My Personal Hang-Ups when it comes to D&N

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Alright, so I'm writing this post as much for you as for me. Let me explain. It gives me a chance to collect, understand, and communicate my own perspective, which sometimes leaves even me befuddled.

Many of you may have thought where has GP's head gone? First, what does Dutta love about Naku, bring back the clothes, bring back the man, and other assorted topics. 😆

So I had a chance to think about why I am reacting so much to recent events and here are some topline reasons why, so you guys understand that there is a reason behind my madness.

First, I am huge a fan of love stories, as much as anyone else. But I am an even bigger fan of stories, how they are structured, how they make sense, how they flow. I'm also a big fan of stories where people realize their full potential and change their lives.

Now, for me, I am in no way attached to the characters. I feel for them but that's about it. And I don't fully understand why they do the things they do. But that is normal.

I was fine with the love story until the part where Dutta gets to Naku to save her from Anna. First, Naku doesn't say anything to Dutta when he questions her about his life and LETS HIM RISK HIS LIFE BY GOING ELSEWHERE IN ANNA'S COMPOUND looking for her. Yes, she was like a house divided--didn't know what to do. But come on! Do you want him with a bullet in his head or would you rather have him angry at you and mistrust the world? At least with the latter scenario, she could have tried to explain to him her actions and Babi could have vouched for her.

Then, Dutta, when he comes back, gets suddenly all googly eyed about Naku. Natural enough. He's realizing he is in love. But for me, and again only me, it was somewhat silly--all he did was stare at her. Again, it is normal. We stare at things and people we love, but this much??? In this case, it was just plain weird. One morning, Dutta wakes up and realizes he is Romeo and Naku is his Juliet. I did not find it totally charming, or sweet. It was nice, just that.

When all Dutta did was mope around the house, looking here and there for Naku, I was like "this is a grown man?" I know some of you may take exception to this statement, but I thought in their zest to show a romance and finally bring the jodi together, the CVs went too far in changing Dutta into a love-sick puppy. There are ways to show interest that would have been less juvenile. Take this word with a grain of salt. It has nothing to do with age per se, just that adults do act a bit differently when falling in love, even for the first time.

Then came his growing Bappa consciousness. Arre, I'm glad his faith is developing again, tickled pink, but he doesn't need to sound exactly like Naku. Stop thinking, stop doing, and leave it to ALL to Bappa. He could have expressed it differently, and a bit less, and I would have totally bought into it.

And also, now Naku is still keeping her secret, running here, running there, feeling guilt, with crying plus more crying, plus that idiot Babi misdirecting her...I was aware of her predicament, but I did not empathize with her.

Then came the clothes because Naku mentioned that colors would look nice on him. Last time I looked, kurtas came in colors too! And there is always a middle ground. So when Dutta's character said "My clothes are changing, not me," I was incredulous. It was a silly statement. Of course, HE HAS CHANGED! Look in the mirror, man! Listen to your words, the way you act, the way you mope around the house. Now, if Naku said, I'd like you to wear a tutu, is he going to wear a tutu to impress her? Probably yes, at this juncture.

By this point, I'm like WTH is going on? Yes, it is a beautiful evolution of a person, Dutta, for the better. I like that. I like the romance, even if I felt it was getting much now (based on my preconceived notions of love). I'm just NOW READY FOR BEYOND THEIR GETTING TOGETHER. The romance has been enough for me, and I am now ready to see their wedding and the next wonderful, and suspenseful storyline that the CVs are craftily putting together. A part of me feels that their talents are wasted on this love story alone. It's time for other surprises now.

After this diatribe, I hope you are 1) NOT upset with me, 2) NOT annoyed at my personal opinions on Dutta and Naku and 3) NOT doubting my appreciation for the show.

But I think you can guess at my hangups:
1) I understand Naku's predicament, but she is essentially lying, and has been for some time. She's sweet and cute, but her judgment is very suspect.
2) I generally don't like to see people change too much because of others. Change can be inspired (e.g. by Naku), I've been inspired to change too throughout my life, but the total emotional, physical changes in Dutta are just those of a love-sick puppy who is also looking to improve his life. I do respect it, but somehow I would have respected it more if he was doing it more for himself, to improve his own life VS to impress Naku. Or it may be a combination of these two, who knows?
3) The clothes thing bothered me for one reason and one reason alone: he did it for Naku alone. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLOTHES, BY GOD! OR HIS HOTNESS! Dutta didn't change his clothes because he wanted to be what he used to be like. He didn't do it to show the world the new him--shed the old world view, shed the old clothes, try something less rigid. He did it to impress Naku. Now I have worn something I thought someone else would like, sure. But changing my wardrobe? Nahh...
Some people have said that is sweet and touching...I find it sappy. My lone point is that there was a happy medium, and the LTL decision-makers did not take it. And the clothes to me was another indication of how far and fast they are taking this "sweet" evolution. To my disbelieving and critical eyes. 😆

Sorry for my rant, but I did want you to understand why my posts or responses are the way they are.
LTL is an awesome show, I enjoy it, but am now looking forward to the next big thing.

😃 🤗
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00

Alright, so I'm writing this post as much for you as for me. Let me explain. It gives me a chance to collect, understand, and communicate my own perspective, which sometimes leaves even me befuddled.

Many of you may have thought where has GP's head gone? First, what does Dutta love about Naku, bring back the clothes, bring back the man, and other assorted topics. 😆

😆😆😆.....Darling You guesssed it rt..........I was xactly thinking the same...........Aajkal bahut negativelt thinking..................y??????????I cant see my GP going "Down Down" way.............

So I had a chance to think about why I am reacting so much to recent events and here are some topline reasons why, so you guys understand that there is a reason behind my madness.
Yessssssssssss................Finally..........I am ready...........................

First, I am huge a fan of love stories, as much as anyone else. But I am an even bigger fan of stories, how they are structured, how they make sense, how they flow. I'm also a big fan of stories where people realize their full potential and change their lives.
Me toooooooooooooooooooo......................

Now, for me, I am in no way attached to the characters. I feel for them but that's about it. And I don't fully understand why they do the things they do. But that is normal.

I was fine with the love story until the part where Dutta gets to Naku to save her from Anna. First, Naku doesn't say anything to Dutta when he questions her about his life and LETS HIM RISK HIS LIFE BY GOING ELSEWHERE IN ANNA'S COMPOUND looking for her. Yes, she was like a house divided--didn't know what to do. But come on! Do you want him with a bullet in his head or would you rather have him angry at you and mistrust the world? At least with the latter scenario, she could have tried to explain to him her actions and Babi could have vouched for her.
GP,here,I dont agree with you.I think,it was really justified Nakku didnot speak the truth at that time.If she had reveled herself,there were chances of either "Dutta not trusting Fair Nakku" or "Dutta thinking that she ditched him" or even "He gets confused & thinking & loose to fight with Anna".I am happy that she didnot reveal herself at that time.............It is highly important to have a calm mind when someone near to you is telling you something which they have hidden from you for many days that too knowing the person you are talking to very sensitive.......
So,it is fully justified & a good move by the CVs..according to me..................

Then, Dutta, when he comes back, gets suddenly all googly eyed about Naku. Natural enough. He's realizing he is in love. But for me, and again only me, it was somewhat silly--all he did was stare at her. Again, it is normal. We stare at things and people we love, but this much??? In this case, it was just plain weird. One morning, Dutta wakes up and realizes he is Romeo and Naku is his Juliet. I did not find it totally charming, or sweet. It was nice, just that.
GP,before Dutta got realised ki Nakku is his Juliet he had a lot of tough times.........Remember..Jagtaap dada,who made Dutta realise that he has not met his love in the life,which made Dutta to think who else can it be........He took time there...Nothing was sudden dear...........At Anna's house,Subbu made him realised how much Nakku loves him that he is the life for her........Before that,we had a lot of moments where Dutta actually left speechless doubting his own decisions regarding NAkku being "The Dhokebaaz".........Dutta has taken his own sweet time before realising "Nakku is his Juliet".I appreciate CVs here.
As per that Dutta's eyeing on Nakku all the time,he is the guy who when once gets into something gets deeper.So,rt now he is in love,so he just does what he wants or what his heart says & he is overdoing it as he is very much into it now..........Dutta is a kinda guy ki Ek waqt sirf ek hi kaam karega aur karta hi rahega untill the thing gets to him or he gets bored of him.......................

When all Dutta did was mope around the house, looking here and there for Naku, I was like "this is a grown man?" I know some of you may take exception to this statement, but I thought in their zest to show a romance and finally bring the jodi together, the CVs went too far in changing Dutta into a love-sick puppy. There are ways to show interest that would have been less juvenile. Take this word with a grain of salt. It has nothing to do with age per se, just that adults do act a bit differently when falling in love, even for the first time.

Then came his growing Bappa consciousness. Arre, I'm glad his faith is developing again, tickled pink, but he doesn't need to sound exactly like Naku. Stop thinking, stop doing, and leave it to ALL to Bappa. He could have expressed it differently, and a bit less, and I would have totally bought into it.
Dutta leaving everything to Bappa is justified dear..........HE has proposed NAkku for the marriage.He has given his first hand to her xpecting hers.......If she is not ready,then definitely he cant say ki "Aaja,shaadi kar mere saath"..So,the only option he is left is either leave it to God or wait till Nakku herself comes to him..........So,he is doing the rt thing.
I agree with you that he is eyeing too much on Nakku.....even though I didnot feel weired or bad & quite enjoyed it,there were chances to shoe that genuinely & quitely elderly...................But,no offence with that..........as long as I enjoy that................😃

And also, now Naku is still keeping her secret, running here, running there, feeling guilt, with crying plus more crying, plus that idiot Babi misdirecting her...I was aware of her predicament, but I did not empathize with her.
I completely agreee with you on this.........Even I am not liking thisssssss..........😡😡😡😡...............

Then came the clothes because Naku mentioned that colors would look nice on him. Last time I looked, kurtas came in colors too! And there is always a middle ground. So when Dutta's character said "My clothes are changing, not me," I was incredulous. It was a silly statement. Of course, HE HAS CHANGED! Look in the mirror, man! Listen to your words, the way you act, the way you mope around the house. Now, if Naku said, I'd like you to wear a tutu, is he going to wear a tutu to impress her? Probably yes, at this juncture.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣..................tutu.......................🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....................My stomach is acheing...................tutu.................🤣🤣🤣
K....................................I agree that was kinda silly............But,Pyaar main insaan pagal hojaata hain.............Silly hone main kya hain...............😉😆😆😆.............

By this point, I'm like WTH is going on? Yes, it is a beautiful evolution of a person, Dutta, for the better. I like that. I like the romance, even if I felt it was getting much now (based on my preconceived notions of love). I'm just NOW READY FOR BEYOND THEIR GETTING TOGETHER. The romance has been enough for me, and I am now ready to see their wedding and the next wonderful, and suspenseful storyline that the CVs are craftily putting together. A part of me feels that their talents are wasted on this love story alone. It's time for other surprises now.
WEll,I too want to see the story aheading................But,havenot got enough rommance in my perspective..........I want more & more Rommace........Ofcourse not silly but silent & heart-soothing rommance.....................I actually dont know what I meant................🤔😆😆😆..................

After this diatribe, I hope you are 1) NOT upset with me, 2) NOT annoyed at my personal opinions on Dutta and Naku and 3) NOT doubting my appreciation for the show.
Not at all GP..........It is you who bring such a wonderfull topics & make our brain work............So,thanks a ton for such topics dear.................Seriously love you for this.................🤗

But I think you can guess at my hangups:
1) I understand Naku's predicament, but she is essentially lying, and has been for some time. She's sweet and cute, but her judgment is very suspect.
2) I generally don't like to see people change too much because of others. Change can be inspired (e.g. by Naku), I've been inspired to change too throughout my life, but the total emotional, physical changes in Dutta are just those of a love-sick puppy who is also looking to improve his life. I do respect it, but somehow I would have respected it more if he was doing it more for himself, to improve his own life VS to impress Naku. Or it may be a combination of these two, who knows?
3) The clothes thing bothered me for one reason and one reason alone: he did it for Naku alone. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLOTHES, BY GOD! OR HIS HOTNESS! Dutta didn't change his clothes because he wanted to be what he used to be like. He didn't do it to show the world the new him--shed the old world view, shed the old clothes, try something less rigid. He did it to impress Naku. Now I have worn something I thought someone else would like, sure. But changing my wardrobe? Nahh...
Some people have said that is sweet and touching...I find it sappy. My lone point is that there was a happy medium, and the LTL decision-makers did not take it. And the clothes to me was another indication of how far and fast they are taking this "sweet" evolution. To my disbelieving and critical eyes. 😆
I totally understand all your Hangupsssssssss........................................😃

Sorry for my rant, but I did want you to understand why my posts or responses are the way they are.
LTL is an awesome show, I enjoy it, but am now looking forward to the next big thing.

😃 🤗

Mee too looking for the next "Big Thing" now.I just want this FR to be done soon.Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....BAppa jo bhi karna hain jaldi karna........I am fed up thinking about this FR again,again & again.......................
Simply Superb post GP darling..........Keep up your HAngups & hangdowns & keep creating such grt topics for us . ...........
Thx a lot for this topic dear............................. 🤗🤗🤗

Love you..........................😳😃😃😃😃........................









Edited by kateleode - 14 years ago
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Reserved....

I am coming back to this agin,.. bcose its vry imp for me...
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I second u gp.. Even i couldnt accept that a person can change at a moments notice.. Here i hav been trying to bring a change in me for years and i am still vahi ke vahi.. Yup, dutta is changing for naku thinking that naku wants him to change? Does she really want that? I am confused.. The way his change is potrayed shows that one betrayal frm Naku and he will be the angry lion again.. As for now even i left the fate of these lovers on Bappa😉
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Reserving this Post.
I have a LOAD of stuff I want to say!

Aisha xxx😉
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Reserving.. :D GP, I love your discussion topics!! Have so much I want to say about all this.. =)
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I understand what you are trying to say. But being a hardened soap watcher I think you do not understand the limitations within which CVs of a show(esp a successful show) have to work. Thats how the disconnect happens from the logic perspective. For instance just yesterday I was reading that Colors forced the producer of LTL to concentrate on LTL rather than also produce another show for Imagine. I found that preposterous since the channel never gives a committment to keep a show on air for a certain time. But thats how things work...
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

I understand what you are trying to say. But being a hardened soap watcher I think you do not understand the limitations within which CVs of a show(esp a successful show) have to work. Thats how the disconnect happens from the logic perspective. For instance just yesterday I was reading that Colors forced the producer of LTL to concentrate on LTL rather than also produce another show for Imagine. I found that preposterous since the channel never gives a committment to keep a show on air for a certain time. But thats how things work...



Agreed. They are no doubt subject to immense pressure from up above, and no I don't mean Bappa, but rather COLORS management. 😃 They have to COMPETE with other shows, give audiences what they have been trained to expect from other shows. Hence, you are absolutely right, Shreya, and I should keep that in mind more often.

I don't normally watch other shows...the couple that I have over the past 2 or so years have been good, and then boom! they get ridiculous...really, really ridiculous...twins, return from cremation, being missing for years, etc. That's when I stop as a viewer. I love LTL, it's just that the show had started with this sense of realism and simplicity, and I think it is still somewhat there...but has started showing some element of telly-itis. That's just my opinion. And of course, the LTL CVs are superb and have to work with what COLORS tells them.

Fair enough? 😃
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gp ... I liked this post a lot ... but right now many things are going in my mind. Because I agree with you at some points, I want to share my view on this with a peaceful mind. So will come back to this later in the evening.
But thanks for bringing it out .. 👏👏👏
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Originally posted by: gp00

Alright, so I'm writing this post as much for you as for me. Let me explain. It gives me a chance to collect, understand, and communicate my own perspective, which sometimes leaves even me befuddled.

Many of you may have thought where has GP's head gone? First, what does Dutta love about Naku, bring back the clothes, bring back the man, and other assorted topics. 😆

So I had a chance to think about why I am reacting so much to recent events and here are some topline reasons why, so you guys understand that there is a reason behind my madness.

First, I am huge a fan of love stories, as much as anyone else. But I am an even bigger fan of stories, how they are structured, how they make sense, how they flow. I'm also a big fan of stories where people realize their full potential and change their lives.

Hi gp.. I have been following the LTL forum silently over the past few weeks... And the topics that you have raised in the recent past have been really interesting and a welcome change from just accepting what the CVs have been giving us blindly.. Sorry to butt in into this conversation, hope you don't mind.

Now, for me, I am in no way attached to the characters. I feel for them but that's about it. And I don't fully understand why they do the things they do. But that is normal.

I was fine with the love story until the part where Dutta gets to Naku to save her from Anna. First, Naku doesn't say anything to Dutta when he questions her about his life and LETS HIM RISK HIS LIFE BY GOING ELSEWHERE IN ANNA'S COMPOUND looking for her. Yes, she was like a house divided--didn't know what to do. But come on! Do you want him with a bullet in his head or would you rather have him angry at you and mistrust the world? At least with the latter scenario, she could have tried to explain to him her actions and Babi could have vouched for her.

To be honest, I didn't think of this at all... Maybe because I was catching up on all dutta nakku scenes on youtube back to back 😊 I think you have a very VALID point, but the only cliched answer that I can come up with is TRPS ?

Then, Dutta, when he comes back, gets suddenly all googly eyed about Naku. Natural enough. He's realizing he is in love. But for me, and again only me, it was somewhat silly--all he did was stare at her. Again, it is normal. We stare at things and people we love, but this much??? In this case, it was just plain weird. One morning, Dutta wakes up and realizes he is Romeo and Naku is his Juliet. I did not find it totally charming, or sweet. It was nice, just that.

When all Dutta did was mope around the house, looking here and there for Naku, I was like "this is a grown man?" I know some of you may take exception to this statement, but I thought in their zest to show a romance and finally bring the jodi together, the CVs went too far in changing Dutta into a love-sick puppy. There are ways to show interest that would have been less juvenile. Take this word with a grain of salt. It has nothing to do with age per se, just that adults do act a bit differently when falling in love, even for the first time.

Yes, adults do act a bit differently.. But if you think about it, what has he done..

1. His eyes search for her everywhere. Adults maybe discrete about it as compared to youngsters but Dutta is not the kind of man who cares about what other people will think when he is actually doing something he wants to. At the same time, he does get conscious ( I must add adorably 😳) if somebody notices it and points it out explicitly aka ladder scene with AS.
2. As of now he knows that Nakku loves him and has just realized that he loves her too (I would like to see a scene with more depth on this soon).. However, she has not explicitly told Yes to marrying him (until todays episode I guess?). And maybe that is why he is wearing his heart on his sleeve. He cannot understand as to why she runs away when he proposes if she loves him as was captured very well in their confrontation scene. In some sense it is very black or white to Dutta, if you love me, why are you not ready to marry me?

3. He dresses up for his ladylove, in his clumsy way.. Yes, he could have worn bright colored kurtas as well (I am sure we will get this when these 2 FINALLY get married) but maybe he is making do with what is in his wardrobe right now ?😉 By dressing up he may want to show Nakku that he is willing to change (all those multiple meaning dialogues about rang etc 😊), make an effort for her and at the same time let her know that her opinion counts.

Then came his growing Bappa consciousness. Arre, I'm glad his faith is developing again, tickled pink, but he doesn't need to sound exactly like Naku. Stop thinking, stop doing, and leave it to ALL to Bappa. He could have expressed it differently, and a bit less, and I would have totally bought into it.

Maybe a lapse in dialogue writing ? Also, I think like I mentioned earlier he wants Nakku to know that he is doing this for HER.

And also, now Naku is still keeping her secret, running here, running there, feeling guilt, with crying plus more crying, plus that idiot Babi misdirecting her...I was aware of her predicament, but I did not empathize with her.

TRPs ??? 😆

Then came the clothes because Naku mentioned that colors would look nice on him. Last time I looked, kurtas came in colors too! And there is always a middle ground. So when Dutta's character said "My clothes are changing, not me," I was incredulous. It was a silly statement. Of course, HE HAS CHANGED! Look in the mirror, man! Listen to your words, the way you act, the way you mope around the house. Now, if Naku said, I'd like you to wear a tutu, is he going to wear a tutu to impress her? Probably yes, at this juncture.

Read my previous comment on kurtas. And NO I dont think Dutta will wear a tutu even for Nakku 😛

By this point, I'm like WTH is going on? Yes, it is a beautiful evolution of a person, Dutta, for the better. I like that. I like the romance, even if I felt it was getting much now (based on my preconceived notions of love). I'm just NOW READY FOR BEYOND THEIR GETTING TOGETHER. The romance has been enough for me, and I am now ready to see their wedding and the next wonderful, and suspenseful storyline that the CVs are craftily putting together. A part of me feels that their talents are wasted on this love story alone. It's time for other surprises now.

And I think we are in for a very interesting phase of LTL with new characters thrown into the picture. This has been mentioned in the forum before and I also think (and hope) that Nakku's face revelation and Dutta's parentage is going to be revealed back to back. Will throw a new perspective about fair Nakku from Duttas end hopefully!


After this diatribe, I hope you are 1) NOT upset with me, 2) NOT annoyed at my personal opinions on Dutta and Naku and 3) NOT doubting my appreciation for the show.

I am so glad that you posted this... This made me come out of my silent reading and posting on this forum... Its a free world and you have every right to your opinion (and a very valid one at that!)

But I think you can guess at my hangups:
1) I understand Naku's predicament, but she is essentially lying, and has been for some time. She's sweet and cute, but her judgment is very suspect.

I wholeheartedly agree.. But to her defense she has been surrounded by people who are not helping her in this at all.. Also considering the background she is from, dare I say she may be justified in her reactions?

2) I generally don't like to see people change too much because of others. Change can be inspired (e.g. by Naku), I've been inspired to change too throughout my life, but the total emotional, physical changes in Dutta are just those of a love-sick puppy who is also looking to improve his life. I do respect it, but somehow I would have respected it more if he was doing it more for himself, to improve his own life VS to impress Naku. Or it may be a combination of these two, who knows?

Its not mutually exclusive right? His life has already improved via Nakku and he wants to keep at it for himself and for her.

3) The clothes thing bothered me for one reason and one reason alone: he did it for Naku alone. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLOTHES, BY GOD! OR HIS HOTNESS! Dutta didn't change his clothes because he wanted to be what he used to be like. He didn't do it to show the world the new him--shed the old world view, shed the old clothes, try something less rigid. He did it to impress Naku. Now I have worn something I thought someone else would like, sure. But changing my wardrobe? Nahh...
Some people have said that is sweet and touching...I find it sappy. My lone point is that there was a happy medium, and the LTL decision-makers did not take it. And the clothes to me was another indication of how far and fast they are taking this "sweet" evolution. To my disbelieving and critical eyes. 😆

I also like him in his kurtas and if they do want to show him in blazers, maybe they can show him gradually improving his taste in clothes (maybe have Roops help him? 😉)

Sorry for my rant, but I did want you to understand why my posts or responses are the way they are.
LTL is an awesome show, I enjoy it, but am now looking forward to the next big thing.

Thanks for this awesome post gp.. And also hope you dont mind me writing in!!!😊

😃 🤗

Edited by brightcentaur - 14 years ago

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