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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pippa


I liked only two things...one, Madhu's confession to her mom about her guilt for her inexplicable feelings for RK and her dawning realization of RK's dramabazi...the subtle change in expression on DD's face was truly remarkable.


I have to second SD and say I loved these two scenes as well. I loved the little moment between Madhu and her mom and them showing that Madhu is feeling these contradictory emotions towards RK. How can she care about a man that did so many terrible things to both her and her family. I was waiting for these feelings to surface and I was so happy that she actually verbalized it. And her mom's reaction. Like himbin said back on page 3 : "Poor Madhu was feeling guilty of her growing feelings but,with Padmini's assurance she feels relieved...This shows what an important role a parent plays in their kids life.." I love that her mom is on her side (although this could all be a ploy on Padmani's part to get closer to RK's right hand man Bittuji! ... I kid!!).

I had another favourite scene though, the very end where she answers RK's question. Oh who am I kidding, you put RK and Madhu in a scene together and I am obviously going to love it, although I wish that Dipzy was in less of it. I must say though that the little inconsistencies in the shots are just starting to get on my nerves. It's like when you read a book with terrible editing, it takes you out of the moment cause now you're trying to edit the text instead of just enjoying it.

@Sonu - I've spoken to the printers, the business cards are being printed as we speak ..

ETA:
I love how Dipzy was completely exposed to Madhu. She may have suspected before but now Madhu would have to be an idiot not to question everything Dipzy does, not to mention ever trusting her. Although I could've done without RK cupping her cheek yuck!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Like I was saying to Pippa, today's episode, although if on surface brought back The RK we know and love, today we completely understand why he is THE RK, how he evolved in that manner and why is so different from Rishabh Kundra. We get to know him through the three female characters he gets to interact today.


I would title today's episode as Trust and Reassurance

Trust and Reassurance - Madhubala the fortunate.
She is no longer confident. She cannot trust herself on what she is doing. What seems right seems wrong also. And what is supposed to be wrong is actually correct as well. She doesn't know what has happened to her or what is happening to her. She is yearning to take care of someone whom she should not care for and who would not allow her to take care. She is upset that she is breaching trust on both family side and also hurting the man by she is supposed to hate.

What kind of dilemma is this ?
And so we have the song. It should have been played today instead of yesterday. But no worries, Episodic screenplay may aisa aage -peeche ho jaata hai, with all those ad breaks, precaps and daybreaks.

However, does this dilemma get resolved for Madhu. Through her mother.
She trusts her mother and she is reassured by her mother that what she feels now is not wrong. She reinstates Madhu's shift of RK view as plausible as RK is not the bad man but a good man, which Madhu could see.

What do we have here ? A beautiful scene that makes us happy looking at the confident mother and reassured daughter. Weren't we all happy when Madhu smiled through her tears ? Under these circumstances, how can anyone say, Madhu is not going to remain innocent and good person all her life (assuming Padmini is going to be like this.)


Trust and Reassurance - Rishabh Kundra the Unfortunate.
He needs to know what happened, when he was unconscious there. And who can he turn to ? He tried to check with his wife. Didn't we all listen how he was addressing her as Madhu trusting her completely. His wife was evasive towards his questions, though her exuberant joyful act gave up on her. He is still smarting to know and there comes his ex-love who jilted him in the past, claiming that she saved him and given him his blood. Can he trust her ? No. But who is going to reassure him that what he thinks is right. That Dips cannot be the person who could save him. Enter his mother. Although Rishabh cannot trust her, but he looked at her with the last straw kind of thing and asked her, who gave him blood. The mother is stupefied. And she looks at her DIL as if that DIL is going to come for her rescue. The mother couldn't even look into her son's eyes and refuse to give answer. She had to act dodgy. Rishabh is a person who wants everything in its honesty given back to him straight whether it is to bless him or curse him. Mrs. Bhatia fails miserably to reassure Rishabh on anything.

And there seethes out the RK out of Rishabh Kundra. The RK who is going to protect Rishabh Kundra from people whom he cannot trust and cannot have any kind of assurance of bonding.

His RK act gets him the information he was seeking. I feel for this man. It was painful for me to watch Rishabh Kundra's predicament until this point. I mean how he just has to become a mean person to counter meanness around him without any choice.

Reassurance leading to Trust - between the adversaries RK and Madhubala
Its a very conceited act of RK, which initially the trusting Madhubala doesn't understand and ends up giving away her perturbed expressions at finding out RK-Dips Love story. Is this the man that she knows of him as ? But then, it starts to reassure him that he is on the right track. Then soon the conceited drama hits her and she sees through it to know what RK is upto. A reassured look appears and she watches the rest of the drama unfold. Truth out.

RK and Madhubala come to face each other to address the unsettling question. Why Madhu donated her blood to RK, a person who inflicted worst kind of torments over her soul and family. Do they trust each other while asking and being asked ? Yes, they do. And what do they do ? RK doesn't yell "OUT" likes he yells at Dips and his mother. Madhu musters her courage to speak up what she has to. She answers him back trustingly, "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" and looks for reassurance that she did the right thing. That vulnerable look of Madhu's; wanting to do the right thing for herself; pushes back RK and brings forth Rishabh Kundra again, a man who wants to care for others, who would assure people that he is there for them.

Rishabh Kundra and RK's concerns have always been not get vulnerable before anyone. They can protect others, but cannot seek help from others. But today the question is going even beyond that. Its time for Rishabh to set aside his vulnerability and take care of the question that Madhu asked him mildly in doubt "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" It had not been an easy act for his adversary in showering her kindness, then can he not shower a little understanding on his adversary for the same. Reassurance leading to Trust. Not that they become lovers or something. They are still adversaries but all in faith.


P.S: When a person comes back to consciousness, it really matters for the person to know what transpired when he was zoned out. And this becomes significant for control-freaks like RK or Rishabh Kundra. If one is surrounded by good people around by him/her, the person sets aside the questions for later time even though his mind gnaws to know what happened. This is rarely shown over TV. And in MEIEJ we are seeing it because this is RK who is projected as guy who has his fears and all. But at real, the thing to know is present. First hand example is me.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43
Preet,

Your post ! Amen 👍🏼

Don't worry. I am just pleased with all analysis today. Its so true.

RK is entertaining and he gives us lots of brain work.😆



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Posted: 12 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: undisclosed

RK was about to chop up the bat...which knife did he use?

Something long and deadly, beyond that don't know. But Undisclosed what a brill post!👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Excellent analysis, Himbin! You've added to my viewing pleasure.

Originally posted by: himbin

Wow.! ! ! What a terrific player RK is..?? I am amazed at his level of playing...Have to applaud the writers who came up with his character sketch...So unique...never seen on Indian TV...


How many things he accomplished with one drama today...

1.He madeDeepali confess that she was not the donor
2. Found out who the real donor is...??
3. Used the situation to make Madhu aware of his old equation with Deepali...Biwi se koi aise
baat chupate kya ...Wow HATS OFF to you RK...
4. Said all he wanted to say to Madhu by pretending to say that to Deeepali...like after all that
I did with you you still gave me your blood...What a true love...Sacha pyaar...Moghal-e-azam types.He was at his sarcastic best here...
5.Last but not the least...Guaged his Biwis reations to his game...trying to read her...watching
if she would blurt the truth out or stay quiet...testing the depth of her feelings

Great observations! 👏 Want to single out pts 3 and 4 - RK was awesome!! Snide, slick devil! If he's like this after all that bloodloss, etc., then what'll he be like at his strongest, healthiest potential? I feel weak at the thought.😉 Never mind - kudos to the CVs they sure packed a lot into this one epi.
Its not in everyone's capacity to understand this guy...That's why sometimes I feel pity of
Radhaji...She seems to be a good woman but,a weak one...To understand and deal with
RK one needs to be as solid as a Rock...
True, although in addition to understanding it's RK-handling skills that she needs. Where to set the boundaries and when to call his bluff, both of which MB has in full, and which mother dearest clearly abandoned in RK's childhood. Hence RK's response to MB's slaps!
Madhu's answer to RK's question was awesome...
He asks her Why you gave blood to me...?? after all he made her go through...
Probably RK wanted to know the truth about her feelings towards him...wanted to know if
what he sees in her eyes is what it is...he now sees something more than sympathy in them...something more deeper...
Liked how RK's eyes were scrunched up warily - as though he suspects Madhu is going to tell him something he doesn't want to hear, although there is a glimmer of hope too.

Madhu says because you would have done the same for me...Don't you...??
Brilliant line, unexpected and nicely delivered!
Now, What does that mean...He ceased to be the Jaanwar he once used to be...She is showing confidence,confidence in the goodness in him...The goodness he was so desperately trying to cover with his nasty behaviour... If giving blood to him mean that she has growing feelings for him then,he is culpable to the same...they both are in the same boat...😛
Brave girl, this Madhu, didn't prevaricate - just gave it to him straight. Made him aware of her feeling for him and made him face up to his feelings for her. Cards more or less on the table, depending on RK's retort.
Madhu and Padmii scene was meaningful too...Poor Madhu was feeling guilty of her growing
feelings but,with Padmini's assurance she feels relieved...This shows what an important role
a parent plays in their kids life ...Madhu is lucky in this respect...
Again unexpected treatment of the scene - unembarrassed confession by MB - no coyness, hichkichahat, etc., and straight talk and support from parent. Great stuff!
I Loved todays episode...Luv Rishabala...😊

Ditto!😊


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Posted: 12 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: pippa


Much of the effect of the episode was reduced, at least, for me because there were no surprises..we knew that Dips' truth will be out and that RK already knew about Madhu...re the strange looks he gave her arm in the previous episode.

I liked only two things...one, Madhu's confession to her mom about her guilt for her inexplicable feelings for RK and her dawning realization of RK's dramabazi...the subtle change in expression on DD's face was truly remarkable.


Nice post.😊
re: RK's strange looks - yes I wondered about that as well. Also wondered if he'd overheard Bittuji praising MB for her good deeds while RK was out for the count. I was pretty sure he knew all along and was just toying with the rat. Although I was on edge about when he'd pounce.
re: MB's expression - I noticed that too and was just so amazed by her barely there smirk. All in all very realistic non-saas bahu emoting. Holding my breath that it continues for a while.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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As usual, some deep thinking here, SD. Way past bedtime so I'm going to dive straight into your post 😊
Like I was saying to Pippa, today's episode, although if on surface brought back The RK we know and love, today we completely understand why he is THE RK, how he evolved in that manner and why is so different from Rishabh Kundra. We get to know him through the three female characters he gets to interact today.

Sums it up nicely.😊 Love your perspective re the three female characters.

I would title today's episode as Trust and Reassurance

Trust and Reassurance - Madhubala the fortunate.
She is no longer confident. She cannot trust herself on what she is doing. What seems right seems wrong also. And what is supposed to be wrong is actually correct as well. She doesn't know what has happened to her or what is happening to her. She is yearning to take care of someone whom she should not care for and who would not allow her to take care. She is upset that she is breaching trust on both family side and also hurting the man by she is supposed to hate.

What kind of dilemma is this ?
And so we have the song. It should have been played today instead of yesterday. But no worries, Episodic screenplay may aisa aage -peeche ho jaata hai, with all those ad breaks, precaps and daybreaks.

However, does this dilemma get resolved for Madhu. Through her mother.
She trusts her mother and she is reassured by her mother that what she feels now is not wrong. She reinstates Madhu's shift of RK view as plausible as RK is not the bad man but a good man, which Madhu could see.
Such clarity! This statement of yours is an epiphany for me. How true!! Ultimately, MB's mom gave MB sanction and therefore laid the ground for Madhu's final scene confession!! Brilliant, SD!👏

Trust and Reassurance - Rishabh Kundra the Unfortunate.
He needs to know what happened, when he was unconscious there. And who can he turn to ? He tried to check with his wife. Didn't we all listen how he was addressing her as Madhu trusting her completely. His wife was evasive towards his questions, though her exuberant joyful act gave up on her. He is still smarting to know and there comes his ex-love who jilted him in the past, claiming that she saved him and given him his blood. Can he trust her ? No. But who is going to reassure him that what he thinks is right. That Dips cannot be the person who could save him. Enter his mother. Although Rishabh cannot trust her, but he looked at her with the last straw kind of thing and asked her, who gave him blood. The mother is stupefied. And she looks at her DIL as if that DIL is going to come for her rescue. The mother couldn't even look into her son's eyes and refuse to give answer. She had to act dodgy. Rishabh is a person who wants everything in its honesty given back to him straight whether it is to bless him or curse him. Mrs. Bhatia fails miserably to reassure Rishabh on anything.
As usual you've gotten straight to the crux of the plot. Amazing, how clearly you see the script, while I am still lost in all the cat-and-mouse games.
RK needs to know what happened so much that he forgets his condition to grab Madhu and shake the answer out of her, and yells when he hurts himself. That was a nice touch - very convincing!
And there seethes out the RK out of Rishabh Kundra. The RK who is going to protect Rishabh Kundra from people whom he cannot trust and cannot have any kind of assurance of bonding.
Yes, pity that that's just about everyone surrounding him all these many years.
His RK act gets him the information he was seeking. I feel for this man. It was painful for me to watch Rishabh Kundra's predicament until this point. I mean how he just has to become a mean person to counter meanness around him without any choice.

Yes felt for his helplessness. Although, he didn't let it last long.


Reassurance leading to Trust - between the adversaries RK and Madhubala
Its a very conceited act of RK, which initially the trusting Madhubala doesn't understand and ends up giving away her perturbed expressions at finding out RK-Dips Love story. Is this the man that she knows of him as ? But then, it starts to reassure him that he is on the right track. Then soon the conceited drama hits her and she sees through it to know what RK is upto. A reassured look appears and she watches the rest of the drama unfold. Truth out.

RK and Madhubala come to face each other to address the unsettling question.
Very well put!
Why Madhu donated her blood to RK, a person who inflicted worst kind of torments over her soul and family. Do they trust each other while asking and being asked ? Yes, they do. And what do they do ? RK doesn't yell "OUT" likes he yells at Dips and his mother. Madhu musters her courage to speak up what she has to. She answers him back trustingly, "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" and looks for reassurance that she did the right thing. That vulnerable look of Madhu's; wanting to do the right thing for herself; pushes back RK and brings forth Rishabh Kundra again, a man who wants to care for others, who would assure people that he is there for them.
In allowing herself to be vulnerable, she allows him to lower his guard too.

Rishabh Kundra and RK's concerns have always been not get vulnerable before anyone. They can protect others, but cannot seek help from others. But today the question is going even beyond that. Its time for Rishabh to set aside his vulnerability and take care of the question that Madhu asked him mildly in doubt "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" It had not been an easy act for his adversary in showering her kindness, then can he not shower a little understanding on his adversary for the same. Reassurance leading to Trust. Not that they become lovers or something. They are still adversaries but all in faith.


P.S: When a person comes back to consciousness, it really matters for the person to know what transpired when he was zoned out. And this becomes significant for control-freaks like RK or Rishabh Kundra.
Now that you mention it, he is isn't he!
If one is surrounded by good people around by him/her, the person sets aside the questions for later time even though his mind gnaws to know what happened. This is rarely shown over TV. And in MEIEJ we are seeing it because this is RK who is projected as guy who has his fears and all. But at real, the thing to know is present. First hand example is me.
No wonder the stunning clarity! Enjoyed reading your post SD. I will mull over it some more tomorrow.
Edited by tvbug2011 - 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: himbin

Its not in everyone's capacity to understand this guy...That's why sometimes I feel pity of
Radhaji...She seems to be a good woman but,a weak one...To understand and deal with
RK one needs to be as solid as a Rock...Today RK was indifferent with her and immediately
she left the Hospital crying...She is just not capable to raise a fire ball like RK...
I have a serious suspicion if RK is her real son!!!!😃

I Loved todays episode...Luv Rishabala...😊


The complete analysis was brilliant👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tvbug2011

As usual, some deep thinking here, SD. Way past bedtime so I'm going to dive straight into your post 😊
No wonder the stunning clarity! Enjoyed reading your post SD. I will mull over it some more tomorrow.


tvbug,

Kind words from you. Makes me feel quite proud of myself. Thank you so much for reading and commenting. A long post carries so much risk of being taken as reference for later 😆 I was so so thinking...God! its so long..

SD


P.S: Pls can you give us a better name than tvbug to call you 😉 This place is becoming a club now and we almost hang out here in free time. 😆
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Like I was saying to Pippa, today's episode, although if on surface brought back The RK we know and love, today we completely understand why he is THE RK, how he evolved in that manner and why is so different from Rishabh Kundra. We get to know him through the three female characters he gets to interact today.



I would title today's episode as Trust and Reassurance

Trust and Reassurance - Madhubala the fortunate.
She is no longer confident. She cannot trust herself on what she is doing. What seems right seems wrong also. And what is supposed to be wrong is actually correct as well. She doesn't know what has happened to her or what is happening to her. She is yearning to take care of someone whom she should not care for and who would not allow her to take care. She is upset that she is breaching trust on both family side and also hurting the man by she is supposed to hate.

What kind of dilemma is this ?
And so we have the song. It should have been played today instead of yesterday. But no worries, Episodic screenplay may aisa aage -peeche ho jaata hai, with all those ad breaks, precaps and daybreaks.

However, does this dilemma get resolved for Madhu. Through her mother.
She trusts her mother and she is reassured by her mother that what she feels now is not wrong. She reinstates Madhu's shift of RK view as plausible as RK is not the bad man but a good man, which Madhu could see.

What do we have here ? A beautiful scene that makes us happy looking at the confident mother and reassured daughter. Weren't we all happy when Madhu smiled through her tears ? Under these circumstances, how can anyone say, Madhu is not going to remain innocent and good person all her life (assuming Padmini is going to be like this.)


Trust and Reassurance - Rishabh Kundra the Unfortunate.
He needs to know what happened, when he was unconscious there. And who can he turn to ? He tried to check with his wife. Didn't we all listen how he was addressing her as Madhu trusting her completely. His wife was evasive towards his questions, though her exuberant joyful act gave up on her. He is still smarting to know and there comes his ex-love who jilted him in the past, claiming that she saved him and given him his blood. Can he trust her ? No. But who is going to reassure him that what he thinks is right. That Dips cannot be the person who could save him. Enter his mother. Although Rishabh cannot trust her, but he looked at her with the last straw kind of thing and asked her, who gave him blood. The mother is stupefied. And she looks at her DIL as if that DIL is going to come for her rescue. The mother couldn't even look into her son's eyes and refuse to give answer. She had to act dodgy. Rishabh is a person who wants everything in its honesty given back to him straight whether it is to bless him or curse him. Mrs. Bhatia fails miserably to reassure Rishabh on anything.

And there seethes out the RK out of Rishabh Kundra. The RK who is going to protect Rishabh Kundra from people whom he cannot trust and cannot have any kind of assurance of bonding.

His RK act gets him the information he was seeking. I feel for this man. It was painful for me to watch Rishabh Kundra's predicament until this point. I mean how he just has to become a mean person to counter meanness around him without any choice.

Reassurance leading to Trust - between the adversaries RK and Madhubala
Its a very conceited act of RK, which initially the trusting Madhubala doesn't understand and ends up giving away her perturbed expressions at finding out RK-Dips Love story. Is this the man that she knows of him as ? But then, it starts to reassure him that he is on the right track. Then soon the conceited drama hits her and she sees through it to know what RK is upto. A reassured look appears and she watches the rest of the drama unfold. Truth out.

RK and Madhubala come to face each other to address the unsettling question. Why Madhu donated her blood to RK, a person who inflicted worst kind of torments over her soul and family. Do they trust each other while asking and being asked ? Yes, they do. And what do they do ? RK doesn't yell "OUT" likes he yells at Dips and his mother. Madhu musters her courage to speak up what she has to. She answers him back trustingly, "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" and looks for reassurance that she did the right thing. That vulnerable look of Madhu's; wanting to do the right thing for herself; pushes back RK and brings forth Rishabh Kundra again, a man who wants to care for others, who would assure people that he is there for them.

Rishabh Kundra and RK's concerns have always been not get vulnerable before anyone. They can protect others, but cannot seek help from others. But today the question is going even beyond that. Its time for Rishabh to set aside his vulnerability and take care of the question that Madhu asked him mildly in doubt "Won't you have done the same if I were in your position ?" It had not been an easy act for his adversary in showering her kindness, then can he not shower a little understanding on his adversary for the same. Reassurance leading to Trust. Not that they become lovers or something. They are still adversaries but all in faith.


P.S: When a person comes back to consciousness, it really matters for the person to know what transpired when he was zoned out. And this becomes significant for control-freaks like RK or Rishabh Kundra. If one is surrounded by good people around by him/her, the person sets aside the questions for later time even though his mind gnaws to know what happened. This is rarely shown over TV. And in MEIEJ we are seeing it because this is RK who is projected as guy who has his fears and all. But at real, the thing to know is present. First hand example is me.



Nice take SD!

@bold 👏

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