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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: lumos_31

I cannot agree with the makers for this particular track. They've ruined the essence of krpkab for me. Krpkab was supposed to be realistic and subtle, not this OTT nonsense of showing Dev singlehandedly trying to change education system. How can kids study 'whatever they want' when they have to pass in all subjects? The final paper is set by the Board, n not the school. U need theory as much as u need practical. If they really wanted to make this about Dev changing things for the better, atleast show the school placing these logical points before Dev. Dev threatens them about media questioning them? Why will the media question them when schools all over India are following the same pattern of teaching? And trustees of the school agree to change the curriculum just because of this threat of having to face media? What nonsense. Atleast show Dev taking up this issue to the Board. How can everything change overnight?

I was all praises for House husband Dev. I really think that is a welcome change on indian TV where they are trying to break stereotypes. But this is totally unacceptable, even if they are trying to give a message.

The only saving grace of today's episode was the Sona-Shubh and Sona-Soha scene with flashbacks. They ruined DevAkshi by making them romance BDs. And it won't change anyway now, we are that unfortunate. I can say I'm watching the show only for the kids now.

Sorry for the rant. But this needs to be said. Makers ought to know the fundamental details before showing this illogical stuff.

I will share my disagreement with these points n i will be talking as a KRPKAB viewer along with my knowledge on teaching pedagogy. There is nothing OTT or unrealistic in this track. Dev's main focus is on the change of teaching methods and make it interesting for the children. His words, like catering to each child's interest, individual differences is something which every teacher has learnt in her/his training period. He is not discarding theoretical essence but wants the methodology to be innovative and joyful, which each and every education policy (Indian and international), child psychology, educationist, thinkers etc etc have mentioned. Dev is just trying to implement it practically which every school should do.
Coming to Dev's bossiness around school authorities was typical Dev style. He tried to talk to school and teachers in a polite manner but they didn't listen. They were keeping their international standards above the parents and children concern which was wrong. N on the contrary international standards talks about same issues which Dev was addressing. Also as a parent Dev has full right to get involved in the school practices. Again involvement of parents and community is mentioned in our policies. Yes Dev could have adopted some other way to deal with them but then he has always been like this.
The track is very well written and shows mirror to the society. If we keep on telling "to be done" things OTT and too idealistic then how will we bring change in the society.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: lumos_31

^when the track started, Dev clearly told Soha and Golu to study whatever they want. This track is supposed to be about how every kid has different interests and should not be forced to study everything or something that he is not interested in.

Dev with other parents is asking school to not keep books for different subjects. Some boards have marks for books included in their curriculum. A theory exam is as important as the practical in the current curriculum. I would still understand if the proposal consisted of Dev asking teachers to explain things to the students instead of just making them write down things which encourages rote learning and happens in almost every school. But clearly, Dev wanted teachers to change everything, even the curriculum as students were forced to learn and would not learn out of will. And just coz he is Dev Dixit, he knows a qualified teacher's job better than the teacher herself? Sorry, but to me, this is taking Dev's superhero image a bit too far. This really doesn't happen in real life. Even if u ignore all the above points, such a drastic change in the teaching doesn't happen overnight. There are procedures. When school inspections are carried out and students are asked to produce books how are they gonna answer the board? That they don't make students write coz a certain trustee had a problem with the teaching system? Krpkab lost its usp, with this track, which is realism.

The qualified teachers you are talking about didn't even the importance of learner friendly classrooms. Even CCE suggests using different techniques of taking exams other than paper pencil test. If all our theories and policies suggests the same which Dev is telling then what is the harm in implementing it. About text books and burden of bags, Yashpal Committee 1993, learning without burden also talks about the same. A child can learn so much from the environment around and that should be tapped. There can be ways to manage so many books and notebooks. I feel you are taking the whole track in some other sense and trying to prove a point. :)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: cscs

I will share my disagreement with these points n i will be talking as a KRPKAB viewer along with my knowledge on teaching pedagogy. There is nothing OTT or unrealistic in this track. Dev's main focus is on the change of teaching methods and make it interesting for the children. His words, like catering to each child's interest, individual differences is something which every teacher has learnt in her/his training period. He is not discarding theoretical essence but wants the methodology to be innovative and joyful, which each and every education policy (Indian and international), child psychology, educationist, thinkers etc etc have mentioned. Dev is just trying to implement it practically which every school should do.
Coming to Dev's bossiness around school authorities was typical Dev style. He tried to talk to school and teachers in a polite manner but they didn't listen. They were keeping their international standards above the parents and children concern which was wrong. N on the contrary international standards talks about same issues which Dev was addressing. Also as a parent Dev has full right to get involved in the school practices. Again involvement of parents and community is mentioned in our policies. Yes Dev could have adopted some other way to deal with them but then he has always been like this.
The track is very well written and shows mirror to the society. If we keep on telling "to be done" things OTT and too idealistic then how will we bring change in the society.



School authorities are answerable to the govt and the Board. U can't just come in and change the whole thing IN JUST ONE SCHOOL. The school will.be penalised for that. There is a procedure to get things done. There should be adequate meetings with the Board authorities to discuss this and put forward their grievances. It is not an inside issue. Dev didn't only have a problem with the teaching methods. He had a problem with the whole system of teaching right from the excessive books to rote learning. Every school has a curriculum. U can't just deviate from it overnight just because somebody wanted to bring change. Students should pass in all subjects and not the ones they are interested in. As much as I understand Devs intentions, I cannot accept this coz of thr manner in which it happened. I get they are trying to put across a message, I totally get what u have explained but they way they have executed this track, it is OTT and such a thing never happens in real life. It's stupid and illogical.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: cscs

The qualified teachers you are talking about didn't even the importance of learner friendly classrooms. Even CCE suggests using different techniques of taking exams other than paper pencil test. If all our theories and policies suggests the same which Dev is telling then what is the harm in implementing it. About text books and burden of bags, Yashpal Committee 1993, learning without burden also talks about the same. A child can learn so much from the environment around and that should be tapped. There can be ways to manage so many books and notebooks. I feel you are taking the whole track in some other sense and trying to prove a point. :)



Have all the things u have said above been implemented? Atleast in Indian schools? Nothing that I know of. Even if they have been, is it the school which decides that?
My problem is not really with the message they are trying to give but with the manner they are trying to give it in. I'm totally for discouraging rote learning but a trustee of a school cannot decide such things. Neither can the school principal. It's the government which decides this.
This is where the realism of the show goes out of the window. This is the exact point I'm trying to make :)


Edit:googled about CCE since I didn't know about it. From what I understood, it is a policy to understand students difficulties by continuous evaluation from time to time in order to strengthen the learning experience. Again, the school does not implement it by itself. The CBSE directs the school to implement it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Anyway, i rest my case and don't have the time to debate on this, as I too have a very important exam to answer in the coming months. I hope I could put forth my points and ppl didn't misunderstand. Requesting others, to agree to disagree with me, if at all there is a difference of opinion :)
My apologies to the TM if this spoilt ur thread.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: lumos_31



School authorities are answerable to the govt and the Board. U can't just come in and change the whole thing IN JUST ONE SCHOOL. The school will.be penalised for that. There is a procedure to get things done. There should be adequate meetings with the Board authorities to discuss this and put forward their grievances. It is not an inside issue. Dev didn't only have a problem with the teaching methods. He had a problem with the whole system of teaching right from the excessive books to rote learning. Every school has a curriculum. U can't just deviate from it overnight just because somebody wanted to bring change. Students should pass in all subjects and not the ones they are interested in. As much as I understand Devs intentions, I cannot accept this coz of thr manner in which it happened. I get they are trying to put across a message, I totally get what u have explained but they way they have executed this track, it is OTT and such a thing never happens in real life. It's stupid and illogical.

School authorities can adopt their own methods. There are lots of innovative schools in our country which are based on National curriculum framework. No government agency will penalise any school for implementing learner friendly environment. On the contrary even government wants schools to follow it and change their system. N change starts from one school. Right now Dev is focussing on his children's school and the school can be a role model for others too. One cannot say ooh i cannot change the whole system, so i will not change myself or my surrounding also. Its all starts from immediate environment only. Yes change cannot happen in one day, but our show has limited time. They could have shown some more meetings n all but they choose this way which is also fine. The problem here is not curriculum but the way of imparting the curriculum which is questioned.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Have all the things u have said above been implemented? Atleast in Indian schools? Nothing that I know of. Even if they have been, is it the school which decides that?
My problem is not really with the message they are trying to give but with the manner they are trying to give it in. I'm totally for discouraging rote learning but a trustee of a school cannot decide such things. Neither can the school principal. It's the government which decides this.
This is where the realism of the show goes out of the window. This is the exact point I'm trying to make :)


Edit:googled about CCE since I didn't know about it. From what I understood, it is a policy to understand students difficulties by continuous evaluation from time to time in order to strengthen the learning experience. Again, the school does not implement it by itself. The CBSE directs the school to implement it.

All these things which i mentioned are written in National policy of education, Right to education act and other policy documents n these things should be implemented in schools, which unfortunately until now has n't happened. But that doesn't mean it cannot be initiated. There are schools all over India which have implemented all these practices with successful results. N as i said again government has already decided the exact thing which Dev has mentioned in its policy documents. About CCE which u are talking about CBSE has given guidelines which talks about continuous and comprehensive evaluation. The term comprehensive includes all the development of child cognitive, emotional, mental, physical, fine, gross motor skills and so on. And continuity means not only paper pencil examination of the child but continuously evaluating the child in various ways, like quiz, oral exams, practical exam etc. This is all written in CBSE guidelines which school has to implement.

Ps- I know all this because I am myself a teacher educator, who teach future teachers. So I am very well versed with all these education dynamics and theories. This is the reason i can say that whatever Dev is saying is mentioned in all our policies and he is not talking something cuckoo or unbelievable. Yes his methods can be shown in elaborate manner with meetings n all, but his theory isn't wrong.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@cscs, u still haven't got my point. If Dev would've atleast bothered to put forth these points in front of the management, then I woudve agreed to what ur saying. I respect whatever knowledge u have but that's not my issue in the first place.
But here, they are not saying that. They are trying to portray how Dev is bringing about a revolution in the education system by teaching them in his garden by himself.
Like Lakshmi said in the other thread, the writer has not bothered to research about anything on this issue. And just picked up this topic and used his imagination to go about it without keeping in mind any facts. It's a huge disappointment to me atleast, coz almost everything they showed in krpkab was relatable earlier. This, is grossly not. Nothing about this makes sense.

Anyway. Let's agree to disagree. U find this something extraordinary, I don't. Let's leave it at that :)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: cscs

School authorities can adopt their own methods. There are lots of innovative schools in our country which are based on National curriculum framework. No government agency will penalise any school for implementing learner friendly environment. On the contrary even government wants schools to follow it and change their system. N change starts from one school. Right now Dev is focussing on his children's school and the school can be a role model for others too. One cannot say ooh i cannot change the whole system, so i will not change myself or my surrounding also. Its all starts from immediate environment only. Yes change cannot happen in one day, but our show has limited time. They could have shown some more meetings n all but they choose this way which is also fine. The problem here is not curriculum but the way of imparting the curriculum which is questioned.



Where is it explicitly mentioned that teaching methods were the only problem? A school adopts xyz method, it should still conform to the norms of that particular Board. And here Dev wants them to make students study 'whatever they wish to' by writing in a single book. Tell me practically is it possible to drastically change the norms in this way? Without any discussion, so.easily just under pressure?
And nope, its not fine for me. But then again, it's my own opinion. If u cannot do justice to something don't take up the issue in the first place. I would've been happy with happy family moments for 30 episodes. I dont need a pathbreaking concept if this is gonna be the way it's handled.
Anyway, like I said in my previous reply, let's agree to disagree :)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Lumos, Dev did tried to talk to management and school regarding the same issue but they didn't listened. I have already mentioned that more meetings with the school would have been better, but even if they didn't show it that doesn't mean the whole approach is questionable.
I dunno what research writers have done, but whatever they are showing is the method mentioned in all education policies, you can go and check if you want. The point Dev is shown revolutionary, well many valid and good points have been raised in the show even before, which are single handedly solved by Sonakshi or Boses or other people. The show never dramatised things, yes in the process it show characters "super human" sometimes, but that doesn't mean their issues will be discarded. Yes i got your point that Dev would have brought the change in a more realistic way but that doesn't lessen his efforts of the issue itself.

I will clear your "whatever they wish" to confusion. Dev used this line once in front of Suhana and asked her she can read whatever she wants to, for which you have implied that he wants children to learn "whatever" they want. But it is not correct. I am hoping that you have watch the show yourself and not relying on WU, because the line was said in a very different context. N dev's point is about teaching methods. Again if you have watch the episode, Dev taught children, photosynthesis and history lessons in a play way manner. So here he taught students the prescribed curriculum (approved) but in a different way. He didn't asked children what they wanna study individually and taught them separately. He just made the whole process enjoyable. Again and again I am telling you all these "changed norms" are written in the policy documents which has to be implemented. And i have seen innovative schools in India, where joyful teaching methods are used. Oh yes Digantar is one innovative school in Jagatpura Jaipur, which provide education with only one notebook. :)

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