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Posted: 14 years ago
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kavita awesome post u write it beautifully dear loved reading it and the epi was mindblowing absolutely loved it i am glad ltl is back to its normalcy can't wait 4 today D might look for N when he doesn't find her in his BR.😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kavitha.. Take a bow.. I have always been amazed by your clarity of vision and seeing things in a much different and enlightening way than a normal viewer like me. No two posts of you speak the same things. They are very enlightening and open my eyes to things and nuances I have missed in the episode. You equating Kala to a serpent when she cuts the apple was a thought that did not even cross my mind. I am simply floored reading your analysis.

The only point I would like to add is that I liked the FB scenes showing Dutta bringing food for Nakku after he says to her that only sh can satiate his hunger. Through the FB's, it looks like Nakku also feels the same. Truly made for each other couple. I loved the melancholy in Dutta yesterday to the extent that I even said maybe he would remain drunk whenever he is around her these days!! Yes, the long uphill journey has begun and the cv's have given a wonderful kick start to this journey. I am sure the rest of the journey will be equally enthralling to watch and will satiate our hunger for more such scenes involving D-N.

Thanks for the post, thoroughly enjoyed it!

Vandu

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW


yah!!! And He looked so .... Relaxed! Calmed... and erm ...what do u call it???? yah... Sexy... hmm..


Sara - I too loved the way he was sat sprawled out like that.. ahem sexy for sure.. but very rustic and like a normal couple hai na.. esp his hand on his head and side pose mein, he looked gr8!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I find the idea of having dinner alone very sad. Mornings breakfast are a rush...lunches are busy...but dinner should be a time for relaxation and time for family. Yet many people living alone all over the world have dinner alone. But Dutta has a huge family surrounding him who supposedly love him. So it was sad to see him come home and try and look for some food to have. But Dutta isnt really alone and his soulmate responded to his loneliness. It was so touching to see Dutta and Naku sitting on the kitchen floor and she serving and feeding him. It reminded me of their humble roots and the fact that though today they may very wealthy they are still in touch with their roots...their inner selves.
Another thing that touched me abt the epi yesterday was Dutta and Naku both as sad not for themselves but because they couldnt give happiness to each other.

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Hi Kshreya,
Good to see you on this thread. Yes, the whole idea of Dutta, virtually, foraging for food in the late hours of the night is hard to swallow. For someone who has done so much for his family and basically gifting them a a life of luxury, one would expect love or at least "cynical gratitude" from all the PN wasis. I mentioned towards the end of my post that LTL has now reached the point where they need to move on the moral minefield where all these elements would need to be taken up and explored. That would give us an insight into how Dutta ended up leading an almost monastic life interspersed with the odd family reunions but also the degree to which his family, especially the ET and Suds have descended to such despicable lows for someone they should have revered. Contrary to Nakusha who idolises Dutta for the new life that he has bestowed her, the ET and Suds and all "other "shady characters" have always taken him for granted and tried in their own way to appropriate what they may have perceived as their right. Some members have rightly called them parasite and bloodsuckers.
That kitchen scene will haunt me for a long time as I find it, beautifully, surreal in the sense that Dutta and Nakusha by choosing to sit on the floor are paying reverence to their roots as you say and completely in sync with each other. Were we ever to talk of the union of erring souls, this scene would be a strong contender.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great post as usual kavitha...the way u find little symbols in the tale make it seem larger then life....like the kala scene...i m sure many of must have not seen it in the same light as u but now its seems like one of the highpoints of the episode and well done by the CVs.
Dear Shilpi,
Thank you. As much as I hate Kala, I cannot dissociate her from the narrative as we all agree that TASHA as a couple will also become stronger partly because of her undue meddling. As to her being the serpent, I forgot to mention the metaphor whereby the serpent is actually embedded in the apple. By effectively cutting the apple in half to consecrate Suds and Roops in her evil act, is she not taking precautions just in case they get burnt. She would still come out trumps and try to show Dutta and the family that she played no part in any of their actions. She is one hell of Devil's agent and I am actually being very mild. What is that saying in Hindi about witches leaving at least seven houses on their street before striking their victims. She has corrupted her own baby sister. I dont care much about Suds, he can go to hell for all I care. 😡😡😡
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I'm going to go against the tide here...it was hard for me to stomach yesterday's episode. No, it wasn't bad and I didn't dislike it completely...but after I watched it, I felt lost and didn't know what to make of this whole 'track' which has been delivered in the most unconvincing of manners. I'm sure many can psychoanalyze whatever happened and even interpret it as poetic, but somehow it's just too twisted and patchy for me to reconcile with. I want to like it and there are some things I found really beautiful between DN yesterday, but the bad build-up and confusing rationalization for character behaviour is holding me back so much that I can't savour the aftermath as it's meant to be.

Of course, there is Nakku's skewed justification for her actions at the party...what I don't understand is that if she knew Kala wanted her to act drunk and humiliate herself, why didn't she just do the opposite and remain/act sober to completely invalidate the whole plan like it never existed? Why did she feel the need to go over the top, for the drunk acting, dancing, the public humiliation, the slap...yes, she was trying to use them as a 'catalyst' to speed up Dutta's inclination towards her, but one has to wonder, did she really need this catalyst? He was coming around just fine, it was going to happen in greater intensity through her subtle strength and confidence of action sooner or later, so she didn't need to make such a scene to manipulatively draw such reactions. The whole tamasha that happened at the party, was it really worth it to gain time in his 'return' to her? If I was a guest at the party, her explanations wouldn't have undone the warped behaviour from all people involved there and so, as a viewer too, I was left with mixed feelings and no sense of direction

The other thing that became a block for me was the fact that Dutta drank again. I know, this is what he does and it is justified within his character, but does Dutta have to be drunk everytime DN have a heart-to-heart? They wanted to show his raw remorse and vulnerability, and that would only come out in a state of intoxication, but again, was this really needed right now? He could have shown conflicted remorse (succumbing despite his best of efforts) in a state of soberness too and I would have much more preferred that because at least it would transition well between the conflicted Dutta we have been seeing and the remorseful Dutta we have on our hands now. I would have liked for him to be sober, maybe more in a state of silent shock, knowing and apologizing for his extreme reaction but still trying to retain that 'barrier' between them. But here, Dutta went drinking again to drown out his conflicts even after seeing how Nakku was bleeding, and when he came back home, he was the liability on her...while she was the one who needed care and attention for her bleeding arm, he was the one who had to be supported as he stumbled and nursed for a wound, when it should have been the other way around. It was unnerving for me to see her supporting Dutta around when her own arm was injured and bleeding. This gun-shot track was supposed to be about Nakku's pain and vulnerability and need for care. Why did it have to become about Dutta in such a manner? In this whole track, I don't understand why they were going for such extreme actions and reactions on both ends...Nakku is so much a sherni that she is putting up drunk acts to attain her goals and Dutta has to get drunk (all the time!?) to display that intensity of remorse? Maybe what I was wishing for was more understated progression...but they just made it all happen through one episode, by conveniently showing their biggest plot contrivance...Dutta's alcoholism.

All said and done though, MR and MV both acted really well. When there's been more time to forget the iffy foundation of this whole thing, I'm sure I'll be able appreciate it more. The most touching bit for me (despite all those mixed thoughts and feelings) was seeing him remember the 'wound' he gave her on the forehead and the regret which you can see in his eyes about it, a regret which didn't even need verbalization...MR at his best.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#37
@Lizdarcy
I KNEW you would post something like this today! 😃
She knows that this guy slumped on the floor at the same level as her without his usual regal air , loves her beyond redemption when he tells her that you are the only one able to satiate my hunger. Food here assumes the healing factor that Dutta in his "lucid/drunkenness" invites his soulmate to apply as balm to his bleeding heart and soul.
I love, love, love this bit!❤️
Dear Liz,
I owed this one to you as I know that the last post would have given the impression that I was ready to take Nakusha to the executioner's chamber and tie her to the pillory. It hurt me as well as I went all out against the person Dutta loves the most in this world. I let the romantic/dreamy self in me take over this time. The whole episode reeled of symbolism for life. Feeding a hungry man is like feeding the Gods and reaching our inner selves where God or whatever equates to basic human goodness resides. Nakusha by feeding her husband assumes, as you have said in your post, the role of all those characters that have failed to provide the emotional support he needed when he first set out on his journey in a life which made him an emotional wreck. I am anxious to see how he reacts today.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe

I'm going to go against the tide here...it was hard for me to stomach yesterday's episode. No, it wasn't bad and I didn't dislike it completely...but after I watched it, I felt lost and didn't know what to make of this whole 'track' which has been delivered in the most unconvincing of manners. I'm sure many can psychoanalyze whatever happened and even interpret it as poetic, but somehow it's just too twisted and patchy for me to reconcile with. I want to like it and there are some things I found really beautiful between DN yesterday, but the bad build-up and confusing rationalization for character behaviour is holding me back so much that I can't savour the aftermath as it's meant to be.


Of course, there is Nakku's skewed justification for her actions at the party...what I don't understand is that if she knew Kala wanted her to act drunk and humiliate herself, why didn't she just do the opposite and remain/act sober to completely invalidate the whole plan like it never existed? Why did she feel the need to go over the top, for the drunk acting, dancing, the public humiliation, the slap...yes, she was trying to use them as a 'catalyst' to speed up Dutta's inclination towards her, but one has to wonder, did she really need this catalyst? He was coming around just fine, it was going to happen in greater intensity through her subtle strength and confidence of action sooner or later, so she didn't need to make such a scene to manipulatively draw such reactions. The whole tamasha that happened at the party, was it really worth it to gain time in his 'return' to her? If I was a guest at the party, her explanations wouldn't have undone the warped behaviour from all people involved there and so, as a viewer too, I was left with mixed feelings and no sense of direction

The other thing that became a block for me was the fact that Dutta drank again. I know, this is what he does and it is justified within his character, but does Dutta have to be drunk everytime DN have a heart-to-heart? They wanted to show his raw remorse and vulnerability, and that would only come out in a state of intoxication, but again, was this really needed right now? He could have shown conflicted remorse (succumbing despite his best of efforts) in a state of soberness too and I would have much more preferred that because at least it would transition well between the conflicted Dutta we have been seeing and the remorseful Dutta we have on our hands now. I would have liked for him to be sober, maybe more in a state of silent shock, knowing and apologizing for his extreme reaction but still trying to retain that 'barrier' between them. But here, Dutta went drinking again to drown out his conflicts even after seeing how Nakku was bleeding, and when he came back home, he was the liability on her...while she was the one who needed care and attention for her bleeding arm, he was the one who had to be supported as he stumbled and nursed for a wound, when it should have been the other way around. It was unnerving for me to see her supporting Dutta around when her own arm was injured and bleeding. This gun-shot track was supposed to be about Nakku's pain and vulnerability and need for care. Why did it have to become about Dutta in such a manner? In this whole track, I don't understand why they were going for such extreme actions and reactions on both ends...Nakku is so much a sherni that she is putting up drunk acts to attain her goals and Dutta has to get drunk (all the time!?) to display that intensity of remorse? Maybe what I was wishing for was more understated progression...but they just made it all happen through one episode, by conveniently showing their biggest plot contrivance...Dutta's alcoholism.

All said and done though, MR and MV both acted really well. When there's been more time to forget the iffy foundation of this whole thing, I'm sure I'll be able appreciate it more. The most touching bit for me (despite all those mixed thoughts and feelings) was seeing him remember the 'wound' he gave her on the forehead and the regret which you can see in his eyes about it, a regret which didn't even need verbalization...MR at his best.


My feelings are similar to yours....even I couldn't enjoy the TaSha interactions yesterday as much as I wanted to! Why are they so desperate to speed things up?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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"Wow kavita.......absolutely wow !! very well said.....these words and the write-up penetrated deep within my heart and soul and i was bewitched...
I had decided that enough is enough and no matter what,i won't surf the forum again and stay away from it....but on reading this write up, i could not control myself and my emotions and gave in !! *sighs* Once again,beautiful post !! 👏 👏 Hats off to you !!"
Hey lady,
I missed you on the one before....Where were you? Actually, its been difficult even with this one as I wanted to be part of the wonderfully animated discussion that the thread unleashed and I felt pretty left out...How frustrating. I needed to do this as I still feel like I am in a trance and eagerly waiting for the real aftermath now. Pity, I have to wait for at least 3 hours. I will snoop on the forum to see what happens.
See you around...for the next one. I hope that it lives up to expectations!
Luv,
Kavita😊


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe

I'm going to go against the tide here...it was hard for me to stomach yesterday's episode. No, it wasn't bad and I didn't dislike it completely...but after I watched it, I felt lost and didn't know what to make of this whole 'track' which has been delivered in the most unconvincing of manners. I'm sure many can psychoanalyze whatever happened and even interpret it as poetic, but somehow it's just too twisted and patchy for me to reconcile with. I want to like it and there are some things I found really beautiful between DN yesterday, but the bad build-up and confusing rationalization for character behaviour is holding me back so much that I can't savour the aftermath as it's meant to be.


Of course, there is Nakku's skewed justification for her actions at the party...what I don't understand is that if she knew Kala wanted her to act drunk and humiliate herself, why didn't she just do the opposite and remain/act sober to completely invalidate the whole plan like it never existed? Why did she feel the need to go over the top, for the drunk acting, dancing, the public humiliation, the slap...yes, she was trying to use them as a 'catalyst' to speed up Dutta's inclination towards her, but one has to wonder, did she really need this catalyst? He was coming around just fine, it was going to happen in greater intensity through her subtle strength and confidence of action sooner or later, so she didn't need to make such a scene to manipulatively draw such reactions. The whole tamasha that happened at the party, was it really worth it to gain time in his 'return' to her? If I was a guest at the party, her explanations wouldn't have undone the warped behaviour from all people involved there and so, as a viewer too, I was left with mixed feelings and no sense of direction

The other thing that became a block for me was the fact that Dutta drank again. I know, this is what he does and it is justified within his character, but does Dutta have to be drunk everytime DN have a heart-to-heart? They wanted to show his raw remorse and vulnerability, and that would only come out in a state of intoxication, but again, was this really needed right now? He could have shown conflicted remorse (succumbing despite his best of efforts) in a state of soberness too and I would have much more preferred that because at least it would transition well between the conflicted Dutta we have been seeing and the remorseful Dutta we have on our hands now. I would have liked for him to be sober, maybe more in a state of silent shock, knowing and apologizing for his extreme reaction but still trying to retain that 'barrier' between them. But here, Dutta went drinking again to drown out his conflicts even after seeing how Nakku was bleeding, and when he came back home, he was the liability on her...while she was the one who needed care and attention for her bleeding arm, he was the one who had to be supported as he stumbled and nursed for a wound, when it should have been the other way around. It was unnerving for me to see her supporting Dutta around when her own arm was injured and bleeding. This gun-shot track was supposed to be about Nakku's pain and vulnerability and need for care. Why did it have to become about Dutta in such a manner? In this whole track, I don't understand why they were going for such extreme actions and reactions on both ends...Nakku is so much a sherni that she is putting up drunk acts to attain her goals and Dutta has to get drunk (all the time!?) to display that intensity of remorse? Maybe what I was wishing for was more understated progression...but they just made it all happen through one episode, by conveniently showing their biggest plot contrivance...Dutta's alcoholism.

All said and done though, MR and MV both acted really well. When there's been more time to forget the iffy foundation of this whole thing, I'm sure I'll be able appreciate it more. The most touching bit for me (despite all those mixed thoughts and feelings) was seeing him remember the 'wound' he gave her on the forehead and the regret which you can see in his eyes about it, a regret which didn't even need verbalization...MR at his best.



I wish I could have spoken to you last night.....I felt like the lone ranger out here who couldn't manage to love the scenes as much as everyone was raving despite some GREAT moments in the kitchen scene and bedroom scene.

@bold: Exactly my problem as well *sigh*

And I have to agree....when I first saw that Dutta was drunk, I sighed a little in tiredness and thought...again?....I feel like they are repeating a pattern here.....but maybe they want to show that he wouldn't have mellowed unless he went out and got crazy drunk again....yes we know it's a typical Dutta trait....but like you pointed out in that paragraph, I had started to visualize something else with this whole bullet track and the aftermath.....and I also feel that Dutta's remorse didn't necessarily need to be shown through him getting drunk....again.....but I guess if I think about it again....anytime the man feels too much, he feels like drowning his feelings in alcohol....so guess that adds up.....I can still go along with that.....Nakku's explanation for her "not so drunk" dancing "in joy" was the biggest W*F moment for me along with some of her weirdo dialogues about him "apna-oing" her....and yes, something felt a bit off about the direction and editing to me again.

Other than that, I loved their scenes....MR-MV both did a great job .....MR was fabbbb in those kitchen moments you mentioned....that entire bit was superb....the emotion in his eyes from the moment he sees Nakku was just beautiful.
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