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zoya_naziya

@zoya_naziya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Someone translate it for me please...

I don't understand the underlying meaning but ya this is the literal translation.. May be the ghalib fans would give a better explanation of this ghazal:)

Edited by zoya_naziya - 12 years ago

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Sonu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
N what did he mean by don't ever let go of your attitude? I quite did not get the meaning... Did he mean don't soften your stance towards me?

This is what I think..

For RK, one thing that stood out about Madhu was that she was unlike any other girls he had seen so far.. What attracted her to him was that she was unaffected by his name, his superstar status and his looks... She doesnt hesitate to say what she thinks about him to his face.. He admires her courage and also her strength.. May be somewhere deep inside his heart he also admires her for standing up to him and against his bullying.. He enjoys being around the Madhu who talks back to him.. Her attitude towards him is a major part of his attraction for her..

He is affected whenever Madhu's eyes fill.. More than her words it is always her eyes that talk to him.. Remember the night of the party when he announced he was going to kiss her. Madhu was looking at him so soulfully that he let her go.. While letting her go, he doesnt admit that it was she who made him change his mind, instead he makes another dialogue about her not being worthy of his kiss.. Here too, his heart was touched by Madhu's words.. By saying those words to her, he was indirectly warning her not to come too close to him.. And in telling her that, he was also reminding himself that this girl spells trouble with capital T..

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Sonu

@applenpeaches

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

I don't understand the underlying meaning but ya this is the literal translation

Doesnt that mean that 'You have already made me fall for you without trying and I feel the pain of being in love.. If you really tried, how much would the pain be..' ??? Or something similar????

Edited by applenpeaches - 12 years ago

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Foucaults-qalam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Doesnt that mean that 'You have already made me fall for you without trying and I feel the pain of being in love.. If you really tried, how much would the pain be..' ??? Or something similar????

Sorry, i had to go and attend RL. In this context, the restlessness 'khalish' comes from that neither of them know what's going on. If it was love, 'jigar ke paar' they would not have been so restless. There is no subject object here. BOth are victimes without agency.

The whole ghazal is about lack of fulfillment, lack ot intention and the viscous space between certainty and uncertainty. It is laced with doubt, it plumbs the interstices of communication. I love it.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: Foucaults-qalam

SD especially for you, as we are at ghalib. The restlessness, ignorance of their fate.

A half love, a story half told, a truth half realised. I give you:

koee mere dil se pooche tere teer-e-neemkash ko
ye KHalish kahaaN se hotee jo jigar ke paar hota

FQ, Thank you. VM

Beautifully expressed through this sher. That is what they are going through now. Angst, anxiety, restlessness, ignorance, the whilsts and wherefore !! OMG !!! The anguish before completely taken in love and given in love...

Can I just hug you ? 🤗

I may not be an expressive person emotions-wise or may not even know how to do things right when in love, BUT, I have been there. It feels like it.

And that phase is beauty in itself, a poem, a suspended state, a yearning state...

And I have seen the Ishq of that aatish type as well. 😊

I fell in love twice. Scorpio (sun sign-wise) that I am. Imagine how intense it can be if I fall in love 😆

P.S: I am back. Enjoying my ice-cream

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: Foucaults-qalam
Ghalib is by far one of favourite poets.

I don't know Urdu. Only that much as much Bollywood trained me. But of all poets, Ghalib is one source of wisdom and quietude to me. Explains inexplicable things.

Then another source of quietude is the soofi-wisdom and the soofi music.

I wish I had known Urdu or for that matter even Hindi. Some of the Hindi poets too amaze me. Just love them.

My biggest issue is that I do not have good memory and so cannot produce anything. Things come to just like that out of somewhere shoved in my head or heart, but never much remember to know what I would have liked to say. I cannot hum songs because, I cannot remember lyrics. I cannot quote poets or poetry, because I don't remember, I cannot be a good Finance specialist because I cannot remember formulae by heart, I left science because I could not stuff things in my brain. I realised that I needed to read, absorb and put my faculties to work at hand. Merge yourself in work, and then it will come by and by...

Sorry for the ramble...but this is my life. If I had memory, I would have been a different person, different vocation...much different.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

[QUOTE=applenpeaches]

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
N what did he mean by don't ever let go of your attitude? I quite did not get the meaning... Did he mean don't soften your stance towards me?

This is what I think..

For RK, one thing that stood out about Madhu was that she was unlike any other girls he had seen so far.. What attracted her to him was that she was unaffected by his name, his superstar status and his looks... She doesnt hesitate to say what she thinks about him to his face.. He admires her courage and also her strength.. May be somewhere deep inside his heart he also admires her for standing up to him and against his bullying.. He enjoys being around the Madhu who talks back to him.. Her attitude towards him is a major part of his attraction for her..

He is affected whenever Madhu's eyes fill.. More than her words it is always her eyes that talk to him.. Remember the night of the party when he announced he was going to kiss her. Madhu was looking at him so soulfully that he let her go.. While letting her go, he doesnt admit that it was she who made him change his mind, instead he makes another dialogue about her not being worthy of his kiss.. Here too, his heart was touched by Madhu's words.. By saying those words to her, he was indirectly warning her not to come too close to him.. And in telling her that, he was also reminding himself that this girl spells trouble with capital T..

Agree

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-MeMyselfI

@-MeMyselfI

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Is it just me or was Madhu not as shocked as she should have been over Dips' story?

and what did Dips mean she went through the same thing that Madhu did and was used by RK as well? Does she think RK is forcing himself on Madhu?

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#59

Originally posted by: -Huma-
Is it just me or was Madhu not as shocked as she should have been over Dips' story?

and what did Dips mean she went through the same thing that Madhu did and was used by RK as well? Does she think RK is forcing himself on Madhu?

Hahahaaa 😆

That's why I dismiss that whole track as million dollar question. I am not least bothered with the results of that lottery.

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-MeMyselfI

@-MeMyselfI

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#60

Originally posted by: shridevigaddam

Hahahaaa 😆
That's why I dismiss that whole track as million dollar question. I am not least bothered with the results of that lottery.

you know Dips didnt act as well as she should have...RK kay saamnay toh she was claiming to be such a good actress...😆...I dont think Seema Mishra messed up as she has been doing an outstanding job..Madhu must not be supposed to be convinced by her acting then...I just want this mystery to be over..and lets move on to the Sultan Don track..😡..If the plan is to keep the viewers glued to the friday's epi, don track would have worked better over the Dips giving money track..besides to an average viewer it looks like MB has already accepted her offer..

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