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@applenpeaches

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Posted: 12 years ago

#21

Tanu: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3255730/rishab-madhu-and-their-paradise

Armu4eva: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3255393/biwi-baby-aur-bittu-jee

Edited by applenpeaches - 12 years ago

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dupebox

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Posted: 12 years ago

#22

SD: Indepth analysis as always. Loved it! You know what? The sheer enormity of your deep analysis leaves me so wowed that I don't know where and what to start commenting on from your takes. I liked what you have to say about the character Shamsher. I kind of like the parallels you draw of the two intriguing characters, RK and Malik. Although I do agree to you to some extent, I feel a bit differently about this character.

In my opinion, the two characters - RK and Malik- have different layers to them. For me Malik is one of my favorite characters in this show. This man is a puzzle. Look at this character from the beginning. He took to the desolated lady at first glance. This man didn't know anything about the woman other than what he could see with his naked eyes. A young woman fleeing to save the life of her kids (one in the womb and the other in hand) and herself from the husband, a wretched man. Did he have ulterior motives in embracing them as his responsibility? Not at the outset. Would he have done the same to any other woman that he did to Pads and her family? To some extent, yes. He would have given anyone the required shelter and security. Would he have taken full responsibility as he did with Pads and her family? I am sure not. Did he do all this with a purpose? Would you call it love, compassion, humanity? He never expected anything in return for what he gave the three ladies (at least that was what was shown to us on the surface). May be there is some other hidden feelings for Pads that he never wants the world to know. But he has always maintained the decorum and never ever crossed the limits that he has drawn between them. He loves his family and is madly possessive of them. He could do anything to protect them. That was what was shown to us when Balraj tries to kill his wife and kids. Malik confronts the bad man and even creates a fake accident to prove the make-belief death of Pads and her kids so that the bad man closes Padmini and her kids' chapters in his life.

He gave them a new lease of life. He was always there to protect them. He loves his daughter Madhu more than anyone else. She was born amidst the film fraternity that he belonged to and was born in a very unconventional situation. The girl's life was at stake even before she was born. The sheer vulnerability, fight for existence and hope for survival of the child gave him all the courage in the world to protect her. He took responsibility of her entire life. He wants to protect her from every evil thing in life. He thought of himself as her savior. He did think that he was doing his job just beyond right until RK arrived in the horizon. So when RK entered Madhu's life and threw her life off balance, he got his first jolt. A besotted father that he is, could not take it when someone tried to mess up with his daughter's life. Still he didn't think that anyone could harm his princess. He even went to RK in the hope that RK would amend things in his daughter's life.

RK, on the other hand, didn't leave any stone unturned to spite Madhu. He maligned her character on the national TV for the world to see. He broke her engagement, made her a laughingstock, and made her future look bleak. RK backstabbed Malik and made a mockery of his daughter's life. Malik was totally consumed by the betrayal. As a father, it was very right of him to confront the wrongdoer, RK. The interesting fact here is when Malik wanted to hurt RK like how RK did hurt his daughter, RK actually didn't have any intention to hurt Malik. RK did warn Malik to back-off saying that the war was between him and MB. RK obviously didn't bother to understand the integrity of the relationships that provoked the outburst. In order to save himself, RK did not bother to stop his men from beating up the stunt master. Malik never thought of RK as his enemy. RK never had any enemity towards Malik. The situation played its game and now they are what they are to each other. Now who is the hero and who is the villain? Is Malik a villain because he is scheming to kill RK and get his daughter of his clutches? If yes, then what was RK when he left Malik beaten-up and oozing to death? What was Malik's crime there? If RK is a villain, then Malik is too. If Malik is a hero because he justifies his action for the sake of his daughter, then RK is a hero too. He didn't mean to hurt Malik but when he did realize that his act could cost Malik's life, he went all out to save his life at any cost. These two men have one thing in common. Their obsession over Madhu. RK has the mysterious obsession over her for which he is yet to give a name and yet to discover what and why of his junoon over her. Malik is obsessed with his daughter who is ethereal to him. She is sort of an angel to him. His princess daughter who he can never see in pain.

The fight is between these two men to prove their love for this woman. One wants to protect her and the other want to possess her. I like the way these characters are interwoven.

As you sow so shall you reap! RK paid for what he did once and now it is Malik' turn. Let's see how Malik is going to pay for his current deed.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#23

Doves,

First off, I am SO SO SO happy that I got a LOONG post from you here. COZ I LOVE THEM. 🤗

Agree. Exactly my take. But MINUS the means of getting back.

The beating and killing spree

The means of getting back or beating up was easy for RK because he is resourceful. He has men at his disposal who can do the job for him. And there's a protocol for that kind of men, how far they can go without taking law into their hands or at least how much of it they can get away from law, if caught. There the situation with RK was MOOLAH speaks, MOOLAH has style, MOOLAH has right.

See this is what I feel it.MOOLAH matters. Then how can it left out of the equation as to why a man can become cold-blooded all of a sudden.

Shamsher Malik is also a resourceful man in his own way. Has Muscle power...could easily beat up 4-5 men of RK's. He understands weapons being the stunts men. So natively speaking this man too has everything in his kitty. What he lacks is MONEY. Isn't that maddening then, that it caused him to lose his daughter the second time around. First time he gets beaten because of the collective security that RK has hired with his money. The second time, he is dying...RK uses money again to get his daughter.

That's why Malik has ANGER with RK's Money as we well. Do you remember the dialogue there "badi beti ke sapno ko apne mehenge jooton ke tale pees pees ke phaila diya"

I like the emphasis on Mehenge. He just did not say joote...if he was not affected by the MONEY issues. Because for Malik, more than RK, lack of money has become a bigger problem. May be he contemplated and thought, he is never gonna return 40 lakhs and it makes sense for him to end all this game by finishing the man himself.

You know I don't have any problem with anyone as wronged as Malik getting murderous instincts. For I believe in just one thing. If it takes courage to protect someone's life, it equally takes strength and courage to end someone's life. That courage should stem from a sense of purpose and ultimate knowledge which allows one to stay focussed and poised.

And Malik's purpose got tainted with his own personal issues with Money. And since he indulged in his sophistication of the reason as "for my daughter's honor" and because he does not speak beyond this, I have gone ahead and wanted to credit him in my own manner, with some romantic attributes and exploits to him. Because that he did in the past, when things did not go wrong for him.

However, now the romantic/heroic exploits are not just like the first time. Things have changed this time. He is not taking the cue that things are not going his way. He fails now.

Then can he just start questioning himself...where has it gone wrong ? But problem is just like his daughter, this man too doesn't think. They just act. Why is it difficult for these people to reason and not emotionally think about it ?

Through Malik, I see the ANGER of the UNDERBELLY. And it will never go away. One day they may become HAVEs and then at that time they will gladly forget what it was to be a UNDERBELLY.

As a father...what good did Malik do ? Was he responsible ? Being from the film fraternity, what advice did he give to his NAIVE daughter ? How far would he allow his daughter to dog another powerful man from the Film Industry with clout. Wouldn't our fathers have advised us against it ?

A man going as far as trying to kill another man for his daughter, in the first place will not allow his daughter to venture out alone entrusting with all decision making responsibilities on her baby shoulders. What advise had he given to his daughter. I am really interested to know there..

We will come to a happy conclusion that all this is a bad churning by CVs. But I will not say that. Because I saw Unbelievable acts from Malik from Day one...the way he saved, sacrificed his life, did not think of social repercussions at maintaining a family minus the marriage...so all of this is a juxtaposition from normalcy. He has been a Filmy types Hero with platonic love equations. He had been a soldier. A soldier is not always a father.

There is never a bookish type of hero in real life. Every act of heroism needs a purpose. And with each win, we become heroes. Likewise we accept our set-backs too. We don't become villains.

And my thoughts just end in the middle of my thought process, because I do not know much of the underbelly society. I am sure they have very thin lines and can easily cross the paths between right and wrong on their path of survival...the daily grind of livelihood issues.

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago

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Sonu

@applenpeaches

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Posted: 12 years ago

#24

DV, Lovely long post from you after a long long time.. Hey, Btw, all of us are still waiting for your post on Madhu...

re. Malik I dont think of him as a villain.. I think RK was in the wrong to have Malik beaten up badly... Now Malik is out to kill RK.. Both are wrong in whatever they did..

In my opinion both have split personality.. 😆 If you notice, when RK's Mr. Hyde personality appears, Malik is in his Dr. Jekyll persona.. When Malik becomes Mr. Hyde, RK turns into Dr. Jekyll.. Malik and RK has too much in common than either of them will ever acknowledge.. 😆

We all forgive RK because he is hot. Otherwise he is, in my opinion, no way better than Malik..

Edited by applenpeaches - 12 years ago

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dupebox

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Posted: 12 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

In my opinion both have split personality.. 😆 If you notice, when RK's Mr. Hyde personality appears, Malik is in his Dr. Jekyll persona.. When Malik becomes Mr. Hyde, RK turns into Dr. Jekyll.. Malik and RK has too much in common than either of them will ever acknowledge.. 😆
We all forgive RK because he is hot. Otherwise he is, in my opinion, no way better than Malik..

Hi Peaches, loved your reference to Jekyll & Hyde to emphasize the multiple personality disorder that our RK and Malik are experiencing.

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Sonu

@applenpeaches

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Posted: 12 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: DovesView

Hi Peaches, loved your reference to Jekyll & Hyde to emphasize the multiple personality disorder that our RK and Malik are experiencing.

Seriously, I hate that the CVs made him out to be the killer... In the next plot, Bittuji will try to kill Malik to get his Paddy.. Watch out!

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Namita

@Namita-M

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#27

Love your analysis Shri! Perfectly captured but when ever have you not! 🤗

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dupebox

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Posted: 12 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Seriously, I hate that the CVs made him out to be the killer... In the next plot, Bittuji will try to kill Malik to get his Paddy.. Watch out!

That is only after you both present your paper. 😆 I will not be surprised if we are presented with that track... after seeing the development in Bittuji's character and the level of importance given to pillows... Beware of what you wish for. Stalky stalkers around!

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Namita

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Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

DV, Lovely long post from you after a long long time.. Hey, Btw, all of us are still waiting for your post on Madhu...
re. Malik I dont think of him as a villain.. I think RK was in the wrong to have Malik beaten up badly... Now Malik is out to kill RK.. Both are wrong in whatever they did..
In my opinion both have split personality.. 😆If you notice, when RK's Mr. Hyde personality appears, Malik is in his Dr. Jekyll persona.. When Malik becomes Mr. Hyde, RK turns into Dr. Jekyll.. Malik and RK has too much in common than either of them will ever acknowledge..😆 
We all forgive RK because he is hot. Otherwise he is, in my opinion, no way better than Malik..

No kidding Sonu, both are mental cases! 😆

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Namita

@Namita-M

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#30

Bittuji and Padmini 🤣

Almost choked on my yogurt rofl... Too freakin' hilarious! Keep it coming Doves and Sonu! I am thoroughly enjoying my break from my work!

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