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Posted: 14 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Elysia

I understand what you mean. But I find it typically Kala. The whole psychological torture and manipulation of people. It's so her, you know? While at the same time I feel that this is a test for Seema as well. The final one, in a way. Either she'll pass, trick Kala, or she'll fail and turn against the man she claims to love. if they plan 2 keep her in the shw, thn no doubt she wil fail n becum negative cos there is mre 2 it in terms of storyline if she becums negative bt personally after showin hw she helped tasha escape the goons, i feel they shud hav ended her role there n thn by showin tht chaskar kills her... or sumway she dies... keeping her in the shw wil mean ova time she is sure 2 turn evil cos as u sed kala is manipulative, she wil surely turn seema against naku...becos naku is the onli 1 tht has eva proven 2 b a threat 2 kala, sum1 tht kala has neva been able 2 defeat...thts y her revenge led 2 the extreme extent of killing dutta otherwise initially her aim was neva 2 kill dutta bt 2 torture him by depriving him of ne happiness tht cme his way... bt becos of naku n seein hw naku is always winning she gt so worked up abt it n cudnt bare her defeat tht she decided 2 kill dutta knwin tht his death wil shatter naku...kala wil surely gt her way around seema, m sure if seema sticks around thn its nt long b4 she wil turn evil n thn we wil hav the LT, which m nt looking fwd 2 cos we've seen tht in other shws b4...we see it al the time, LTL is abt new concepts/storylines...i'd rather they nt hav the LT...
EXACTLY. D hasn't mentioned her even once. Neither has Naku - who bonded a lot with Madhu, more than she's ever bonded with any of his so-called sisters. The fact that D didn't even think of her has really disturbed me. She is his blood-related sister, regardless of how close they got or didn't get. He started to care for her. i feel he neva did shw any attachment towards her, while she always did, he always seemed 2 b very rude 2 her... the onli time i thrt he was a bit ok with her was wen dey went shopping n he seemed 2 shw interest in the type of things she likes/dislikes..tht was the first n last time i eva seen him b nice 2 her... n u wud hav thrt tht with al tht he's been thru, he's learnt hw 2 appreciate those tht care for him, bt seems he stil has a bit mre learning 2 do...

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Posted: 14 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: Elysia

Cons, cons, cons, peeps:
1) Call me paranoid. Call me mentally imbalanced. Call my speculations "conspiracy theories", but I'll still stick to them like Chipkali Seema. I wager that for the people working on LTL, it has become a race against time. They're filming fast, with one camera only (which is why we don't get the spontaneous/subtle expressions of characters' reactions to each other). In fact, either they've cut down on their budget - LOL - or they're simply just wanting the episodes done and over with. I mean, the last time I saw LTL shot this cheap was... never 😆 There's only, like, two camera angles all the time, no focus, no time to stretch a scene with conversation and expressions, just a lot of jumping around from shot to shot
😕 Hopefully, he'll get a fair conclusion to his character, because I'm sensing it's near 🤢 (One thing I noticed about earlier episodes of LTL is that the former directors simply LOVED Mishal's acting. They always shot him from all kinds of angles, capturing every one of his subtle moves and expressions).
3) Mishal looks sad. Whether it's because he's supposed to be all sad, or whether it's a mix of his own situation and thus has been transferred to his character - I do not know. But even in the past when Dutta was depressed, there was a liveliness to the atmosphere surrounding his character, dynamics, power. Now, it's all just... blurh. Sad. Like people not caring to shoot properly and put actual life into directing the episodes and such has just sucked the power out of each episode. All that's keeping it together is the characters (read: DUTTA 😆).

Im also afraid the reason for such a lacklustre feel is due to either MR not excited or the camera focus is lost or the new directors handiwork. I seriously want my apprehensions to be proved wrong. I also sometimes feel that im paranoid nd the rumours about MR has taken its toll on my sense of enjoying the show peacefully without having to doubt or read too much into every small detail. I have lost the longing to watch the episodes these days even thou' MR is on screen. The magic is missing. I might be one of those pessimist who is not satisfied with anything less, hope im not inviting the wrath of the forum. Honestly feel this way, cant help if i have inadvertantly annoyed anyone's feellings.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: Elysia

You guessed right. This is the operation room for today's episode, so if you have a problem with analysis on LTL episodes, this post is not for you and I suggest that you do not read any further - or you most likely will be so annoyed that you'll throw chappals at me.Oye!!! don't throw anyone out, Ely... it is fun to see random comments...😆

😃
Daring to critisize LTL episodes is like dissecting a frog. Few are interested and the frog dies of it.
😆....Ewww🤢 ..you are dissecting a poor frog😲...how about change in the dissected animal...how about dissecting an ullu???? or even better....a chhipkali, your favvvvvourite????😛😆
Yet, I've always liked challenges and starting thought-provoking threads, so really. I'm gonna just go ahead and dissect this episode, using the pre-January standard of LTL as my old measuring tool. Heh. To be honest, pre-January, I never felt the need to dissect any LTL episode. To me, the episodes were perfect - even with their silly bloopers once in a while. But then the people behind January-February episodes decided to be careless and, well, not LTL-ish in their ways, and that has given me every reason to operate on their execution of each episode.
SO. Let's start, shall we?ok ...chal aaja maidan mein...shuru karte hai....zara acchawala dissector lana😆
Pros in today's episode:
1) The scenes between Mahadev and Dutta. Mujhe Jagtap dada ki yaad agayi. Truly, I loved their chemistry. Mahadev reminded me of a kind of big brother to Dutta, giving him a kind of masculine support, strength. No pityful stares and "look out, watch your step, careful" comments, but he just took Dutta's arm and led him to his seat. Their moment was awesome. There was this sense of understanding - man to man. Loved that. Want them to explore it some more. Honestly, I think that Mahadev can give Dutta something that Naku can't. Just like Jagtap did (he opened Dutta's eyes). ...Oye... that is exactly what I felt...said in my update too...which by the way, I am sure you have not read😛...that the bonding between the two is tooooo good., the way in the end, when Mahadev puts his hands on Dutta's shoulder and Dutta covering that hand with his was one soulful moment😳
2) Mishal, Mishal, Mishal. Even with the limited camera focus on him, he stole the show. My eyes were glued to him, watching for his changing expression in every scene (although, my eyes did begin to water at one point, because I had to zoom in on his face to catch his expression in, like, every scene 😆 Normally yeh camera ka job hota hai 😆)yaha pe to main kya bolegi😲...tu jo bhi bole woh sahi hai😆
3) The store room scene with AS and co. Wow. I've missed them a lot. I simply loved the whole scene with them, that they stayed together in that room - not because they had to (since all the guards, except two apparently, have abandoned PN), but because they felt safe in there, sticking together in one place, holding the family together. No one is alone. I loved the atmosphere. It was tragic, yet full of hope. They're hanging on beautifully. But I want to see Baji take more control.
Ya... finally we get to see them, and frankly me too missed them... especially AS😉...the family dinner was too good...AS feeding everyone and then Baaji feeding AS...oh the dimple in his cheek and the surprise followed by khushi ke aansoon on AS's face was so good...AS might be unlucky to have daughter like Kala, but she is so lucky to have sons like Dutta and Baaji, and Kishore ofcourse ... one good deed, of accepting Dutta as her son, has gone a long way with AS...both good and bad way,,,,, but right now she is happy that they are together and that's all that matters😃
4) I don't know about you guys, but I am loving the brainwashing that Kala's trying with Seema. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Seema isn't going to fall for it, but she might pretend. If she's smart. That's having really high hopes for someone like her, isn't it? 😆
I am not predicting the chhipkali, (after all it is your job na😛) ...but I am definitely liking the way Kala puts forth her cards, she is an amazing vamp👏
5) For three and a half second, the camera zoomed in on Dutta's face before shifting to PN 😲😆 I was so overjoyed that I went: "OH LOOK. DUTTA." 😆
Alien dekha ho aise kyun react karti hai😆....woh bachpan mein we used to shout na....mamma...look a flying soccer, look a falling star...waise ...look Dutta😆
6) CRAPOLA BAR. How could I forget! One more thing I loved was Madhu in the store room scene. When AS fed her, she took her hand and kissed it and the gesture and her expression was just WOW. Made me mentally complain about why they didn't explore her character and relationship with other characters some more 😕 She has something that comes across as natural and earnest.
Oh,, I missed that ...😲how come😕
Cons, cons, cons, peeps:
1) Call me paranoid. Call me mentally imbalanced. Call my speculations "conspiracy theories", but I'll still stick to them like Chipkali Seema. I wager that for the people working on LTL, it has become a race against time. They're filming fast, with one camera only (which is why we don't get the spontaneous/subtle expressions of characters' reactions to each other). In fact, either they've cut down on their budget - LOL - or they're simply just wanting the episodes done and over with. I mean, the last time I saw LTL shot this cheap was... never 😆 There's only, like, two camera angles all the time, no focus, no time to stretch a scene with conversation and expressions, just a lot of jumping around from shot to shot 😆 I've reached the point where it makes me laugh, not cry anymore 😳
good na...teri sehat acchi rahegi😆
2) Can't say this enough. Dutta, little man, is back in the background 😕 Hopefully, he'll get a fair conclusion to his character, because I'm sensing it's near 🤢 (One thing I noticed about earlier episodes of LTL is that the former directors simply LOVED Mishal's acting. They always shot him from all kinds of angles, capturing every one of his subtle moves and expressions).
3) Mishal looks sad. Whether it's because he's supposed to be all sad, or whether it's a mix of his own situation and thus has been transferred to his character - I do not know. But even in the past when Dutta was depressed, there was a liveliness to the atmosphere surrounding his character, dynamics, power. Now, it's all just... blurh. Sad. Like people not caring to shoot properly and put actual life into directing the episodes and such has just sucked the power out of each episode. All that's keeping it together is the characters (read: DUTTA 😆).
Well Agree with Crystal over here...that I dont see your cons in the same light..but that is my perspective entirely...to some extent yes...it is not the same LTL as before, may be the quality has decreased and the pace has increased, but otherwise I felt that it was a feel-good episode...and they are building up the climax....and that is my POV...😃
Oh well. All good things come to an end, I guess. Done dissecting *ducks as the chappals come flying* 😳 ya.. just like my comments had to end na😛

Edited by -Srushti- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: Elysia

Lol 😆 Nice theory 😆 But nope. Maybe I'm just more attentive. I've watched his interview a couple of time plus the "on the sets" segment, and knowing that there's a lot of pressure on him right now (from the PH, for instance), I'm guessing he's not having it easy at the moment.
EDIT: Why don't we just agree to disagree? I feel a certain way about Mishal and the episodes, and you feel something else entirely 😊



thanks..i am very fond of theories..😆... I am just curious as to why i cant c the sadness..
oh well, ok... we will agree to disagree here until next time..😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Nice Post Ana,
About MR losing his importance..and camera not zooming on him..well, i have seen the episode just once but what i remember of it it had a lot of focus on Dutta...when nakku told abt his blindness..his emotion was captured...when they came back his emotion was captured and camera did zoom on him...then when mahadev gave the medi box...then also his emotions were captured..if you want a zoom on his face more than this..(i totally understand why you want that..i mean i won't mind just gazing at him😍😍😍😍) then we won't have anything else...it might turn out like a ketkta show with every scene with just zoom on face of a actor with jarring music..yeah i know LTL uses that too....like screen turning black and white on a persons face etc..but thats still less...
anyways each one to their own....take care..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Its nice that u guys spend so much time to look into the other aspects of the show.. :) coming to technicalities, direction .. LTL Was never Extra ordinary to begin with .. i think the USP of the show was always been the powerful Characterization, ACting and Story telling aspect ..:) as for direction is concerned i was never impressed! :) so i tend to Ignore.. :) Infact many of u would disagree with me .. but the initial style of Direction too use to look annoying at places.... some of the shots and angle were Great! but some came out as hell irritating! like in one of nakusha's dream where they kept Focussing their LIPS, or take many crazy camera angles during dutta- naku first marriage..... they use to zoom in to his face a lot! which came out as looking funny ... but this should not take away some wonderful shots VJ had given us .. :) which we .. old members had discussed here too :)
VJ might not come back .. as he is now busy with south movies..so chances of him coming back to LTL are very low..

and I feel Yash jee too brought some goodness to the show ..

i personally feel its not direction .. its the mindset u guys have made abt Mishal leaving the show and not enjoying and it has something to do with "blind dutta" act .. which now is getting a bit too far.. there the problem lies ... not in the glitches being mentioned here.. coz they had been there from day one :) ...

AS for what i FEEL abt the show.. well i had loved LTL only for its strengths which i already mentioned above... The soulful and meaningful connection between Each and every character! which is still appealing for me... its there! so i guess being on that Track, which i feel is right i m still able to enjoy the show... Every episode is Delivering something even after completing a year!.. which itself is an achievement ..

so i think u all should enjoy the show for what it is "now" where it has reached! n dont look back and "compare" .. that is not going to help u at all :) u will only wasting ur time there :) instead enjoy the high points .. :) there are things which are not CHANGED ... like the actors! the Crisp of the characters they are playing .. isn't that good a reason to enjoy LTL peacefully ?? :) ..

and! Mishal is absolutely fine! and HAppy and enjoying! he will leave the show the day he stop enjoying his character.. . so lets not go there.. :)



SAra :)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW

Its nice that u guys spend so much time to look into the other aspects of the show.. :) coming to technicalities, direction .. LTL Was never Extra ordinary to begin with .. i think the USP of the show was always been the powerful Characterization, ACting and Story telling aspect ..:) as for direction is concerned i was never impressed! :) so i tend to Ignore.. :) Infact many of u would disagree with me .. but the initial style of Direction too use to look annoying at places.... some of the shots and angle were Great! but some came out as hell irritating! like in one of nakusha's dream where they kept Focussing their LIPS, or take many crazy camera angles during dutta- naku first marriage..... they use to zoom in to his face a lot! which came out as looking funny ... but this should not take away some wonderful shots VJ had given us .. :) which we .. old members had discussed here too :)

VJ might not come back .. as he is now busy with south movies..so chances of him coming back to LTL are very low..

and I feel Yash jee too brought some goodness to the show ..

i personally feel its not direction .. its the mindset u guys have made abt Mishal leaving the show and not enjoying and it has something to do with "blind dutta" act .. which now is getting a bit too far.. there the problem lies ... not in the glitches being mentioned here.. coz they had been there from day one :) ...

AS for what i FEEL abt the show.. well i had loved LTL only for its strengths which i already mentioned above... The soulful and meaningful connection between Each and every character! which is still appealing for me... its there! so i guess being on that Track, which i feel is right i m still able to enjoy the show... Every episode is Delivering something even after completing a year!.. which itself is an achievement ..

so i think u all should enjoy the show for what it is "now" where it has reached! n dont look back and "compare" .. that is not going to help u at all :) u will only wasting ur time there :) instead enjoy the high points .. :) there are things which are not CHANGED ... like the actors! the Crisp of the characters they are playing .. isn't that good a reason to enjoy LTL peacefully ?? :) ..

and! Mishal is absolutely fine! and HAppy and enjoying! he will leave the show the day he stop enjoying his character.. . so lets not go there.. :)



SAra :)


Very well said Sara, I feel that we have place LTL on such a high pedestal, that now even LTL is finding it difficult to reach it.

We have ourself created a benchmark , when anything regarding it does not read that mark, whether it is acting, directing or anything silliest, we start complaining.and cribbing.....

I love the show, LOVE - which according to me, means to like something/someone not only for it's plus points but accept it's negatives too, whole heartedly.

I have started to ignore many things, this helps me enjoy the show, to the fullest. And make not to crib about silly things, which may make me wanting to throw chappals at others or other's to throw chappals at me.



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW

Its nice that u guys spend so much time to look into the other aspects of the show.. :) coming to technicalities, direction .. LTL Was never Extra ordinary to begin with .. i think the USP of the show was always been the powerful Characterization, ACting and Story telling aspect ..:) as for direction is concerned i was never impressed! :) so i tend to Ignore.. :) Infact many of u would disagree with me .. but the initial style of Direction too use to look annoying at places.... some of the shots and angle were Great! but some came out as hell irritating! like in one of nakusha's dream where they kept Focussing their LIPS, or take many crazy camera angles during dutta- naku first marriage..... they use to zoom in to his face a lot! which came out as looking funny ... but this should not take away some wonderful shots VJ had given us .. :) which we .. old members had discussed here too :)

VJ might not come back .. as he is now busy with south movies..so chances of him coming back to LTL are very low..

and I feel Yash jee too brought some goodness to the show ..

i personally feel its not direction .. its the mindset u guys have made abt Mishal leaving the show and not enjoying and it has something to do with "blind dutta" act .. which now is getting a bit too far.. there the problem lies ... not in the glitches being mentioned here.. coz they had been there from day one :) ...



AS for what i FEEL abt the show.. well i had loved LTL only for its strengths which i already mentioned above... The soulful and meaningful connection between Each and every character! which is still appealing for me... its there! so i guess being on that Track, which i feel is right i m still able to enjoy the show... Every episode is Delivering something even after completing a year!.. which itself is an achievement ..

so i think u all should enjoy the show for what it is "now" where it has reached! n dont look back and "compare" .. that is not going to help u at all :) u will only wasting ur time there :) instead enjoy the high points .. :) there are things which are not CHANGED ... like the actors! the Crisp of the characters they are playing .. isn't that good a reason to enjoy LTL peacefully ?? :) ..

and! Mishal is absolutely fine! and HAppy and enjoying! he will leave the show the day he stop enjoying his character.. . so lets not go there.. :)



SAra :)



Agree with you Sara...bloopers and editing glitches exist in every show...A show isnt just about editing and directing...its about story development, character development, dialogues etc...just because we dont like a couple of things about editing doesnt mean the whole show is ruined...it doesnt mean that the efforts of the rest of the show's crew mean nothing...otherwise, why hire a script writer, CV etc...a director would have been more than enough..😆..

And as you said, LTL has great characters and story..so why cant some minor glitches be ignored to enjoy that aspect of the show...otherwise, we are just ruining our and others fun of watching the show by focusing on these glitches and not the positive aspects of the show...why must we spend too much time worrying about those glitches when there are many positive things we can focus on..😊
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