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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _sasi_

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@pink...exactly my feelings too...He didnt looked hurt or upset at all..he was RK there..thats y madhu also replied in her usual way ...DD was as usual great in that scene...i still didnt understood wat made ppl upset on madhu yesterday...Both RK & MB were in their old avatars yest..it was a dragged and filler epi which might be the reason ppl got irked and blamed madhu for that(just kidding)..😆😆


Sasi, Peach

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Since I am one of those vehement ranters from yesterday, and inspite of my understanding of the characters, I would like to explain myself. I am sorry to be causing many others a displeasure that I am sort of influencing anti-advocacy of Madhu, but these are my perceptions.

I have never liked Madhu's character. I have always liked RK's character. My simple reason being I am not greatly tolerant to dim-wit. I am just not. Madhu is dull and not focussed enough even though she might be a gem of a person. She doesn't know what she wants. She makes it her case, her concerns over other's problems. That's like barging in,,,,and too much to accept.

Dealing with dim-wits in real life is painful enough and sometimes you can rant and sometimes you cannot. But on-screen you see something like that, then I believe, we can so without feeling responsible.

On just watching the episode, I winced at Madhu's accepting to wear Dips saree. Obviously I as a viewer will have my own kind of response to the character. Why would I step in the character's shoes and say she is doing the right thing just because she is supposed to be like that. I as a viewer have every right to judge her action. Simply put ...the finer sense of being a woman, a refined sense of coming close to a man is totally lost when that woman does an obtuse act of displeasing her man. That act is totally against the principle of romance, principle of shringaar in drama (meaning the feeling that induces delight in a drama).

As for RK and Rishabh equation ...
For me, now RK and Rishabh are not separate. He is becoming one now that he made peace with his father's death. So yesterday's reaction, I will not separate it between Rishabh and RK. Rishabh is the man he is and RK is his expression. So the RK that spits out dragon fire is actually Rishabh...its not that RK is tough and Rishabh is soft, they are one and the same person.
Now we can expect to see more of the softer RK rather than raving mad RK like we saw on Wednesday or Thursday episodes...just like we saw him in hospital with Dips (the smart one catching the makkari of Dips) and with Madhu (the kiddish one trying to act tough) and like we will see again next week (the smart RK) when catching his killer.

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Growth of character is paramount to any drama. If there is no growth, it will lead to this kind of reaction. Every drama needs to have those cathartic elements. And once that climax and anti-climax is past, the dramatist cannot go back to same climax and anti-climax for the next track. That's the reason why even in investigative series, other than it being every week a new case to solve, the dramatist shows development between the protagonists relationships and weaves development into characters. Take any drama ...like sherlock holmes and watson, or Mulder and Sculley in X-Files. The characters cannot just go back to what they were at ouset. They have to keep growing and aging. That's drama.

A weak execution spews this much of vomit. But then not our fault. They needn't have induced a Wednesday and Thursday romance and lighter moments (Shringaar Bhaava) if they wanted the Friday to be like that. Not my fault if I ranted.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: HopelessLove


aaaww!!! peachess... @bold. completely agree with you here... he is not thinking about the memory abt the saree but just maybe trying to hold her back from meeting her Malik!!! he might be just teeny-weeny jealous.. Madhuu smiling that smile to Malik.. he does not like to share... and he likes to flutter her feathers.. it's all about hass haqq hai meraaa... 😳 he wants to mark his territory!! I guess only peeing is left to mark his own.. 😆

I dont think RK does jealous.. Esp re. Malik.. 😃 It was he who invited them to the puja..Maybe if Mukku enters he might do jealous.. But then again, he understands Madhu's emotions and reads her pretty well.. So there again, I doubt if he will be jealous unless Madhu acts all lovey-dovey to him, which I think Madhu wouldnt do..

The saree might have some memory associated with it.. This guy carries so many baggage with him.. I just dont understand his emotions re. Dipzy.. He is angry with both his mother and Dipzy and yet, he talks to Dipzy, but not to his mother.. What exactly does he feel re. Dipzy? I just dont understand.. He doesnt like her.. He says he doesnt see her.. But interestingly, he talks to her and still calls her Dips.. Is that just another clunky plot?

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Posted: 12 years ago
I completey agree with applenpeaches here ...Both RK and MB were at their arrogant best yesterday ...RK wanted her to follow his order and Madhu wanted an explanation since it was coming from an arrogant RK ...and not Rishab... even I as a viewer fails to understand such a strong character, RK, being affected by Dips way too much ...he has got enough brains na ...then do something to shut her mouth ...
@ SD ...I believe its too early for anybody and even Madhu to make out the difference bw RK and Rishab in the first go all the time ...he's at peace for sure, but not completely ...there is a lot to be healed in him by Madhu ...may be few fans are reading too much into RK's character ...
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Posted: 12 years ago

SD, I dont think the Madhu wearing Dipzy saree has anything to do with Madhu being a dim-wit.. For that I blame the CVs.. Obviously they want to shed some light on another interesting event in RK's pandora box of secrets and they chose this path.. Imagine this is the same Madhu who saw through Dipzy's act and refused to accept the money and leave.. And now the same Madhu is accepting a saree from her. .Are they the same person? I dont think so.. This has nothing to do with Madhu's character being a dim-wit.. Its just another clunky plot.. If there is no confrontation between the hero and heroine, and things are all sweet between them, people will soon get bored.. Yesterday people were relieved that rough and tough RK is back after seeing the soft RK yesterday.. Madhu wearing the saree serves two purposes- RK-Madhu fight and Shammu doubting his daughter's happiness in the house..

The CVs always slip up when they write Madhu's character.. This always happens when the hero is dark and the CVs want the audience to warm up to the hero,, So they compromise the heroine's character.. The same thing happened here.. Madhu's fighting for Mukku also, in my opinion, one such thing.. Any real person like Madhu wouldnot be a dimwit.. No dimwit will be able to make any change in a man like RK..

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Siri22

@ Peach --- I actually thought madhu didn't emote well. I always understood when she was defiant but yday her expressions were all wrong.


Her face reeked of arrogance and I failed to connect to it and see where she's coming from. Bcos from my understanding Mads is stubborn but not arrogant.

And I did mention in on of my post that had RK said sexily that he liked her in the green saree better she would have changed.

Ha.. Siri.. I think Madhu emotes well.. But RK's emoting I always have a problem.. But, he is sexy, mind you.. 😃

Both are stubborn and arrogant.. Thats the reason they are attracted to each other in the first place.. Do you think a man like RK will be attracted to any person who is a doormat? Nah.. Interestingly, its only RK who ignites the stubbornness and arrogance in Madhu.. With others that character trait is dormant in her..

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Posted: 12 years ago
Peach, Manonids,

I have added more in my post, in the explanation given to Sasi and Peach. Please do read.
I am talking on the clunkiness of the plot and the viewer reaction. And yes, its just my response as a viewer and will not want to influence anyone else, but then would like to alleviate my angst by talking to others.

This you can treat as chorus element for any drama...the critical commentary, which is a must to understand the drama.

One thing that is for sure...tragedies are high on melodrama content and replete with character flaws. If this show is just about being a tragedy with lot of judaai and gam in between like the Hum Deewaane Song explains from both male and female versions...Kitni baar hum milke bichde...dooriyan kyon hai dramiyaan ...I will soon put myself in place and adjust my response accordingly. I am not a very great fan of tragedies, so I will know what to do 😆
Anyways, I never liked Pygmalion and Galatea story.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Manonids

I completey agree with applenpeaches here ...Both RK and MB were at their arrogant best yesterday ...RK wanted her to follow his order and Madhu wanted an explanation since it was coming from an arrogant RK ...and not Rishab... even I as a viewer fails to understand such a strong character, RK, being affected by Dips way too much ...he has got enough brains na ...then do something to shut her mouth ...

@ SD ...I believe its too early for anybody and even Madhu to make out the difference bw RK and Rishab in the first go all the time ...he's at peace for sure, but not completely ...there is a lot to be healed in him by Madhu ...may be few fans are reading too much into RK's character ...

Please call me Peach or Sonu... By what name do you want me to call you?

re. Dipzy.. I am confused if RK still has some feelings for Dipzy buried deep deep inside his heart. Is that why he still calls her Dips? I see no other explanation for that..

re. RK's character.. I dont like RK's character.. So far, I dont see any reason to like that character except that VD is playing him.. He has given some very interesting mannerisms to RK, which I like.. Otherwise, I dont know if I would even want to watch RK-Madhu romance.. 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Please call me Peach or Sonu... By what name do you want me to call you?

re. Dipzy.. I am confused if RK still has some feelings for Dipzy buried deep deep inside his heart. Is that why he still calls her Dips? I see no other explanation for that..

re. RK's character.. I dont like RK's character.. So far, I dont see any reason to like that character except that VD is playing him.. He has given some very interesting mannerisms to RK, which I like.. Otherwise, I dont know if I would even want to watch RK-Madhu romance.. 😊


I would go with Peach ( it sounds good )

I agree RK's character is played really well ...no doubt ...Its hard to digest seeing RK being affected by a woman like Dips beyond comprehension ...Its not that he can't set her aside, but somehow he's not doing it...dont know if he still feels somehow connected with her ...may be they had physical intimacy in their relation ...I am not sure but there seems to be no other reason so far shared from his side for being so perturbed by her...with his mother, he is cold but Dips manages to extract reactions with mere a touch ...hmmm ...what's going on !!!!!...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

SD, I dont think the Madhu wearing Dipzy saree has anything to do with Madhu being a dim-wit.. For that I blame the CVs.. Obviously they want to shed some light on another interesting event in RK's pandora box of secrets and they chose this path..

Its 50 -50 to me. Madhu cannot make out the difference between a victim and a witness, cannot see how as a non-family person she can take care of Mukku and yet tell her mother, that she doesn't think that kind of reaction means love and not just friendship, cannot see through Radha...

Can all of this be termed as clunkiness ? No.

The CVs are ridiculing her character just exactly as we perceive of her actions.

Like when RK taunts ...

EK Gunahgaar EK Gawaah ( I mean for God's sake she is not even a victim).

When Padmini admonishes her

Madhu seedha seedha jawaab de...tu to keh rahi thee Mukund sirf ek dost hai

What more validation we want that she is a dim-wit. 😆





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Posted: 12 years ago

@Manonids..

I can understand RK being affected by Dips since he was in love with her once.. Maybe even madly madly in love.. Then she betrayed her and left him for his step-brother.. Still in his heart he thinks of this woman as Dips? 😕 To me that means he still has some emotions when it comes to her.. Otherwise who will call someone who betrayed you by a sweet sweet name Dips?

RK's character is strong and yet he doesnt do anything to shut her up. For me that is the biggest clunky plot... I would have thought a man like RK would have made it very clear he doesnt want her anywhere near him... So I am forced to conclude that RK does have some emotions still whene it comes to Dips.. He might be angry with her, but he does feel something for her... Thats for sure..


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