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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Madhu - the devout girl who thought RK was unreasonable to turn away from God after his father's death, and told him there must surely be some good even in that tragedy - today pretty much promised God that *she* would lose faith if He let RK die.


I didnt like that part, ok? Thats not how one should ask anything from God.. That was the only part in this episode that I didnt like


Peach,

I will explain you what that means. Hindu approach to God is different from Christian approach to God. In Hinduism, we are allowed to have a dialogue with God in our own manner. God becomes everything to us...as in father, mother, sibling, relative, and friend. And that allows us to approach him in any manner we want. Some who love God in such a friendly manner that they treat him with friendly swearings as well. Those who have loved him very much get auto rights to be angry with him. And some pray to him in negotiating style too. It all comes from the person's comfort level with his God. Ultimately God is what we have in our heart, as we imagine him to me.

People who haven't asked God anything, and yet if overwhelming things happen to them, they may just start losing the nerve to keep believing in him or go into extreme state of anger. Because ultimately he is the only who has to listen to our angst. If he will not listen and take care of them, then who will. So that kind of peremptory dialogue with God. It usually resolves in a period of time like children make up with parents.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Is it scientifically possible to come back from the dead the way RK did
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@leelaa9:

I was simply mesmerized by your interpretation of the show.

I only hope that the cvs have this in mind for the serial...you've taken it to a whole new place altogether and, if, indeed, the cvs intend to take this route, MB will be a truly unique serial.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Zoya - I would like to think that it isn't Malik as well but I still wonder if they'll go that way for the drama it would create. If he did do it I don't think it was coming from a entirely rational place, rational in his mind at the time, more of an impulsive move.

@SD - Thanks for your take. I didn't mean to set out to make it sound as if I was saying someone becoming bad in contrast would atone for his sins. I didn't do too good a job of articulating what I was trying to say, just made a jumble of it I'm afraid. Nonetheless, obviously not one of my more thought out theories.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PreetD


@SD - Thanks for your take. I didn't mean to set out to make it sound as if I was saying someone becoming bad in contrast would atone for his sins. I didn't do too good a job of articulating what I was trying to say, just made a jumble of it I'm afraid. Nonetheless, obviously not one of my more thought out theories.



😊 On reading your response, I felt I should reread your post. Pls don't mind my pursuing. Its interesting and so worth it 😆 So your thought ended on the note...Here is the husband whom she cannot forgive and now has or in future whenever that happens, starts loving him...And there is her father, who was the most loved person in her life and now has done an act that is so seemingly unforgivable. How will she deal with these two things ?

Interesting study...
Obviously there will be convincing material enough that allows her to love RK inspite of the reasons not to and reasonably there should be convincing material enough that should allow her to forgive her father even if her morals will not allow her.

And what can resolve dead-ends. Bring in Ballu. Enemy of Madhu. Obviously now those who love Madhu may unite to protect her. 😆 I know this is taking intensity of the angst you wanna see in the above situation, but then this is one drama angle.

Does it add to the plot theme of Ishq & Junoon ? May be...



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Congratz on becoming a dazzler, Sonu.🥳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: leelaa9

Frigging fantastic.⭐️ Ab-so-lute-ly *brilliant*.👏👏👏 The gradual juxtaposition in some points in the character traits of Madhu and RK is mindblowing.

Madhu - the devout girl who thought RK was unreasonable to turn away from God after his father's death, and told him there must surely be some good even in that tragedy - today pretty much promised God that *she* would lose faith if He let RK die.
The subtleties in this Ganeshotsav track have been a trail of gems instead of breadcrumbs.😃
When RK's faith was restored, he received an unusual parting gift from his long-estranged friend Ganpati Bappa - Madhu's slow journey on the path to placing this man she's wedded to above God and every relationship in her life.😳
This is a girl who has never asked the Lord for anything, and just accepted that He would show her a way in every difficulty. However hurtful the path she found, she never asked for an easier way. She asked the Lord for strength always, and counted on her faith to make that strength enough.😊
But today, she finally crossed that Rubicon - for a man she has fought and yet become bonded to on a level that goes beyond coherence and thought, reason and logic.😳
And this is only the first time she will face such a Rubicon.
Today, she held onto her faith at her unbreathing husband's side - because if the Lord failed her, if He ignored what she had threatened and promised, she would lose both Him and her husband.
She would lose RK to his friend Bappa, and she herself would lose her faith in Him to the void of hurt of knowing the Lord she trusted absolutely had failed her when it mattered most.
What she had considered unreasonable in RK and made excuses to Bappa for, she had not the slightest qualm or hesitation in taking up the same approach.
How strange are the Lord's ways that in seeking to assuage the hurt of one beloved devotee and win him back, He was willing to watch another beloved devotee deprioritize Him in that other's favour.😊
'Tvameva matacha pita tvameva...' The prayer which states that the Lord is mother and father, sibling and friend. True indeed. Who but the one who is all relations would be willing to place His devotees' wellbeing so highly.
Today, what mattered more than the miracle of Rishabh being restored to life - more even than Rishabh acknowledging openly the faith he has never truly given up on, and setting aside his grudge against his divine friend - was Madhu taking that first major step away from the simple devout girl she has always been.
A girl who was straightforward, naively idealistic, and for whom her mother and foster father mattered immensely.
Today she faced off against the very Lord she has trusted no matter what until now - for a man she acknowledges only duty and commitment to, but feels for on the most inherent primal plane.
And so too, she may someday have to face off against the mortals she adores and choose that man over them all, however much it may agonize her.
That day may not be in the near future, but when it comes, will the girl who told Bappa so clearly that she would lose faith in Him if anything happened to RK truly take any other path?
She may hesitate and dither with mortals as she did not with Him. She may even perhaps choose them briefly. But will the Lord who has gone to such lengths to unite his two beloved devotees permit such qualms to weigh with her when push comes to shove? Really don't think so.
Another point which came up at the end of today's ep was the shooter. Articles have implied that Shamsher Mallick being suspected of shooting RK would lead to Madhu returning to her maayka.
Until the end of today's ep, it seemed assured that RK accepting Mallick as being to blame would be outlandish and unreasonable. But no longer.
Mallick is hot-tempered and dotes on his daughter. He landed in the hospital after trying to physically harm RK, in the process humiliating Bittuji by almost pulling his trousers off, and smashing sundry other people around.
Bittuji's rage at the man was quite understandable for both the personal humiliation and the attempt to harm his 'Chief'. He overreacted much as Mallick had, and made physical violence a stick with which to beat the one who brought it in.
But would Mallick have been more restrained if he had free hand to harm RK? Would he not then have stopped short at the same point - just a little shy of killing?
And so, if the shooter Kukku hired to fake underworld connections did *not* shoot RK, why would it be unreasonable of RK to believe Shamsher is capable of such an action?
Shamsher's character is inclined to striking openly.
But would not a father believing his daughter to be enduring hyperbolic torture in a 'living hell' not be willing to set aside a lifetime's principles of courage and striking from the front to rather do whatever it takes to free her at the soonest from the 'nightmare' she was in?
I truly do not consider it to the detriment of Mallick's character as a righteous person, no matter whether he did shoot RK or not. Either option upholds a virtue. Either courage and integrity, or paternal protectiveness willing even to be murderous.
It will shatter Madhu if she refuses to believe the accusation, and it finally turns out to be true. But she will surely at some point understand the emotions that would guide such an action.
Also, there is RK - with a father who apparently took a coward's approach and killed himself, abandoning his wife and son to face the music, and a mother who believes her son to be at fault in every matter rather than admit even to herself that she erred grievously in the person she chose as her second husband and a father for Rishabh.
Will RK not to some extent understand the impulse driving a father who is proactively protective as Mohan Kundra apparently was not?
He already has reason to understand that Madhu's mother Padmini - RK's own saasuma - is nothing like his own mother Radha, though he does not yet wish to acknowledge this, perhaps for fear of examining yet another in his formidable repertoire of emotional hurts.
Today, in the scenes that overtly showcased faith, I saw yet another aspect of faith - that of Goddess Kali the Destroyer, whose rage once ignited could be stopped in its tracks only by her absolute love for her husband and her regard for him.
Today, for a husband she does not love and yet could not countenance the thought of losing to the Lord they both adore, she was willing to turn away from that Lord if her first ever plea/demand were not met.
What of when she does love Rishabh? What lines will she not be willing to cross then?
Rishabh is becoming more caring, more protective, more gentle for her, but I doubt that she will ever cease to be his berserk button.
And when he too becomes *her* berserk button, when she stands in his defence and support for all, what a formidable pairing they will make, capable of being buffetted only by each other and yet holding fast no matter what.😳
To see what misunderstandings may develop and where his ego may fail when he raises her up to stardom is going to be magnificent with such a love as the canvas on which the vision of ishq and junoon will emerge.


Hi Leela,

You need to write often yar. I am going to save this part of ur writing with me, to find some logics in the future track. 😊 Keep writing like this.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manonids

Hi Leela,

You need to write often yar. I am going to save this part of ur writing with me, to find some logics in the future track. 😊 Keep writing like this.

Thank you for the very generous compliment, Nids.😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: nlm4

@leela,loved ure episodic analysis.it was awesome that a staunch believer like madhu was ready to let go of her faith,if rk didnt make thru.

Has rk become her everything now,is she aware of what she has said,have to wait and watch now.

Thanks, dear.😳 What do I address you as?
I wanted to explore further Madhu re. her faith, her marriage and RK. Please, do check in on https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/67186876.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: himbin

Thanks so much, Hima.Embarrassed
As I wrote, I don't think it would reflect ill on Shamsher if he's willing to commit murder in a backstabbing fashion to protect his daughter from what he believes to be a 'living hell' where she's being hyperbolically 'tortured'.
Rather, it would be a testament to the strength of his love for his daughter that he would be willing to go so completely against everything his character has held to until now.
Regardless of whether or not Shamsher is the shooter, Madhu can be proud to be his daughter.😊
To hold onto one's principles at the cost of one's loved ones, I do not find admirable.Ouch I disliked Madhu doing so, and deluding herself that her 'fight for justice' would have her opponent quietly turning the other cheek when even the wronged party was amenable to a settlement. Her actions were a guarantee of grief for her loved ones, and if she had thought it through and accepted such a price, it would be a different matter. Ruthless and cold-blooded for one's principles. But that's not Madhu. Gentle and selfless, she would never *choose* to sacrifice someone else for her own ends.Embarrassed So her course of action, and being horrified at the repercussions were ludicrously naive, representing the unrealisitic idealism she clung to.Ouch
If Shamsher is the shooter, then this violence is as different from Ballu's as light from dark.😊 Ballu would sacrifice anyone and anything for himself.🤢
Shamsher - if he is indeed the culprit - will have chosen to sacrifice every ideal, principle and characterisitic that has ever mattered to him for his daughter's sake. However mistaken his foundation for such a decision, neither Madhu nor Padmini have given him reason to believe that Madhu was not being an unretaliating brutalized victim.😕 They permitted the hyperbolic impression to stand.Ouch He cannot then be blamed for reacting accordingly.
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