Kumkum Bhagya New Season | Episode Discussions Thread - Page 43

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Akshay has become a psycho villian


I hope the CVs don’t go RauNak route in future.. ie FL married to either brother at certain point of her life..
Preeta Karan are married.. then Leap.. and then they should Preeta - Rishabh marriage was disgusting 🤮

I don't want that attention seeker, thoughtless guy opposite Pinu anymoreI guess makers too understand PraShiv's craze,thus they're now changing story, focusing on PraShiv's relationship,both are doing pati patni jaap, psycho is becoming obsessed lover of Prarthna,so we will get our PraShiv as end game

Originally posted by: Farin3545

Who writes the script of this serial? Why is every person on earth lecturing about love to Prashiv that too unnecessarily? I means The whole nurse scenes were so funny😆😆 & on top of that she said Parthna Only wants to meet her husband & no one else(Like why did she have to add no one else🤖🤖)

I'm so with you regarding that nosy nurse, started where Preeta left off, at least with Preeta, there's so form of relationship this nurse a stranger. I thought I was the only that had a problem with that kind of intrusion. The nurse was so damn unprofessional, asking inappropriate, question if Shiv had love marriage. I wanted to say mind your business.

I was too annoyed with the whole scene and that Bimbo Payal.

Enjoyed Shiv talking to himself and reflecting on his actions, Gayatri and even Karan didn't bother me those scenes were nice

Btw guys I think Gayu learning about PraShiv's grow up connection for a reason for future track.I mean R urf Aanya's Bhalu() is behaving like a desperate psycho obsessed lover of Prarthna who wants her at any cost,so he will try again and again but when Gayu will understand PraShiv love each other so much,so she will do everything to keep themselves together and for that maybe she will end up marrying R? What do you guys think about it?

Good episode. The nurse laid it thick, but it was necessary for both of them to realise that the other was concerned for them, and Gayatri needed to be told that there's more to Shivansh.

Hopefully Prarthana will go home with Shivansh. If not, then her family will be seeing a lot of him.

Originally posted by: aryapdane

I hadn't replied to this earlier because you had specifically quoted someone's post but now that I gather this is addressed to all and sundry, I find that I have a few points to make myself.

The first thing you say is "people who like PraShiv needs to be given a reality check". I'm sorry but I don't understand why you'd have to phrase it in this manner. The choice of your words carry the connotation that people who are watching this show have no concept of reality. I don't appreciate being talked down to in this manner, especially when it comes to ITV shows or romance because this is just giving into the misogynistic ideas of our society that any woman who consumes romance content has no idea about the reality of how the world functions, that such a woman is gullible and unable to identify wrong behaviour from men because in her mind she has equated such behaviours as love. I hope that this was unintentional on your part.

Secondly, you said that Shivansh wouldn't have gone to save Prathana if not for Preeta telling him. That is a plot point. Shivansh didn't know where Prathana was so the writers would need a plot device to make the information available to him. And after he found out, he did go. Another point you made was that he wasn't ready to help Prathana the moment Preeta called. Now if we see that scene, Preeta didn't start the conversation with the information that Prathana had been kidnapped. She gave her introduction instead. And the moment Shivansh learnt that she was kidnapped, he asked for Preeta's location.

The third thing was when you said he gave some "scripted" dialogues about the duties or role of a husband. Well, all the dialogues are scripted. It isn't like Shivansh, the character whipped out his phone, asked gpt to give him the speech about 'the art of being a husband' that he later read out to those goons. And about him practicing what he preaches, you yourself said that he has saved her from getting trafficked, right? The idea that he didn't defend Prathana in front of Bua Maa has nothing to do with this speech. We can't retrofit this speech to criticize every scene that happened before it, can we? What he did in his conversations with Bua Maa was wrong and I'm sure the members on this thread pointed that out when those scenes were being discussed.

Look, I don't want to counter everything you said here but my broad point is that you should give us some credit. Upto this point in the story, Shivansh isn't toxic. Yes, he has deceived Prathana by marrying her the way he did. Yes, he didn't consider her feelings in all this. But his actions don't come from a place of misogyny. He doesn't inherently think that women are inferior and therefore, their feelings and choices don't matter. He has made mistakes. His logic is flawed. But he is very much capable of being redeemed. That is the journey we're here to see. So far, the writers are crafting the story accordingly. When that is no longer the case and you still see me defending Shivansh, please feel free to give me a reality check then.

Regards,

Arya

First of all stop putting words in my mouth all right.Did I refer to any specific gender or did I refer to any women in the society having no reality about romance or romantic shows etc huh? I would appreciate if you stick to the point of the character of Shivansh and stop misquoting me or putting such weird connotations of misogynistic ideas on my shoulders which looks illogical and baseless to say the least.Who are you to quote such wrong ideas on my behalf?

Second getting back to Shivansh or about the phrase Reality Check.I stand by that because certain people on this forum like Shivansh or Prashiv and are supporting him which is allright but I have pointed out the character's flaws bcoz I have seen such revenge type character RV myself who I liked pretty much but that doesn't mean that me or anybody else for that matter don't have the right to point out the flaws in such a character.

Thirdly Shivansh going on to save Prathana from the gang of human traffickers when Preeta informed him being a plot point well it's upto the CV's who have executed that scene itself.My basic POV is when you are introducing a revenge driven or an intelligent grey type character who has married a woman by deceit I hoped to see Shivansh depute his own manpower to search Prathana and not wait for someone's call to inform him about the location.Shivansh helped only when Preeta sounded desparate on the phone otherwise he wouldnt have bothered to check on his wife that's the basic storyline which cannot be ignored all right howsoever someone might try to defend his actions.

I know all the promos or dialogues are scripted and you don't need to remind that to me.I said the word scripted bcoz his defense of the husband being the shield or protecting his wife from every danger lacked the conviction and the intensity in his eyes.Moot point is the ML character who preaches that he will stand by his wife against the world and every damn danger there should be scenes which depicts that ML character is willing to above and beyond to save the FL character.

I don't know whether you have watched Ritik or Veer from any Naagin season or let's say Sid of Satya from Jamai Raja.When Veer or Ritik or Maahir said to their respective mates that they will move heaven and earth come what may to protect their wives the scene looked real and it portrayed a character who looked damn serious about doing anything possible to protect their wives.Does Shivansh have the same conviction-I doubt but hope he proves me wrong.Also.Ritik Maahir or any other above mentioned ML character proved it not only by their words but by their actions too.

Shivansh does not like or love Prathana and yeah his behaviour is toxic towards her.Toxicity doesn't mean to physically hurt someone sometimes words or views sooken through the mouth are the greatest weapon itself.Shivansh stating that he's least bothered what Prathana feels regarding the deceit done by him shows his shallowness which is indefensible.RV was different from him bcoz he always asked for Purvi's consent before marrying her even though that was also a form of deceit only.RV's actions were not toxic to Purvi.

I have stated before that I appreciate Shivansh's actions of saving her but this could have been done by Raunak too in his place as Prarthana's husband.Just bcoz he saves her does not mean that he's goody type two shoes.His actions are villanious and his character progression lacks the depth.What does he want exactly? He himself said to Bua Maa that he wanted to tell Prathana to get Smita out of that jail which looks understandable bcoz one thing cannot be denied that Shivansh still looks upto Smita as his own mother inspite of her vile actions.

Shivansh stated himself that he wanted to take revenge from Smita by marrying Prarthana.How does that complete his revenge? Infact Smita would be more than happy that Shivansh married Prathana bcoz she wanted Prarthana out of her son's Raunak life at any cost.Smita planned to switch the groom at the wedding altar with Prathana getting married to that goon Bhavesh.Shivansh saved Prathana unknowingly but he turned out to be a carbon copy his own mom Smita by ditching Prathana.So what's the difference between Smita and Shivansh then?

And you defend Shivansh stating that his actions don't come from a point of misogyny really? And his character doesn't think that women are inferior really? That's why he married an innocent woman by deceit and ditched her to the streets at late night where she was kidnapped by a pair of human traffickers huh.His logic being flawed doesn't excuse his past actions.

Yes his character might redeem itself but why does it require Prathana to change him?Can't Shivansh do that himself for Prathana? Prathana has to be in danger everytime going by your logic to bring out the good side of Shivansh.A wedding is never a joke though it might be treated like a joke by the CV's.A wedding is not only a reunion of two souls but it binds the two families together.

That's why I stated that I hoped that Shivansh looks out for Prathana.Prathana has no ally except Gayatri or Preeta to name a few in the serial.The vamp and the villain side looks locked and loaded with Payal/Bhavesh/Smita also add Sonalika to the mix.

Raunak also has to turn negative for the love story of Prathana and Shivansh.When you have so many villains or vamps gunning for a single woman you need a Sharp and intelligent ML character who would defend the woman at all cost.

I hope Shivansh listens to Prathana and supports her at every point in her character journey.Prathana will automatically start to trust her husband if he stands by her.

Love and trust is earned it does not happen automatically unless it's love at first sight between the lead couple.Shivansh needs to really start caring about Prathana if at all the CV's want to develop any sort of love story between the two.

Found a new ship after today's episode: Bhavesh and Payal, or as I'd like to call it 'Bhayal'.

Payal talks to Bhavesh like he's her boyfriend - from worrying why isn't he his usual chatty self to getting annoyed with him coz he didn't tell her every detail of his life. I mean, is it just me or do they seem a little too close than your average driver-employer?

Whatever it is, I could see a great chemistry between them in their scenes together. Would totally love it if at some point in the story, Bhavesh becomes lattoo about his Payal madam and tries to get hitched to her instead. Or maybe tries to remove Raunak from the picture. Either way, would love a complication like that in Payal's life - right now the villains have it too easy.

Originally posted by: pyar-ishk

I really love this scene how Shiv, spoke his heart. They had there nok jhok moment but what he said is true husband and wife fight, small or big you don't leave the house and neither should leave the house. Shiv last comment, to Prart, ghar chhodo? he same really surprise.

Shiv is forgetting why he married Prart, the lines are getting blurred cause he takes his vows seriously and he's seeing Prarthana the person not just badla to hurt Smita, thru Raunak.

The guy also making a lot of promises, Bua Maa & now Priya of taking care of his patni cause she's his responsibilities as a pati. I'm just waiting now to see how he handles Sona surprise

What do your think Shiv say's I liked it better when you didn't speak. I think it doesn't matter if Prarthana speaks on not Shiv notices and what is building is attraction to his Badla Patni

Sonalika is coming back soon. I just hope Shivansh or Prarthana just introduce Prarthana as the maid or something in front of Sonalika. I am waiting for Sonalika's entry. Raunak has become obsessive lover. Let's see how are they going to take this story forward.

The nurse had too much dialogue tbh. I am ok with her shipping but she was getting on my nerve after a point

Just burn that damn coat already. Why the hell Namik put it on again for the scenes.

He looked so good without the coat

Originally posted by: masked

First of all stop putting words in my mouth all right.Did I refer to any specific gender or did I refer to any women in the society having no reality about romance or romantic shows etc huh? I would appreciate if you stick to the point of the character of Shivansh and stop misquoting me or putting such weird connotations of misogynistic ideas on my shoulders which looks illogical and baseless to say the least.Who are you to quote such wrong ideas on my behalf?

Second getting back to Shivansh or about the phrase Reality Check.I stand by that because certain people on this forum like Shivansh or Prashiv and are supporting him which is allright but I have pointed out the character's flaws bcoz I have seen such revenge type character RV myself who I liked pretty much but that doesn't mean that me or anybody else for that matter don't have the right to point out the flaws in such a character.

Thirdly Shivansh going on to save Prathana from the gang of human traffickers when Preeta informed him being a plot point well it's upto the CV's who have executed that scene itself.My basic POV is when you are introducing a revenge driven or an intelligent grey type character who has married a woman by deceit I hoped to see Shivansh depute his own manpower to search Prathana and not wait for someone's call to inform him about the location.Shivansh helped only when Preeta sounded desparate on the phone otherwise he wouldnt have bothered to check on his wife that's the basic storyline which cannot be ignored all right howsoever someone might try to defend his actions.

I know all the promos or dialogues are scripted and you don't need to remind that to me.I said the word scripted bcoz his defense of the husband being the shield or protecting his wife from every danger lacked the conviction and the intensity in his eyes.Moot point is the ML character who preaches that he will stand by his wife against the world and every damn danger there should be scenes which depicts that ML character is willing to above and beyond to save the FL character.

I don't know whether you have watched Ritik or Veer from any Naagin season or let's say Sid of Satya from Jamai Raja.When Veer or Ritik or Maahir said to their respective mates that they will move heaven and earth come what may to protect their wives the scene looked real and it portrayed a character who looked damn serious about doing anything possible to protect their wives.Does Shivansh have the same conviction-I doubt but hope he proves me wrong.Also.Ritik Maahir or any other above mentioned ML character proved it not only by their words but by their actions too.

Shivansh does not like or love Prathana and yeah his behaviour is toxic towards her.Toxicity doesn't mean to physically hurt someone sometimes words or views sooken through the mouth are the greatest weapon itself.Shivansh stating that he's least bothered what Prathana feels regarding the deceit done by him shows his shallowness which is indefensible.RV was different from him bcoz he always asked for Purvi's consent before marrying her even though that was also a form of deceit only.RV's actions were not toxic to Purvi.

I have stated before that I appreciate Shivansh's actions of saving her but this could have been done by Raunak too in his place as Prarthana's husband.Just bcoz he saves her does not mean that he's goody type two shoes.His actions are villanious and his character progression lacks the depth.What does he want exactly? He himself said to Bua Maa that he wanted to tell Prathana to get Smita out of that jail which looks understandable bcoz one thing cannot be denied that Shivansh still looks upto Smita as his own mother inspite of her vile actions.

Shivansh stated himself that he wanted to take revenge from Smita by marrying Prarthana.How does that complete his revenge? Infact Smita would be more than happy that Shivansh married Prathana bcoz she wanted Prarthana out of her son's Raunak life at any cost.Smita planned to switch the groom at the wedding altar with Prathana getting married to that goon Bhavesh.Shivansh saved Prathana unknowingly but he turned out to be a carbon copy his own mom Smita by ditching Prathana.So what's the difference between Smita and Shivansh then?

And you defend Shivansh stating that his actions don't come from a point of misogyny really? And his character doesn't think that women are inferior really? That's why he married an innocent woman by deceit and ditched her to the streets at late night where she was kidnapped by a pair of human traffickers huh.His logic being flawed doesn't excuse his past actions.

Yes his character might redeem itself but why does it require Prathana to change him?Can't Shivansh do that himself for Prathana? Prathana has to be in danger everytime going by your logic to bring out the good side of Shivansh.A wedding is never a joke though it might be treated like a joke by the CV's.A wedding is not only a reunion of two souls but it binds the two families together.

That's why I stated that I hoped that Shivansh looks out for Prathana.Prathana has no ally except Gayatri or Preeta to name a few in the serial.The vamp and the villain side looks locked and loaded with Payal/Bhavesh/Smita also add Sonalika to the mix.

Raunak also has to turn negative for the love story of Prathana and Shivansh.When you have so many villains or vamps gunning for a single woman you need a Sharp and intelligent ML character who would defend the woman at all cost.

I hope Shivansh listens to Prathana and supports her at every point in her character journey.Prathana will automatically start to trust her husband if he stands by her.

Love and trust is earned it does not happen automatically unless it's love at first sight between the lead couple.Shivansh needs to really start caring about Prathana if at all the CV's want to develop any sort of love story between the two.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth but rather, I was telling you that using the words "reality check" wasn't very respectful. I gave you the benefit of doubt and tried to explain that you didn't have to use those words as they can be viewed as coming from a place of superiority complex. And it does carry a misogynistic connotation. I didn't say you were being a misogynist, or you were intentionally trying to look down upon people for liking PraShiv. But since you have chosen to double down on this, you should know that you are no one to give me, or anyone here, a reality check.

Secondly, you are referencing characters who have nothing to do with the present storyline of Kumkum Bhagya or referencing different shows altogether. What does RV and whichever Tom, Dick and Harry have to do with my liking for PraShiv? Then there are whole chunks about what you had hoped the writers had shown and you're criticising the show on the basis of scenes you have imagined in your head. "He should have deployed his man power in Prathana's search and not wait for someone's call." [Adding this here so that you don't accuse me of putting words in your mouth]. And then you go on about how his dialogues didn't carry "conviction and the intensity in his eyes" like some other male leads. You have decided that Shivansh doesn't have the conviction to stand by his wife in the same manner as some character in Naagin. But what is the basis of this? Did Shivansh leave Prathana at the mercy of the goons after he said that he'll protect her? Has he not fought for her, risked his life to save her?

The fact that Shivansh doesn't love or like Prathana is not news to us. In fact the whole point of the show is that a guy has married a girl he doesn't love or like or barely even knows but because of our traditional belief that marriages happen due to fate, these two were always destined to be married and will fall in love with each other through the course of their marriage. So of course his behaviour initially will be problematic. No one in this thread have said that his comments to Prathana weren't rude or cruel. So I don't know why you thought that you should become the repository of sanity and save us from our delusions, give us the reality check that we are in desperate need of.

Frankly, at this point, I don't even care what you feel about Shivansh's character. Whether he's a misogynist or a career criminal, doesn't matter to me. What I object to is your disrespectful tone towards me (one of the people who likes PraShiv and who you were trying to address) that you're now trying to hide behind your one foot hypothetical essay about how male leads should be, how much intensity they should have in their eyes, or how the CVs should build love and trust in their show. If you have criticisms about the show or characters, stick to that, in an objective tone, without trying to educate anyone about their connection to reality.

Originally posted by: Mrinmoyi_me

Sonalika is coming back soon. I just hope Shivansh or Prarthana just introduce Prarthana as the maid or something in front of Sonalika. I am waiting for Sonalika's entry. Raunak has become obsessive lover.

No, don't say that! 😢 I hate it when the wife is introduced as a maid or servant or employee - always found it too disrespectful. Besides, Prarthana and Shivansh both claim that they don't lie, so I don't think they would be able to carry out such a charade. And it's not like Shivansh married Prarthana in secret - he basically announced it to the whole world and continues to do so to anyone who'd listen that Prarthana is his wife so Sonalika is bound to find this fact out sooner, rather than later.

As for Raunak becoming obsessive - I might be in the minority here, but I'm kinda looking forward to it. Two guys getting obsessed about the same girl and willing to go to any lengths to get her is one of my favourite tropes. That being said, that trope only works if the girl is confused about whom to choose between the two - doesn't seem like that will happen here.

So far in the show, Raunak has been shown to genuinely love, care for and respect Prarthana - which is an aspect I have always liked about his character. I hope the CVs maintain that in his characterisation and show him backing off if and when Prarthana tells him that she loves Shivansh instead. His obsession shouldn't come at the cost of Prarthana's feelings in the matter - that would go against the type of person he's been shown to be so far.