Kumkum Bhagya New Season | Episode Discussions Thread - Page 44

Originally posted by: aryapdane

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth but rather, I was telling you that using the words "reality check" wasn't very respectful. I gave you the benefit of doubt and tried to explain that you didn't have to use those words as they can be viewed as coming from a place of superiority complex. And it does carry a misogynistic connotation. I didn't say you were being a misogynist, or you were intentionally trying to look down upon people for liking PraShiv. But since you have chosen to double down on this, you should know that you are no one to give me, or anyone here, a reality check.

Secondly, you are referencing characters who have nothing to do with the present storyline of Kumkum Bhagya or referencing different shows altogether. What does RV and whichever Tom, Dick and Harry have to do with my liking for PraShiv? Then there are whole chunks about what you had hoped the writers had shown and you're criticising the show on the basis of scenes you have imagined in your head. "He should have deployed his man power in Prathana's search and not wait for someone's call." [Adding this here so that you don't accuse me of putting words in your mouth]. And then you go on about how his dialogues didn't carry "conviction and the intensity in his eyes" like some other male leads. You have decided that Shivansh doesn't have the conviction to stand by his wife in the same manner as some character in Naagin. But what is the basis of this? Did Shivansh leave Prathana at the mercy of the goons after he said that he'll protect her? Has he not fought for her, risked his life to save her?

The fact that Shivansh doesn't love or like Prathana is not news to us. In fact the whole point of the show is that a guy has married a girl he doesn't love or like or barely even knows but because of our traditional belief that marriages happen due to fate, these two were always destined to be married and will fall in love with each other through the course of their marriage. So of course his behaviour initially will be problematic. No one in this thread have said that his comments to Prathana weren't rude or cruel. So I don't know why you thought that you should become the repository of sanity and save us from our delusions, give us the reality check that we are in desperate need of.

Frankly, at this point, I don't even care what you feel about Shivansh's character. Whether he's a misogynist or a career criminal, doesn't matter to me. What I object to is your disrespectful tone towards me (one of the people who likes PraShiv and who you were trying to address) that you're now trying to hide behind your one foot hypothetical essay about how male leads should be, how much intensity they should have in their eyes, or how the CVs should build love and trust in their show. If you have criticisms about the show or characters, stick to that, in an objective tone, without trying to educate anyone about their connection to reality.

"And it does carry a misogynistic connotation. I didn't say you were being a misogynist, or you were intentionally trying to look down upon people for liking PraShiv. But since you have chosen to double down on this, you should know that you are no one to give me, or anyone here, a reality check. But since you have chosen to double down on this, you should know that you are no one to give me, or anyone here, a reality check. "

I think you are contradicting yourself.Putting some random points about a woman society god knows who? Are you yourself clear about what you want to write or express?Yeah so you will get the same double down response from me also and yeah call it a reality check too or if you don't like the word "Reality Check" let's say I have shown you the mirror itself.

Getting back to the second point yes I have and I will reference Tom Dick and Harry just like any other viewer is becuase their connection is with the revenge theme itself.

"And then you go on about how his dialogues didn't carry "conviction and the intensity in his eyes" like some other male leads. You have decided that Shivansh doesn't have the conviction to stand by his wife in the same manner as some character in Naagin. But what is the basis of this? Did Shivansh leave Prathana at the mercy of the goons after he said that he'll protect her? Has he not fought for her, risked his life to save her?"

Have you cared to read my post which you have quoted? I had stated that"I have stated before that I appreciate Shivansh's actions of saving her but this could have been done by Raunak too in his place as Prarthana's husband.Just bcoz he saves her does not mean that he's goody type two shoes.His actions are villanious and his character progression lacks the depth.What does he want exactly"

Shivansh did save Prathana from those human traffickers nobody denies that here but here's my answer rearding your point of Shivansh fighting tooth and nail for his wife Prathana " Shivansh helped only when Preeta sounded desparate on the phone otherwise he wouldnt have bothered to check on his wife that's the basic storyline which cannot be ignored all right howsoever someone might try to defend his actions".I had stated that I hoped that Shivansh cares for Prathana throughout her character journey and his actions of saving her from those goons shows the actions of a husband protecting his wife but it does not absolve the past actions of the ML character.

" So I don't know why you thought that you should become the repository of sanity and save us from our delusions, give us the reality check that we are in desperate need of. "

Repository of Sanity huh? Delusions.You want to know about delusion-If any villainous character marries a person irrespective of gender by deceit and then when that person confronts that villain regarding its actions and that villain replies to that person that the same villain doesn't care about that person's views/feelings regarding the actions and not only that that same villain ditches that married person to the streets at late night then what the hell does it display-Love?

"Frankly, at this point, I don't even care what you feel about Shivansh's character. Whether he's a misogynist or a career criminal, doesn't matter to me. What I object to is your disrespectful tone towards me (one of the people who likes PraShiv and who you were trying to address) that you're now trying to hide behind your one foot hypothetical essay about how male leads should be, how much intensity they should have in their eyes, or how the CVs should build love and trust in their show. If you have criticisms about the show or characters, stick to that, in an objective tone, without trying to educate anyone about their connection to reality."

I had stated the same point earlier itself that you should have stick to the plot itself instead of going on a long irrelevant rant about some women society etc etc.I agree and understand the admiration you or any other person could have for Shivansh.I liked RV myself but criticized his wrong actions too.It was you disrespected me first all right.

But the mere fact is that you got irritated by the harsh criticism about Shivansh.So yeah me or any other person might have opposite views or harsh criticisms about your favorite character.If you don't like it just deal with it bcoz its gonna keep coming.

I know that no ML character is perfect and it has certain flaws.But its not gonna be immune from certain criticisms if its character is weak or its even toxic.Either me or somebody else would point out the same.

I wont give a damn if you or any other person puts words into my mouth or writes certain illogical points which has no connection with the damn storyline itself.

Woah people let's not argue Na . I mean this is turning into a bad argument so please let's just end it 😓 and talk of something else 😊

I just know sonalika will be a vamp

Have anyone noticed Ekta villians always end with ka like Monika malishka Mahika and now sonaLIKA 🤣

Not to jump into this and make things worse, especially since I already called my initial reply an overreaction, and this particular series of posts doesn't concern me, but....this is an EDT and you can criticise the show or characters.

I'm only going to speak for myself here, but, if you want to focus on the plot and characters and how the writing is weak.....

Originally posted by: Fillowship

Woah people let's not argue Na . I mean this is turning into a bad argument so please let's just end it 😓 and talk of something else 😊

I just know sonalika will be a vamp

Have anyone noticed Ekta villians always end with ka like Monika malishka Mahika and now sonaLIKA 🤣

Ritika. Komolika.

Ekta loves using names that end with Ka.

Honestly there are too many villains and only Gayatri who's in favor of both Prarthana and Shivansh. Sure, we have Karan-Preeta, but they are annoying when they are preachy and they are always giving gyaan on love and marriage.

Although Karan did redeem himself by shooting the goons. I think he is also going to get them arrested.

It's better for prat not to give any bhaw to patidev when her husband 's surprise unwanted guest will live in the same house with them.

Jitna prat apne aap ko Shiv se dur rakehgi utna hi Shiv ki tadap aur becheni dekhne ko milega. honestly speaking Shiv ne thodi si bhi apni previous relationship mein emotionally invested nahi tha warna thodi bohut toh bura feel karta Sonalika ke liye.

Unfortunately ekta mata ke shows mein vamps always enjoys legally wedded wife of ML in front of society whereas fls live their miserable life yahan wahan.

Originally posted by: Shaon

Ritika. Komolika.

Ekta loves using names that end with Ka.

Honestly there are too many villains and only Gayatri who's in favor of both Prarthana and Shivansh. Sure, we have Karan-Preeta, but they are annoying when they are preachy and they are always giving gyaan on love and marriage.

Although Karan did redeem himself by shooting the goons. I think he is also going to get them arrested.

In Appnapan Sonali FL cousin sister was villian and ML believed her over FL and in season 1 Kumkum bhagya tanu Ekta’s favorite as she was Sonali

Shivansh and Prarthana has too many villians in their life.

Bua Ma, Sonalika, Smita, Payal, Bhavesh , goons and Raunak now

Knowing ITV, there's a high chance that Sonalika will be vilified and irredeemable. Otherwise, it's actually sad how Shivansh never thinks about her, it's as if she doesn't exist. He didn't inform her about the wedding - even if he planned to leave Prarthana and it was only part-time, he should have told Sonalika. And the way he rejected her call! Yes, he was focused on Prarthana, but Sonalika should be important.

Shivansh's problem is that the loss of his mother had a huge effect on him, and having Bua Maa as his maternal / guiding figure didn't help. He knows what he expects from a relationship, especially marriage, he knows what to do and what not to do, but he doesn't know, or think, about the way he formed that relationship.

Also, he treats marriage as a concept with regards to how his parents' marriage worked out (ghar chorna, perhaps his speech about Pati hota kya hai is also related to this because we know he had a difficult relationship with his father, which is strange because why will he have problems with his dad if his mom died? Most probably he thought his dad failed his husband duties, and the truth about Smita leaving reinforced his beliefs).

And the main thing is that Shivansh treats their relationship like a marriage, he expects Prarthana to accept it as such, but he also knows that the basic foundation of their marriage is a lie. Also, he knows he felt nothing for Sonalika, and he is fine being married to Prarthana ― to him, it's normal, he's slowly building a relationship. But he knows there is nothing normal about this so there are a lot of conflicted feelings. He is her pati but he isn't her "pati", if that makes sense.

I don't mind that the story is exploring this but I hope Prarthana doesn't become a victim of circumstances any further than she already is. She should fight for herself.

Originally posted by: Shaon

Knowing ITV, there's a high chance that Sonalika will be vilified and irredeemable. Otherwise, it's actually sad how Shivansh never thinks about her, it's as if she doesn't exist. He didn't inform her about the wedding - even if he planned to leave Prarthana and it was only part-time, he should have told Sonalika. And the way he rejected her call! Yes, he was focused on Prarthana, but Sonalika should be important.

Shivansh's problem is that the loss of his mother had a huge effect on him, and having Bua Maa as his maternal / guiding figure didn't help. He knows what he expects from a relationship, especially marriage, he knows what to do and what not to do, but he doesn't know, or think, about the way he formed that relationship.

Also, he treats marriage as a concept with regards to how his parents' marriage worked out (ghar chorna, perhaps his speech about Pati hota kya hai is also related to this because we know he had a difficult relationship with his father, which is strange because why will he have problems with his dad if his mom died? Most probably he thought his dad failed his husband duties, and the truth about Smita leaving reinforced his beliefs).

And the main thing is that Shivansh treats their relationship like a marriage, he expects Prarthana to accept it as such, but he also knows that the basic foundation of their marriage is a lie. Also, he knows he felt nothing for Sonalika, and he is fine being married to Prarthana ― to him, it's normal, he's slowly building a relationship. But he knows there is nothing normal about this so there are a lot of conflicted feelings. He is her pati but he isn't her "pati", if that makes sense.

I don't mind that the story is exploring this but I hope Prarthana doesn't become a victim of circumstances any further than she already is. She should fight for herself.

But I am keeping all this facts aside because I am watching for PraShiv

I wish Prarthana agrees to divorce him and happily plan the wedding of Sonalika and Shivansh. That would be entertaining to watch for TRP audience.

Trp audience love two girls fighting for one guy .

Originally posted by: Shaon

Knowing ITV, there's a high chance that Sonalika will be vilified and irredeemable. Otherwise, it's actually sad how Shivansh never thinks about her, it's as if she doesn't exist. He didn't inform her about the wedding - even if he planned to leave Prarthana and it was only part-time, he should have told Sonalika. And the way he rejected her call! Yes, he was focused on Prarthana, but Sonalika should be important.

Shivansh's problem is that the loss of his mother had a huge effect on him, and having Bua Maa as his maternal / guiding figure didn't help. He knows what he expects from a relationship, especially marriage, he knows what to do and what not to do, but he doesn't know, or think, about the way he formed that relationship.

Also, he treats marriage as a concept with regards to how his parents' marriage worked out (ghar chorna, perhaps his speech about Pati hota kya hai is also related to this because we know he had a difficult relationship with his father, which is strange because why will he have problems with his dad if his mom died? Most probably he thought his dad failed his husband duties, and the truth about Smita leaving reinforced his beliefs).

And the main thing is that Shivansh treats their relationship like a marriage, he expects Prarthana to accept it as such, but he also knows that the basic foundation of their marriage is a lie. Also, he knows he felt nothing for Sonalika, and he is fine being married to Prarthana ― to him, it's normal, he's slowly building a relationship. But he knows there is nothing normal about this so there are a lot of conflicted feelings. He is her pati but he isn't her "pati", if that makes sense.

I don't mind that the story is exploring this but I hope Prarthana doesn't become a victim of circumstances any further than she already is. She should fight for herself.

Bas shiv ko atleast sabkuch clear kar dena chahiye Sona aane ke baad instead of using her to get prat's attention and then dump her like a toy .

I absolutely hate it jab ML dono ladkiyon ko mixed signals deta hai and dono ladkiyon ko cat fight karwake khud maja karta hai .

Let's see how will Sona react once she know the truth. Har kisiko negative banane se acha hai parallel lovestory dikhade makers bas those akal ki jarurat hai.

Originally posted by: SecretShame

No, don't say that! 😢 I hate it when the wife is introduced as a maid or servant or employee - always found it too disrespectful. Besides, Prarthana and Shivansh both claim that they don't lie, so I don't think they would be able to carry out such a charade. And it's not like Shivansh married Prarthana in secret - he basically announced it to the whole world and continues to do so to anyone who'd listen that Prarthana is his wife so Sonalika is bound to find this fact out sooner, rather than later.

As for Raunak becoming obsessive - I might be in the minority here, but I'm kinda looking forward to it. Two guys getting obsessed about the same girl and willing to go to any lengths to get her is one of my favourite tropes. That being said, that trope only works if the girl is confused about whom to choose between the two - doesn't seem like that will happen here.

So far in the show, Raunak has been shown to genuinely love, care for and respect Prarthana - which is an aspect I have always liked about his character. I hope the CVs maintain that in his characterisation and show him backing off if and when Prarthana tells him that she loves Shivansh instead. His obsession shouldn't come at the cost of Prarthana's feelings in the matter - that would go against the type of person he's been shown to be so far.

If they brought Toxic Shiv as ML then Raunak is bound to butchered for the new couple.

If Raunak was played by anyone whose chemistry with Pranali was better I would have rooted for Pranauk any day. But now I am ok with all the tropes as long as they keep PraShiv together and gets TrP.

I just want Prashiv scenes where Shiv us not wearing ill fitted Coats