Are you really Dutta? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Elysia

If perfection is the standard that LTL held in 2010, then yes, I'm after perfection and I'll keep fighting to get it back until LTL ends or MR leaves 😃

Originally posted by: brvr

Like ur tenacity 😊

Then you're the only one who does Thanks, dear. Means a lot to me

Originally posted by: Elysia

Obsessing over Kala? Did you actually read what I wrote in context? 25 years, Huma. 25 years of pretended love, of maternal touches that concealed a hatred so strong that the woman wanted her own brother dead. Naku's love is a strong support. It showed even back during the DP track. But love, in this case, has nothing to do with Dutta's process of his sister's betrayal. This doesn't have anything to do with Naku. This has everything to do with Dutta and Kala's relationship from before Naku was even present in his life. The most natural thing for a human like Dutta would be to think about Kala right now, about the past years, their childhood - it would be natural of him to connect things in a different way now and hurt. Then comes in Naku's love that soothes him and gives him strength to endure this hurt. But the process before is rather important.

Of course it has lots to do with Naku..😆...For the past year Naku has been shown trying to heal his wounds from the betrayals that he has received in the past... It is quite possible that betrayels dont hurt him as much as they used to now...D has learned after Seema's track that its not much use obsessing over the past..that could be why it hasnt been show much

In addition to that, it has a lot to do with the directing. If there's no actual camera focus on Dutta, if there aren't any scenes (longer than three minutes) that show him processing these emotions, musing, then how are we supposed to feel a sense of process too? Directing has a huge part in conveying the characters' thoughts and inner battle - as much as the actors' themselves.

Try finding one indian show that doesnt have any editing/glitching issues..😆...and as u said, actors are important as well, so why cant we ignore these editing glitches and appreciate Mishal's acting?

Firstly, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not talking about Naku feeding Dutta and I'm not talking about Naku discussing his blindness. My point is the lack of focus on Dutta's process. Please read in context.

Well if you didnt mean repetitiveness is this sense, then what did you mean? According to you, there is no focus on Dutta, so that focus is defo not getting repeated...😆

I disagree about the latter. The show is nothing with Dutta. Remove him and you have no Tasha love story. So really, the show is about Dutta's journey and Nakusha is a part of that journey.

No one mentioned removing D...No one here wants to c him gone..All I am saying is that its not too horrible, if the focus is on Tasha at the moment and not just Dutta..We arent such big D deewanis, that we cant tolerate some epis where he isnt the main focus...

No, that would've been process. Read what I wrote below and you'll understand that it wouldn't have been repetitive, but a process. There are different stages of loss, Huma. I've even mentioned some of them below. Again, I suggest that you my post in context, dear.

Well, since you have brought up different stages of loss, the first stage is denial...maybe CVs are fond of this Kubler-Ross model and we wont see him shift into anger and acceptance for a while...

Did I seem impatient? 😕😆 And as far as I'm concerned, he's been down about his vision for the past one and a half month 😆 I think DSP would've moved on a bit just about now. Especially when his vision has partially returned. I'm not saying that he would plot revenge in details, but he would turn the hurt around to anger and think about revenge.

yes...well, its LTL...when doesnt it drag...😆....remember DP track, we were all frustrated, but it picked up later and we were satisfied with it as members have only started thinking the show lost its charm after Jan...

You're right. JMM2 is for those of you who wanted to see Tasha, which is why Dutta's character and process is given less focus. Good for you 😊 I don't mind seeing less of Kala either. I mind seeing less of Dutta.

Yes, it is..😳..just like we got our wish, the rest of you who want to see the focus on Dutta only will get your wish soon as well...😊

I never claimed that Naku is only praying when she's pitying someone???!!!😆

Well you said she pitied him so much she prayed for his eyesight..what else did u mean then?.

Seriously? When did I say that her cooking and applying medicine was a sign of her thinking that Dutta is weak? Are you sure that you're reading my post carefully, dear? Read bold again. I never once mentioned the medicine or cooking part. You're assuming things that I never even hinted at.

ok, i think i misinterpreted what u said...what u were hinting was that Naku should stop helping him around? Well if u were hinting at this one then....he is blind and he just needs some sort of support which Nakku is giving him......whats wrong with that...? will it make D look weak? or out of character?

Gosh. I'll try again.

ya dear, keep trying like you have been for the past few days..someday we might get your point...😊

They could show him trying to be a bit more active by practising to fight some more, keeping himself busy, distracted, while he's waiting for his sight to return. I'm not talking about him practising as in he can't fight. I'm talking about him doing something active to keep himself on his toes. When he's worried or feels emotionally challenged at all, he always throws knives or beats someone. I think it'd be nice to watch him train with one of those wooden poles as we'd get to see DSP in action as blind and MR doing some martial arts moves.

Even i want to see D in action....and i am sure he will be back with action.....until then enjoy the calm D...he isnt going to get PN back without some action...

Originally posted by: Elysia

I don't think that he's relaxing in the jungle, honey. I think that there's a lot going on in his head, but because of the poor directing, we don't get to see much it. For instance, the Dutta we know would be thinking about the past 25 years in which his sister, Kala, has pretended to love him. He would be thinking about all those times when she caressed his cheek, spoke to him in private, and he'd be hating himself and her for all of it - because, once again, a woman who hated him terribly also touched him. Just like with Supriya, really.

We see glimpse of those emotions, but the director simply refuses to focus on it. The past jungle episodes - overall, if you look at them - are kind of boring. Why? Because they're filled with a lot of repetitive things rather than focusing on Dutta processing his sister's betrayal. We see small and brief moments in which he thinks of Baji or AS. But there's no real focus on him.

While the director has focused so much on Naku, her praying, their romance - there could have at least been five minutes in each episode spent on Dutta processing Kala's betrayal, there could've been focus on his concern for his family (all of his family), for Patilwadi, even for Seema (because it's D's nature to be concerned for others' well-being, and even though Naku told him that Bappa will protect her, D himself doesn't have complete faith in Bappa, he has faith in Naku - yet he'd still be a bit worried for Seema).

Then next, they could've focused on him turning his thoughts from "painful memories of Kala and concern for his family" to "anger at Kala and revenge for his family". When he gets his eyesight back, it would make more sense that those thoughts turned to "hell-fury and saving his family".

My point is that they actually wasted a lot of precious time in those jungle episodes. They should have kept the Tasha moments small and intense - just like they used to do before - and focused on Dutta's process, his slow rise from hurt to anger. Tasha's conversations should've been a bit longer and focused a lot more on his feelings toward Kala and himself. Instead, the CVs even showed Naku changing the subject, or pitying him so much that she started to pray for his sight to come back.

Naku has always pushed Dutta through his pain. She has been hurting for him, but never to the extent of pity. It's always been compassion. Now she's pitying him, which makes D come across as weak and handicapped. Despite his visual handicap, he is capable of protecting her, so really he isn't weak at all. He's just vulnerable right now, just as he was vulnerable when he found out about his real father. Naku confronted his emotions, told him that he could handle things. She made him return to his senses - not by pitying him, but by pulling him out of his mental void.

That Naku is nowhere to be found. Naturally, it hurts a wife to see her blind husband in pain, but Naku is one of a kind. She would hurt, but she would stop treating him like a fragile thing. Instead she would push at those elements in him that makes him rise, that makes him DSP.

D does have a plan. He needs his eyes back. But I agree. They could show him trying to be a bit more active by practising to fight some more, keeping himself busy, distracted, while he's waiting for his sight to return. But this, again, is a part of his painful process. This, actually, is the second stage in his process. However, the CVs and director haven't even shown him in the first stage properly, except for his two-second shots while thinking of Baji and AS.

Originally posted by: -Huma-

Originally posted by: Elysia

If perfection is the standard that LTL held in 2010, then yes, I'm after perfection and I'll keep fighting to get it back until LTL ends or MR leaves 😃

Originally posted by: SAraW

But Ana, ur fighting with the wrong ppl ... forums are meant for carrying out healthy discussions dont make it a battle field .. if u want to Fight then make sure ur efforts dont get wasted! contact right ppl like we all do... 😊

Guys i hv been a silent reader on the forum,,,,,, but today sumthing forced me to write,,,,,,

Originally posted by: stranger11

ok so i understand that Dutta is blind and simply cannot just go and stand infront of Kala
But is he thinking of spending the rest of his life in the jungle with Naku?
The Dutta we know simply luves his sister, mother and Baaji..and would do anything to save them
So i know u can';t run back but maybe he can start thinking of someone who would help him in this time...as def some1 other than baaji is also his loyal
he should be thnking abt gathering a team of men together so he can go and bombard Kala's dream world..he should be making some plans......
He is just sitting and relaxing at the jungle!