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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ bhoomi. I will only say: remy martin VSOP.

I had not intended Deepali to be the predator. She is merely another predator, who's sexual aggression causes RK to revert to Rishab and thus become immensely vulnerable.

I suspect that Kukku was directly or indirectly involved with the sexual abuse. Perhaps Sikky is the culprit? He is older than Rishab, and perhaps that could be why RK is so overtly violent and threatening towards him as an adult.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ FG i salute your post. It shows incredible strength to have confronted and emerged from such situations.

The whole issue of mental health is such a sitgmatised one, especially in India. Its portrayals on screen and on TV are so absurd that frankly, there should be a court order against them for misrepresentation of facts and spreading misinformation.


I have friends from immensely powerful families-- rich, cosmopolitan, playing polo in Monaco types, who are unable to accept, wholesale, that one of their children has dyslexia. And i watch this poor boy, now RK's age, suffer through a world that his brain sees differently without any help, and i want to KICK people.


I don't think RK ever saw a shrink, and his mother was too weak and vaccilating to have insisted that he do so. No wonder he is so absurdly erratic in his behaviour, and his money and power magnifies his absurdity.

If you ask me, everyone in today's world should see a shrink.

But in a society as repressed as India, the need is especially urgent.



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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

But our Indian society sees seeking any sort of psychological help as a taboo, that it ends up creating lots of weirdos in the society.
As it stands, Indian attitudes to personal relationships is highly complex. Added to it there is no outside psychological help.

Unlike reel life, in real life the wifes are not super woman silently bearing all assaults on her dignity and person (I am not talking about physical assault, but rather of the mental kind). So here I am. I usually bury my head in the sand and forget unpleasant issues- doesnt make it go away but, dulls the pain... So probably this will be the last time, you will see this referred. And I would rather you too never mention it again..
I won't. But allow me to salute you and your courage.

PTSD is very severe for a child to bear alone. When not treated properly it creates all sorts of mental imbalances in the child, which the child learns to mask under his ego and arrogance.. Just like bhoomi mentioned, he grows into a supremely confident man believing he is the center of the universe he inhibits.

RK sees his mother's marriage as betrayal and grows to hate her. He allows her to stay on in his house and tolerates her new family as well. He is lonely as only such a person can be. Its very difficult for him to let any one near. One man army- no pun regarding the personas trapped inside him.. He is emotionally detached from everyone else.. He is not emotionally attached to anyone else.. With Madhu his mask slipped bcos he allowed her a glimpse into his heart, his feelings and his emotions...

Re. Dipali.. Dont think he was physically intimate with her.. Probably saw his temper tantrums during his mother's marriage (My second post).. Thats the only reason I think he is not pushing her away unlike others..

That could be possible, especially if she's a childhood acquaintance. He's very wary of her. And all those lines about gussa ya taqleef, she's a sadist, methinks. Or at least a true believer of schadenfraude. She has fun getting her darts through people's armours. Sick.

@SD.. reply to your post after paet puja (hope i got the spelling right)..

- FG



I just realized RK's life is all about power and knowledge. Not the Baconian 'Knowledge is power' but more on the lines of Foucault's construct on power/knowledge : in knowing about somebody we control them and in controlling them, we know.
Which probably explains why he is so private. He fears loss of control/power.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Foucaults-qalam

@ bhoomi. I will only say: remy martin VSOP.
😃 Has that got anything to do with your rapping?
😃


I had not intended Deepali to be the predator. She is merely another predator, who's sexual aggression cause RK to revert to Rishab and thus become immensely vulnerable.

I suspect that Kukku was directly or indirectly involved with the sexual abuse. Sikky is older than Rishab, and perhaps that could be why RK is so overtly violent and threatening towards him as an adult.

No, I understand that. I was simply confused about who the abuser could be. I didn't want to deal with the possibility of it being Kukku. But since you have said it, I agree that it is extremely possible. In fact, it is a given that Kukku has abused RK in some way, if not sexual.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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I just realized RK's life is all about power and knowledge. Not the Baconian 'Knowledge is power' but more on the lines of Foucault's construct on power/knowledge : in knowing about somebody we control them and in controlling them, we know.
Which probably explains why he is so private. He fears loss of control/power.

Bee, love your so cleverly referenced philosophers from two different periods and ideologies! i would throw in an entirely different, non-european stream into the cocktail. Hurrah, mixed metaphors r us! One that SD references occasionally and which RK has himself referred to-- that of knowledge of self. He has confessed he is ignorant of self. RK does not know what RK is. The greeks called it ????? sea?t??, but the idea is eastern in origin, and is , as you know, the ultimate aim of several Indian philosophical systems.

This may be an entirely superficial idea, where the unresolved state that RK is in is concerned, but it is also telling. He is too ignorant to understand his own behavioural stimuli or impulses. He does not know that loss of control makes him angry. To me, he just reacts. If he thought for one moment why he did it, he would not. Just as anger is impossible when we allow our minds to rationally parse a given situation.


I have mentioned this several times in this forum that RK isn't the strange specimen we are allowed to ogle at and dissect. HE is the normative one. He is us. It is Madhu who is the abnormal one.

The resolved, evolved being who shall be his salvation.

Eta:

turns out IF doesn't accept greek letters. They are just Greek letters IF, not Greek letters of credit. Don't be mean!

Gnothi seauton is what i meant by the question marks, as you would have guessed.

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SD,
re Indian men's virginity and flirtatious nature... The popular opinion is that a manly man needs an outlet for their frustration in that respect until marriage.. Society infact willingly accepts such men with open arms.. That why men are praised as playboys and women are degraded to s**ts and wh**es. Talk about double faced society! But I digress...For most men its peer pressure that turns them into flirt and, with the others their own suppressed sexual desires unless he finds his satisfaction before marriage.

re Security Net
The lack of a security net in his life had a large role to play in shaping the man he is today. Though he is outwardly angry at his mother, he is unable to cut himself off from her completely. So her presence in her life and her new family.

re Flirting with Madhu.
I think he hasnt done it so far is just bcos it never crossed his mind that he can frustrate her doing so. Given his changed relationship with Madhu, he wont be able to revert back to his old hard self with her again. So I guess, we will soon be seeing a new RK who will start flirting with her..
re Dipali
Before I begin let me just say her behavior disgusts me. Whatever her past with RK, he is now her brother-in-law and she his sister-in-law.. I have never been able to stand men or women who are unfaithful in their marriage. (Thats the old fashioned me talking..)
I stand by my new theory regarding Dipali's connection with his past. Nothing else to me justifies his silence at her behavior given his obvious disgust and his perceived all strong and all powerful image.

"Ma ke doodh ke dhuke Indian Men" (Have no clue what this means 😳 )

re Star Questions
Let me just brood about it a bit and come up with answers justifying my brilliant brains.. 😆 Which translated to simple words mean that I am clueless..

re Rajesh Khanna
Didnt even know about him loving Anju Mahendru.. 😳

re Ego
Yes Yes and Yes.. Nicely put...

re Dipali being his puppet
Looks to more like the role is reversed here.

re Your Q&A
Brilliant questions and equally brilliant answers..

re Freud ==> Id + Ego + Super Ego
I agree..

re Kundalini Chakras ==> the coiled Kundalini energy as it tries to soar up crossing the seven whorls. from Tamsik to Rajsik to Satvik spheres (Base bodily needs and instincts to moral to spiritual explorations)
You go out of my zone of brilliance... I confess I am 😕 at your theory and 😳 at my ignorance..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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FQ and B (short and sweet with all its associated meaning..)

I disagree with the child sexual abuse theory for his hatred of kukuji.. He hates him for having married his mother.. If kukuji had abused him, he wont even be tolerating his presence at his home right now and he would be seen nervous or awkward in his presence.. He is neither.. He is his usual arrogant self..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Re Indian men. Let me just say here in case my position is misunderstood: I am biased. Severely biased. I want to kick most of them very hard in the knackers.

They are the most disgusting, repressed, multiple standard following, hypocritical, unthinking, convenient way out taking, misogynist idiots on the planet.

There, In the interests of due disclosure, my position is now clear.
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

FQ and B (short and sweet with all its associated meaning..)

I disagree with the child sexual abuse theory for his hatred of kukuji.. He hates him for having married his mother.. If kukuji had abused him, he wont even be tolerating his presence at his home right now and he would be seen nervous or awkward in his presence.. He is neither.. He is his usual arrogant self..


FG, we posit that kukky enabled the abuse. Not that he was the abuser.

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