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TheInkMistress thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Use of 'Shouty' capitals not allowed, I am aware, and my intesntion wasn't to imply it rudely. I'm guilty and I apologies. :)

Originally posted by: poiu123

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Posted: 10 years ago
#22
Exact same point, mina. :)

Originally posted by: -mina-


I guess what frustrates me right now is the sense that she isn't allowed to be her own hero - I like the way you put that. Setting aside actually saving herself - she isn't even allowed to get angry or defensive on her own behalf. That just feels so unreal. Even a woman who is powerless can feel anger. And Pragya isn't powerless, she just accepts herself as such.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: deefan



Ekta, by virtue of her success, has figured out her TRP audience better than we ever could. She's catering to people from all walks- her characters overall I think cater to a vast majority- in the sense that they have something in each character that satisfies a huge number of people. As much as I get angry sometimes seeing women shown in this light, she's running a business and she will do whatever it takes to make it succeed. The only reason she would revamp is if the TRPs force her to.

It doesn't make it right but in her world, she has no reason to change a winning formula. Its huge ly ironic that a woman is ruling the world of soaps with regressive behavior!


This is simply not true. Just look around at what is on air these days. Kumkum Bhagya is an aberration - a fluke success. Nothing else on air with high TRPs is quite as regressive as KKB. This is the same Ekta who's also producing Yeh Hai Mohabbatein, Jodha Akbar, Itna Karo na Mujhe Pyar etc. Even her small budget show on Sony Pal - Yeh Dil Sun Raha Hai has a terrific character of a mother who is a senior bureaucrat who takes on corrupt politicians and criminals. It is neither the fault of Ekta nor the viewers in general.

I'd blame the writers - KKB has some of the worst writers on Balaji's payroll right now. They can't engaging dramatic twists so they go for OTT plot twists that just don't fly. Also, the dialogues are cringeworthy - whoever wrote that kumkum line deserves ek zordaar tamacha from me.

edit to add: Turns out the doofus responsible for writing the epic pati bhajans on KKB is Dheeraj Sarna, the man who wrote the crap dialogues for Chhanchhan as well.

Edited by swati1975us - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Here's the biggest irony with Pragya's character - she started out mortified that her sister Bulbul idolizes a man like Abhi. Cut to the present, and she's become Abhi's number one fangirl. Suresh was right - she just cannot distinguish between gratitude, crush and love and that's maybe because she's never been in a serious relationship with any man before.
Basically, she's all sensibility and no sense 😆.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: swati1975us


This is simply not true. Just look around at what is on air these days. Kumkum Bhagya is an aberration - a fluke success. Nothing else on air with high TRPs is quite as regressive as KKB. This is the same Ekta who's also producing Yeh Hai Mohabbatein, Jodha Akbar, Itna Karo na Mujhe Pyar etc. Even her small budget show on Sony Pal - Yeh Dil Sun Raha Hai has a terrific character of a mother who is a senior bureaucrat who takes on corrupt politicians and criminals. It is neither the fault of Ekta nor the viewers in general.

I'd blame the writers - KKB has some of the worst writers on Balaji's payroll right now. They can't engaging dramatic twists so they go for OTT plot twists that just don't fly. Also, the dialogues are cringeworthy - whoever wrote that kumkum line deserves ek zordaar tamacha from me.

edit to add: Turns out the doofus responsible for writing the epic pati bhajans on KKB is Dheeraj Sarna, the man who wrote the crap dialogues for Chhanchhan as well.



I am interested in your point about other shows. So granted KKB compares disfavourably with the other Ekta shows you listed, but other than TRP topper DABH, aren't the other popular shows these days more in the regressive saas bahu camp? It constantly amazes me that SNS keeps making top 5 (and I do like SNS, I just can't believe it's so popular still) and YKKH too. I'm not on top of the current tracks on these other shows but I'd be fascinated to know if in context with them KKB would still count as a fluke.

Also I'm pretty convinced that KKB is between 30-70% meta-farce at any given time. The writers don't take themselves seriously.
Edited by -mina- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-


I am interested in your point about other shows. So granted KKB compares disfavourably with the other Ekta shows you listed, but other than TRP topper DABH, aren't the other popular shows these days more in the regressive saas bahu camp? It constantly amazes me that SNS keeps making top 5 (and I do like SNS, I just can't believe it's so popular still) and YKKH too. I'm not on top of the current tracks on these other shows but I'd be fascinated to know if in context with them KKB would still count as a fluke.

Also I'm pretty convinced that KKB is between 30-70% meta-farce at any given time. The writers don't take themselves seriously.


DABH isn't half as regressive as KKB. Bhabho despite being an almost illiterate, small town m-i-l finally allows her d-i-l to follow her dreams of becoming a police officer. And show me another husband on any show as loving as Suraj - he's always been the silently supportive husband who's prioritized his wife's dreams over his own. The other popular shows are Jodha Akbar (hardly regressive saas bahu), Yeh Hai Mohabbatein (the m-i-l is a darling) and Pyar ka Dard . Before KKB came along - the top shows in Zee were Sapne Suhane Ladakpan ke and Qubool Hai - not exactly regressive pandering.

Even shows where saas bahu drama is at the forefront, the themes are not regressive. KKB is a fluke because there's nothing quite like Pragya on tv these days - I can't even remember the last Ekta show where the lead was such a doormat.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-



Also I'm pretty convinced that KKB is between 30-70% meta-farce at any given time. The writers don't take themselves seriously.


Oh I'm sure they don't take any of it seriously. The fact that an independent, super successful woman like Ekta produces these shows, and a super smart, independent woman like Sriti acts in it tells you that no one really does any of it because they believe this is the message they need to sell.

I don't mind seeing drama involving a bunch of conservative, tradition bound characters - but Pragya's obsessing over Abhi has not been developed well enough to be believable. And that's a screenplay failure. Writing good soap opera is hard stuff.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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when it comes to pragya...I give up...
this was expected and I am not surprised at all...
pragya's "Kumkum" dialogue is getting on my last nerves...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I was calling DABH the opposite of regressive. Anything that features a heroine with a career like Sandhya's and a husband as supportive as Suraj defies enough norms to overcome the other factors at play.

JA is not Saas Bahu but it has plenty of stale dynamics, especially around Ruqaiya. SSLK lost its progressive edge when Mayank kept taking his mother's side after marrying Gunjan. And QH long, long ago surpassed any claim to realism - it's just been revenge fantasy after revenge fantasy. Which I guess doesn't preclude it from being subject to critical analysis, but I guess I'll just have to exclude myself from that conversation.

I think you might be right, I can't think off the top of my head of anyone as wretched as Pragya currently. So I guess I'll keep clinging to the hope that there's more for her ahead.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I appreciate your post. I am disappointed in this show as it was presented to us with the idea it would be on the lines of Sense and Sensibility; we appreciated Pragya's virtues in the earlier part of the show and we sympathized with her rejection in love. We wanted a relationship between her and Abhi and at first thought their interactions amusing. However, as time we grew appalled at the rationale for her staying with Abhi and enduring the abuse. It grew to a point where the justification simply did not exist.

A couple of nights ago we were all talking about the continual problem on India television - woman falling in love with men who abuse them. It's insane. Why do we romanticize this abuse and then praise the man if he does something nice? Are we supposed to put them on a pedestal and ignore all the wrongdoing?

People defending the show are simply in love with jodi and spend their time trying to rationalize the foolishness we see. I believe it helps them digest what they see - a bit of denial and cognitive dissonance goes hand-in-hand. However, rationalizing it does not make what we see acceptable.

One of the writers of EK shows and now of Gul Khan's told me that Zee as a channel is a full-fledged production house for melodramas - the channel owners have a lot of say with the storylines. So if they are of a backward and regressive mindset, they will pressure the producer and CVs to deliver this nonsense even if they don't like it.


Originally posted by: fire_whisky

"Aapne aaj jo mere kumkum pe ehsaan kiya hai, usse mai kabh nahi bhoolungi!"

Is it for real? What has this show come down to? It's assassinating Pragya's character altogether.
How many of you were actually okay with how the apology came out to be? Sorry bol ke ehsaan kar raha thha kya?

Okay, I mean we get that Pragya is in love with Abhishek, but man com'on Love does not cost self respect. Does it now?
Mera Ego bahut bada hai, mujhe apni galti ka ehsaas ho gaya hai and what not crap! God, for once this was Pragya's track. She should have been given certain amount of space. Her character needs to breathe. Where's the fire? Where's that bold woman?

Disheartened. Feeling let down as a woman.




Edited by Laila2009 - 10 years ago

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