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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe


I couldn't agree more with Ksh on this.

I have to mention here and it may be a bit tangential, but nevertheless still relative to the question at hand...in my opinion or understanding, when I am a 'fan' of someone, it means that I hold that person's work in very high regard and esteem...when I say I am a fan of someone, it means that I respect their talent and that a piece of work they are doing or have done in the past has deeply touched or resonated with me. It extends solely and singly to the body of work and talent that I recognize. That is what I respect and admire, not the actors or actresses themselves as people. I do not sign up to be their agent, manager, publicist or even a chamcha who will stand by them in all that they do, be it right or wrong, come rain or fire. Because to be very honest, once again in only my humble opinion which many might disagree with, being a fan of a PERSON whom we don't personally know of, just based on a character they have played on a visual medium is not only illogical but very odd. When we start mooning over someone without even knowing how that person is in their day to day demeanour...or when we start defending that person as if they can do absolutely no wrong because of a sense of 'loyalty' we feel towards them...that type of person worshipping is not only highly misplaced but also faulty.

We grow up in life and even are taught educationally to perceive things with a thinking and critical mind...the point is not to criticize or look for something amiss in the things around us, or in the papers we read, or in the people we meet or hear or read or talk about...the point is to develop that trait of being able to think for yourself. Then why, if we admire someone's work or even their personality if it may be so, should we stop thinking for ourselves or offering what we might feel about a situation? As long as it is done sincerely, truthfully and presented in a civilized manner, I see absolutely no harm, and in fact actually the presence of an open environment in which people are free to express what they feel.

With MR fans especially, I don't think this is a problem...most of us are vocal about our opinions with regards to him, which is only naturally valid and well. As long as it is not done with ill-intention, I ask again...what is the harm? If someone says that MR may read it by some chance and feel slighted...well then, the world is a big playground...and it's not always goodness, praises and all the other rosy things in the world for every kid, who has to go out and step into it at one time or another...be it him or any other random person walking on the road, we have to face up to our part of criticism and take into account other people's opinions to evolve and grow as human beings. It is not a bad process, to be the critically thinking person or the one at the receiving end. It is natural, only instinctual...a learning curve.

And suppose even if we say for a minute...that yes, we shouldn't extend criticism to someone who we are fans of on the merit of being 'true fans'...then what is the limit for that? When and how do we define something that is worthy of criticism and something that is not? Once you turn off your mind or personal opinion for the sake of being a true or supportive fan...you risk being blind-sided about things that you would otherwise find different with your sense of reasoning intact. Take the example of Karan Singh Grover's fans for a moment...they became such true and honest fans of their favourite indeed that even when he was found as responsible of something despicable like three timing his wife, dance partner and co-actress, they continued being as madly infatuated with him as they were on first day. And their reasoning was that it was his 'personal life'...that they were no one to judge, that it didn't reflect or leave any stain on what they thought of him or the part he was playing on screen. For them, it was only la la land. Who cares about reality? As long as they can exist in the fantasy of whatever it is that they belong to in their heads...it really didn't matter. I honestly ask anyone in this forum or even on IF...what does that say about a person who thinks as such? How much has their personal opinion, instinctual reasoning and moral epicentre deteriorated to make them a 'true fan'...when they cannot even think right from wrong any more in lieu of being 'never changing' and upstanding supporters of a person or cause, anything on this planet, which is susceptible to error?

So if MR fans give their opinions...let them. It shows that they are thinking people rather than blind supporters. That is something to be appreciated, not a problem or issue.

Well said Fatty! Esp the bold bit. About supporting/criticizing stars about their personal lives Ive seen a lot of that happen all around the internet. But then can we truly take a stand on things like whether someone cheated his wife/dumped his girlfriend etc etc? But most people behave as if they are a fly in the wall of the houses of their favorite stars. I will simply judge a star by what he presents to the audience publicly ie his work, media interactions and perhaps his social appearances.
That way I think MR has done the right thing by staying away from the spotlight when he has nothing to speak about. And his leftover fans have been quiet supportive of him.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Make-Believe, i agree with your whole post. Stranger to rose, i would like to point out something look what happend to SA, he's a recent example, even his fans were saying don't play Dutta that MR is dutta but others who were supporting him, because they wanted him back no matter what, we all know what happened there . not in a single scene he convinced ANYONE including his fans of the role of Dutta bhau. so should we say he was the better judge? no, if i was true fan i would hate to see an admired actor to be so degraded for his role... in the end people learn by their own mistakes or human beings make mistakes all the time so will actors pick wrong roles sometimes. but as their audiences we can put our opinions forward as to what we prefer to see our favourite perfomers in.
on the other hand sometimes we go too far about appearences, but that's the kind of world we live in these days, it's all about the look, whether its overweight or size zero, or r the shades of lipstick, we do not let it go witout adding our 2 bits worth. i myself have been guilty of sometime saying OMG. even when i'm no expert . which is how it pretty much is these days ... so i as a proud MR fan NOT dewani only admire his acting would say please let us put our two bits worth, that come back only when you are convinced that whatever you are doing is right for you. i don't know of anyone who get's100% good work all the time., all we can say is good luck and all the best. and i want others to appreciate his work as much as i do.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

About supporting/criticizing stars about their personal lives Ive seen a lot of that happen all around the internet. But then can we truly take a stand on things like whether someone cheated his wife/dumped his girlfriend etc etc? But most people behave as if they are a fly in the wall of the houses of their favorite stars. I will simply judge a star by what he presents to the audience publicly ie his work, media interactions and perhaps his social appearances.

That way I think MR has done the right thing by staying away from the spotlight when he has nothing to speak about. And his leftover fans have been quiet supportive of him.


I dunno Ksh, how about expressing disapproval if not outright disgust, as would be worthy for anyone committing such things? The difference is that people defend this behaviour with their twisted delusions and logic to justify it to themselves and others as if it is actually true and they are worthy of some kind of honour, being the mahaan fans who still stand by their favourites no matter what. If you don't call something out to be wrong when and as you see it, you make two wrongs instead of one...ek toh chori upar se seena zori waali hi baat hogai. Personally, I would have a hard time following such a person any more, be it with regards to his/her work or even personal life, but that's just me...ek dafa kisi cheez se dil utar jaata hai, uske baad I don't think there's really any draw left in it.

About this leftover fans business...I only skim through the forum generally so not quite sure, but I get the vibe that many people feel as if the amount of MR's fans has decreased, or that they have 'left' him and moved on to other things, etc. To be honest, I think if he was to come back today, we would all be running back into this forum falling over each other at an absolute moment's notice. There are many people who were a part of this place, big fans of LTL and MR, who are not here any more due to the lack of material for discussion, opportunity, time, whatever it may be...but I'm deeply confident that they feel still as highly of the show and even the actors in it as they did then. So anyone who feels that thode bohot hi fans reh gaye hain who care...don't take it dil pe. People who have appreciated him previously will do so always and again when he appears in something that deserves their appreciation. Good work will get noticed, if and whenever it happens!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe


I dunno Ksh, how about expressing disapproval if not outright disgust, as would be worthy for anyone committing such things? The difference is that people defend this behaviour with their twisted delusions and logic to justify it to themselves and others as if it is actually true and they are worthy of some kind of honour, being the mahaan fans who still stand by their favourites no matter what. If you don't call something out to be wrong when and as you see it, you make two wrongs instead of one...ek toh chori upar se seena zori waali hi baat hogai. Personally, I would have a hard time following such a person any more, be it with regards to his/her work or even personal life, but that's just me...ek dafa kisi cheez se dil utar jaata hai, uske baad I don't think there's really any draw left in it.
Regarding personal life I feel its tough to take a stand without knowing the facts from BOTH sides. But yes when something is GLARING in the face through media coverage its best to use one's own judgement rather than go red in the face defending someone without even knowing him personally. And know what giving criticism at the right time WILL help your object of affection rather than blind support.
About this leftover fans business...I only skim through the forum generally so not quite sure, but I get the vibe that many people feel as if the amount of MR's fans has decreased, or that they have 'left' him and moved on to other things, etc. To be honest, I think if he was to come back today, we would all be running back into this forum falling over each other at an absolute moment's notice. There are many people who were a part of this place, big fans of LTL and MR, who are not here any more due to the lack of material for discussion, opportunity, time, whatever it may be...but I'm deeply confident that they feel still as highly of the show and even the actors in it as they did then. So anyone who feels that thode bohot hi fans reh gaye hain who care...don't take it dil pe. People who have appreciated him previously will do so always and again when he appears in something that deserves their appreciation. Good work will get noticed, if and whenever it happens!
About leftover fans...I am one of those who feel so. But I dont really grudge anyone for moving on even if they have forgotten an actor called Mishal Rajeha exists. I am guilty of doing the same in my previous shows. The other day I had a funny encounter with an Apoorva fan. She said she was hurt by my comments about him as I called him a bad actor. It was strange seeing that as once upon a time I was a HUGE Apoorva fangirl. I joined IF to defend him. 🤔So times change...people move on.
As for Mishal I am confident about the career choices he has made so far. Yes I am a little restless to see him onscreen but thats about it. And I do hope he is keeping away from bad habits that plague the rich and the famous. I am sure if he comes back with something good whether his old fans flock back to watch him he will get a new set of fans like he got for LTL.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Coming to your post Rosie...
Many have already given their wonderful opinions...

I will continue as per your points...

PHD Anniversary bash: I don't think that his looks were criticized in a manner that it could hurt him... However I never disliked him in any avatar... But my fellow members also didn't give any harsh opinion... it was just their opinion that emerged from their hearts on the instance they saw those pics... but those were not harsh... A celebrity has to go through both negative and positive reviews... And if we are only giving positive review on those matters also which seem to be not at par excellence... that is I think called buttering... Limiting your views to 'I don't like' or ' I like'... will only emerge another question and reason for ... 'Why didn't like'... So its better we support our opinion with a suitable reason... rather than just saying.. 'I didn't like'... If the actor is going to read only 'I didn't like'... how will he know that where he has to improve...

Mishal being considered for VS:
Here I think you haven't checked all the posts at VS thread... In my opinion... there were 85% of the fans who were ready to accept him as VS regardless of channel still being Colors... Only 15% of his fans were not wanting to see him in that role just because of Channel... otherwise... 100% were sure that MR would have rocked as VS... And the 100% of the fans are those who had taken extreme measures to protect their favourite actor when the same channel was trying to defame him... So I think counting this issue in your post was not required...

Denim Shirt... I agree that we don't throw away any dress after wearing it once.. twice ... or thrice... But this was still one opinion of his true fans... who want to see him in different colours, different attires... regarding making fun... come on dear... I don't think Mishal would have even taken it seriously if he had read those funny comments... He is a celebrity... If people adore their favourite actor/actress... they also sometimes make fun of them... And yes there are limits to these types of funs... It wasn't mocking... It was just fun... And nothing till date has gone out of limits...

At school Appearance: Can you point me to the post where he was truly criticized??? I didn't find anybody criticizing him... If someone pointed out about his eye... then it was due to concern... If someone pointed at his pony/hairstyle, then it was again for assumption of his fans that he might be growing up his hair for some role etc... I don't think you have read all posts at that thread... otherwise... this was not the issue to be mentioned in this post...

Regarding NB and his consideration for Zee show: I have already given my view on this matter in various posts at this thread...

Last... your declaration that you are optimist and cheerful person... thats why this criticism was getting on to your nerves... Rosie... I would like to tell you that if a person is really optimistic... he/she would find good points in the most dull negative criticism also... So its better we should try to find positivity in negativity also... Try to get life from the death also...

Hopefully my opinion wasn't hurtful... 😳




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi rose red obvious choice for u 😊...why did this ? arised ...mish is actually very fortunate ...he has strong fan base ...its him & him on the forum ...most ppl want him to maintain the std he have set ...they may give suggestion ...its like before you venture out we take the opinion within fly ...we give honest view ...

the choice of role ...he 'll have the final say ...i personally was against veer shivaji role ...a serial can never do justice to historical character ...channels shouldn't attempt it to ...i 'm history student most of the historical serial including shivaji doesn't do justice ...it requires 70mm screen & 3hrs ...streching for yrs ...is fidgeting with history ...no gurille warfare ,conquest of forts ...there is lot to shivaji or chandragupt murya ...the budget doesn't do justice ...serials are not doing well ...trp proves it ...thankfully he didn't take up

just to be visible taking up any role ...is death of a real actor ...ltl wasn't a female oriented show ...the name itself suggested it was luv story ...with a difference

i don't think mish would have achieved same success or fan base if he was acting in laddo or bairy piya ...even a good performer need a good story

i actually like his recent appereance after long time ...😊i hope he takes wise decision ...we are all there to support him

plz gals critism should be constructive & rose too has a point
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sona89

plz gals critism should be constructive & rose too has a point

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Word! u too have a point here sona😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@stranger2rose - Rosie, I don't interact much on this forum anymore as the waiting is just going on too long now and no, I have no interest in any serial at the moment. I tried to watch Mi Aaji Aur Sahib on Imagine for the sheer beauty of an innocent relationship between a child and her Sahib but don't like the way the story is proceeding with love interest and all. Anyways, I clicked the like button to support you for your openness to express your feelings. I am 99% sure that all LTL1 fans are still lurking on this forum as I can see from their periodic post and by the number of view on the threads. Although it may seem that there are some negative comments about MR specifically I believe wholeheartedly that it is just because of the love and admiration for him that there is any kind of comments at all on this forum. I can also see from the comments on the forum that not many think highly of Mahi's acting skills or for that matter the character of Nakusha at times during the serial telecast but IMO each person is an individual, there is no 2 persons alike in the entire world that have the same personality, or skill set and I doubt if anyone else could have played her character as good as she did nor would we LTL1 fans have accepted had she been replaced during the serial airing. There is one statement that I want to make here that got me thinking about how I react to things and have decided to make a conscious effort to change my attitude, My daughter told me that I see the glass half empty and not half full so I am negative and pessimistic. You know what Rosie, she is quite right, I do look at things this way. So take heart, I truly don't believe any comments on this thread from any of the LTL1 fans are meant to hurt MR, MV, any of the other LTL1 cast and not even the LTL2 cast as persons and certainly not to each other as we all have grown to care for each other on this forum although we don't know each other on a close personal relationship. TC Rosie, Your expressions and opinions matter just as everyone else. Alex
Edited by alex1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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rosie..

well written post coming straight from the heart.😊!
it has been an year and we are trying to keep the forum alive. but all the topics that can be discussed are already discussed to death.
so when we see a new scrap of any info.. be it any news articles, new look, new pics or new show.. we grab it with both hands and discuss it minutely.. may be going out line sometimes... but i dont think anyone means to hurt or cause any offence to Mishal.. this entire forum is going strong at that name.. how can we hurt the very reason of us all being here.😊...
being a fan should not take away the right to say .. it is not right when things are wrong..
but borrowing quote from bharati..
And thanx to your timely advice, will be more cautious n make sure that i dont end up hurting more than contributing to his cause😊.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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having said the above..

i dont think Mishal has done anything wrong..
his life, his looks, his wardrobe, his right to choose his comeback, his decision..
we can but wonder, crib and complain😆..
but i maintain the people here could never think of hurting him.. or hurting the fellow forum members dear.😊

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