this one rather than in her green saree. She cannot say "NO" to anyone... that is why she agreed to Dipz and Radhaji... Oh, Dipz blackmailed her into wearing her saree.. Poor girl had no choice there...

Well, well... coming to her confrontation with RK... Oh my , my.. before I go about describing the scene... one thing caught my attention... RK's larger-than-life black-n-white photo in the passage they were standing... WWWOOOWWW!! *fans myself* That is jussttt oh-so-haaawwwttt!!!

Okay back to the scene... another refreshing thing was our old RK was backkk!! that sarcastic quips and those throwing daggers-eyes... That itself could kill a person... Madhu had guts to stand-up against him... with him in that mean-cold-avatar... He could just make you into ice-statues with that look...

SD... just loved the way you described madhu and RK's relation thru that songg.. wow!!! superbbb!!!

Shamsher is irritating me... and good RK is back in form and will catch him red-handed. We have had enough of Shamsher and his killing thoughts... Paddy!! what.. sometimes I don't understand what to make of her... like now.. what is she doing.. can't she stand up and face it...

Whatever is thing behind that saree.. uuuff!! enough now...

Sorry again.. Madhu was not stupid... yes.. she could have waited for asking more about the saree,... Seeing him in a foul mood she just should have agreed instead of getting humiliated...

PS: I just can't get over the song Darmiyaaann... I have been listening to it all day and humming the tune...Wow!! just beautiful lyrics and it is perfect for Rishbala as of now.. as they are in that phase where they are confused and learning about new feelings for one another...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: PreetD


When he says to her, I thought you were beginning to understand me, my heart kind of broke.

When I watched the episode I felt that RK was being RK when he made that dialogue. His next sentence went something like this: Whatever I want happens.. I didnt get the feeling that he was seriously upset that Madhu wore the saree. I felt he was angry bcos Madhu isnt doing what he tells her to do.. For me, Rishabh is the one who is affected by Madhu.. He opens upto Madhu when he is Rishabh.. RK wants things running the way he wishes.. If it had been Rishabh who asked her to change, Madhu would have changed the saree without much protest.. Thats what I felt..

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

When I watched the episode I felt that RK was being RK when he made that dialogue. His next sentence went something like this: Whatever I want happens.. I didnt get the feeling that he was seriously upset that Madhu wore the saree. I felt he was angry bcos Madhu isnt doing what he tells her to do.. For me, Rishabh is the one who is affected by Madhu.. He opens upto Madhu when he is Rishabh.. RK wants things running the way he wishes.. If it had been Rishabh who asked her to change, Madhu would have changed the saree without much protest.. Thats what I felt..


aaaww!!! peachess... @bold. completely agree with you here... he is not thinking about the memory abt the saree but just maybe trying to hold her back from meeting her Malik!!! he might be just teeny-weeny jealous.. Madhuu smiling that smile to Malik.. he does not like to share... and he likes to flutter her feathers.. it's all about hass haqq hai meraaa... 😳 he wants to mark his territory!! I guess only peeing is left to mark his own.. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

When I watched the episode I felt that RK was being RK when he made that dialogue. His next sentence went something like this: Whatever I want happens.. I didnt get the feeling that he was seriously upset that Madhu wore the saree. I felt he was angry bcos Madhu isnt doing what he tells her to do.. For me, Rishabh is the one who is affected by Madhu.. He opens upto Madhu when he is Rishabh.. RK wants things running the way he wishes.. If it had been Rishabh who asked her to change, Madhu would have changed the saree without much protest.. Thats what I felt..

@pink...exactly my feelings too...He didnt looked hurt or upset at all..he was RK there..thats y madhu also replied in her usual way ..DD was as usual great in that scene...i still didnt understood wat made ppl upset on madhu yesterday...Both RK & MB were in their old avatars yest..it was a dragged and filler epi which might be the reason ppl got irked and blamed madhu for that(just kidding)..😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

When I watched the episode I felt that RK was being RK when he made that dialogue. His next sentence went something like this: Whatever I want happens.. I didnt get the feeling that he was seriously upset that Madhu wore the saree. I felt he was angry bcos Madhu isnt doing what he tells her to do.. For me, Rishabh is the one who is affected by Madhu.. He opens upto Madhu when he is Rishabh.. RK wants things running the way he wishes.. If it had been Rishabh who asked her to change, Madhu would have changed the saree without much protest.. Thats what I felt..


I feel for everytime RK does or says sth. there's a "tthos vajah" behind it. He just doesn't order someone to do something esp. Madhu just to satisfy his ego.

For example the hospital scene.. the way he was talking to dips in fromnt of mads ...anyone who doesn't know RK will think he means it but we know otherwise. He wanted to learn the truth about who donated him blood.

All I'm saying is madhu herself witnessed this so I'm just disappointed that she didn't try to understand that there must be a reason behind his insistence.

And also like Preet mentioned in her post there is a time and place for everything and it certainly wasn't the time. Which I think she'll realize soon enough on Monday and agree to change the saree.

ETA: I don't want to come off as someone who doesn't like DD. I never watched any of her shows. This is my first for both DD and VD. In fact I heard of DD (she seemed quite popular) but before this show I never heard of VD.

But I'm talking as a regular viewer who don't understand or has the time to analyze any character indepth like we get to do. Most of them react to what they see.

Friday's epi was nothing but poor writing,poor execution that resulted in poor acting.




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I feel for everytime RK does or says sth. there's a "tthos vajah" behind it. He just doesn't order someone to do something esp. Madhu just to satisfy his ego.

For example the hospital scene.. the way he was talking to dips in fromnt of mads ...anyone who doesn't know RK will think he means it but we know otherwise. He wanted to learn the truth about who donated him blood.

All I'm saying is madhu herself witnessed this so I'm just disappointed that she didn't try to understand that there must be a reason behind his insistence.

And also like Preet mentioned in her post there is a time and place for everything and it certainly wasn't the time. Which I think she'll realize soon enough on Monday and agree to change the saree.

I am not saying that there is no reason why RK is telling her to change the saree.. There might be.. Otherwise Dipzy would never have given her that saree to wear..
What I am saying is that there was no emotion in that sentence other than anger at Madhu not heeding his orders.. Otherwise it was clunky acting and emoting from VD.. Madhu was adamant at not changing the saree bcos RK ordered it. If RK had expressed some sort of vulnerability re. the saree she would have changed it no questions asked.. Thats how I have read Madhu's character.. She doesnt bow down before RK's dictatorial behaviour..
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Posted: 12 years ago
@ Peach --- I actually thought madhu didn't emote well. I always understood when she was defiant but yday her expressions were all wrong.

Her face reeked of arrogance and I failed to connect to it and see where she's coming from. Bcos from my understanding Mads is stubborn but not arrogant.

And I did mention in on of my post that had RK said sexily that he liked her in the green saree better she would have changed.


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