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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#201

@ Shaavi

May be you did not see my post in previous page. I expressed the same as I felt now she is cornered and has to open up on her love for him.

Same thoughts regarding Bijoy also. That is why when I read your posts I get relief. I am not the only one who is thinking that way. I feel we should not hesitate to say our thoughts. When a ch behaves in such a way that we feel intrigued what is wrong in expressing the same?

Lakshmi

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Danseuse

@Danseuse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#202

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Rekha, I have to admit I am a little bit confused about what you are trying to say. I don't think Sonakshi is choosing to fall in love with Dev again, but rather she has always been in love with him and her active choice is not to act on it at this point. I totally agree that the conversation about his girlfriends over the past seven years is due, but I only see it as been necessary and apt once Sona admits to him that she loves him, but shares her doubts about re-entering a relationship.

😊 Very good observation Sam. The way I look at Sonakshi's character, post leap, unlike pre-leap where she 'fell in love with Dev', she had the choice to stay away from him. She chose to take Suhana to Delhi to meet Dev, she chose to share her office space with Dev, she chose to take back the police complaint, she chose to go to the summer camp, she chose to let Dev live with Boses in their home and then stayed in the Dixit mansion, she chose to pursue the Khatri matter etc etc. In all these events, she has chosen to allow Dev to re-enter her life and be in close proximity with her and Suhana. While viewers have seen her discomfort and also concealment of her attraction towards Dev, again, she is in complete denial mode. The very reason why she perhaps chose to promise Bijoy that Dev has no place in her life. So, for me, if Dev's infidelity is true, she is again 'choosing to fall in love with him', accepting him with this biggest flaw! She could have always been in love with Dev, that's a realisation part. But, as a self-respecting woman, it's important to clarify this part of Dev's character or it could again create a rift in their relationship.

As for Soha, would it really be a big deal for her to meet Dev's ex-es? Like you said, she is mature for her age and (grudgingly) understands that her parents are single. Moreover, she knows that Dev had no idea of her existence in those seven years. I don't think a Dev who (unfairly) took full responsibility for the fact that he didn't know about Soha would have too much of a problem taking ownership and explaining the fact that he had girlfriends when he thought that Sona was never coming back.

Suhana has been shown as far mature than her age. But, children are so smart and also innocent. If Golu can be mislead about BigCha and if he can also warn Dev about flirtations, then Suhana can be more direct. She has only seen Dev with Sonakshi and is under the impression that her Dad only loves Mama. The fact that she has agreed to lie is only to bring her parents together. So, her Dad's past behaviour (if it ever comes up) is likely to create a dent about her 'perfect daddy pic' and can be used by XGKB and Vicky at any stage.

I guess I am confused about why you feel this issue compromises the script at this stage in the story?

I personally don't advocate infidelity. If a woman walks out of her home and chooses to stay away for seven years and then makes a trip back to find her husband completely changed and then chooses to live with him despite his 'new flaws' is difficult to digest. Whether the flaws have been left behind or not is another point altogether, considering that Dev keeps repeating that 'let's forget the past'!!! But, as a viewer, I feel that the script is being changed at random, either to manage TRPs or there is an imminent closure happening soon. Tomorrow, if the TRPs rise, to manage the extension given, this dimension could also be added to the script, to give another twist!!! That would be really surprising.

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#203

Another song for Sona that popped into my head today:

"Listen To Your Heart"

By Roxette

I know there's something in the wake of your smile.

I get a notion from the look in your eyes, yea.

You've built a love but that love falls apart.

Your little piece of heaven turns too dark.

Listen to your heart

when he's calling for you.

Listen to your heart

there's nothing else you can do.

I don't know where you're going

and I don't know why,

but listen to your heart

before you tell him goodbye.

Sometimes you wonder if this fight is worthwhile.

The precious moments are all lost in the tide, yea.

They're swept away and nothing is what it seems,

the feeling of belonging to your dreams.

Listen to your heart

when he's calling for you.

Listen to your heart

there's nothing else you can do.

I don't know where you're going

and I don't know why,

but listen to your heart

before you tell him goodbye.

And there are voices

that want to be heard.

So much to mention

but you can't find the words.

The scent of magic,

the beauty that's been

when love was wilder than the wind.

Listen to your heart

when he's calling for you.

Listen to your heart

there's nothing else you can do.

I don't know where you're going

and I don't know why,

but listen to your heart

before you tell him goodbye.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#204

@Rekha: I see what you are saying, but I think there is more to Sona's characterisation in S2. It's all about what she is willing to admit to herself, and how she frames her actions. She did make all of those choices that brought her closer to Dev, first physically and now emotionally, but she has always had an alternate narrative handy to convince herself and others that she isn't doing it because she loves him. With coming to Delhi and refusing to leave his office space, it was her professional integrity. When he discovered his daughter's existence, it became all about supporting Soha's relationship with her father, and her latest convenient label is this friendhship thing.

Except for that one breakdown when Dev was missing, she has never admitted, even to herself (as evidenced by the recent mirror scene when she asserts that she has moved on), that she interested in a relationship with him, or that his presence or absence makes a difference to her. When she has invested so much into this image that she is so over and above it all, she leaves herself no room to ask about his past relationships, because that would reveal that she actually cares. That is why I feel like she has to admit her feelings in order for these conversations to even come onto the table.

"So, her Dad's past behaviour (if it ever comes up) is likely to create a dent about her 'perfect daddy pic' and can be used by XGKB and Vicky at any stage."

Here, I feel like Dev has been very smart in his approach to Suhana. From admitting that he was at fault for the collapse of Sona and his relationship to taking the entire blame for Bijoy's anger, Dev has always presented himself to his daughter as a flawed person who makes mistakes but who loves her intensely and unconditionally. I agree that there is room for manipulation, but I also think that Dev would be able to handle it, based on the precendent of candid conversation he has set with Soha.

I personally don't advocate infidelity. If a woman walks out of her home and chooses to stay away for seven years and then makes a trip back to find her husband completely changed and then chooses to live with him despite his 'new flaws' is difficult to digest. Whether the flaws have been left behind or not is another point altogether, considering that Dev keeps repeating that 'let's forget the past'!!!

This is interesting. I don't actually see what Dev did as infedelity at all. Since they call each other "ex," I have always taken for granted that they are divorced and that they were very much single during their separation. And that is the clincher for me. Sona has not chosen to live with "her husband," despite his flaws, she has chosen to live with her child's father, solely in that capacity. If Sona had re-married Dev on Soha's insistence, then I would agree with you completely but she is not at all at that stage in her own personal narrative; we are still getting there slowly.

I feel like Dev's "let's forget the past" is not genuine. It's a mockery of the fact that Sona keeps saying that when she doesn't mean it. Dev is ready to talk about the past and atone for his mistakes. It is Sona who insists that they should forget all these "purani batein," in an effort to maintain the impression that she has moved on evolved beyond all of this petty drama. The way I see it, by agreeing for this marriage and making her sit through his trysts with another woman, Dev is trying to dredge up that honest bitterness in Sona so they can actually face it instead of doing this pointless dance where they prentend not to care about each other as much as they do. Her refusal to reveal how she really feels has become a wall that both he and Ishwari are trying to break down with their separate but aligned efforts.

As for Sona, she feels like that very bitterness is what makes a relationship impossible, as she said to Asha the other day. She doesn't want to burden Dev with her less than magnanimous feelings about their past, not realising that Dev doesn't buy into her facade as much as she thinks. He expects her to be bitter and angry, and is perfectly willing to take that on, but she doesn't unleash it unless she is emotionally uninhibited. When Elena mentioned Dev's girlfriends, Sona claimed that she didn't care, but when the fight between her and Dev began to heat up, it tumbled out and she revealed that it was actually playing on her mind. I think I understand your point of view a little better now, but I see that as the next phase in the story. Dev's affairs are not forogtten but repressed in Sona's mind. She has to communicate and open up about her mixed feelings for her issues with the relationship to be addressed properly.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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havima

@havima

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Posted: 8 years ago

#205

Sam thank you for the above post. For the last 2 weeks, since they friend zoned each other several questions were arising and was constantly on my mind. And u hve answered some of thm without me asking.

My intention is not to hurt anyone and if it does please forgive me. I know there are single women in this forum and it is their choice to remain single. And my question was related to the single status. My sincere apologies again nd i will edit it out if it hurts anyone.

My questions were...

1. Sona has donned on a hard exterior nd convinced herself tht 'just friends' status works fine for her... with a glossed over 'wifey haq'. But is it even possible to remain just friends with a palpable attraction simmering between thm?. ( i know a 'no' is definitely a ' no' frm a woman but for how long with a man whom she is in love with nd is in denial).

2. I know tht the gentleman dev will never force her. But whn ur object of affection nd love of ur life is entwined with u day in nd out .. is it possible to remain celibate whn particularly he has confessed his desire for a reunion?.

3. Elders are always meddling with their children lives. How much ever we tell thm politely nd firmly to stay away... thy turn deaf ears ( personal experience😕). And now whn ishwari can see dev sona's dynamics playing right in front of her ( unlike their initial dating days where everything was hidden frm her), she can see thru their masks nd hence her initiation of remarriage googly to unite thm asap. Even if there were no remarriage talks elders will find ways to throw the couple together to have private moments(and thy never give up until thy achieve desired results)...wht happens thn?. Would thy hve acted on it or just run away frm each other?.

Physical intimacy is an inseparable part in the expression of love nd trust and i personally feel the platonic portrayal of dev nd sona's "friendship' a bit exaggerated. In my personal experience.. i have bitter fights with my husband, (vampire vs warewolf types)... nd giving silent treatments to each other for several weeks. But after the first week there is always the awareness of each other nd who takes the first step to apologise to 'make up'. And i tell u mine is a typical arranged marriage and the trust love nd intimacy levels grows as years pass by nd here we are talking abt a couple who are very much in love.

In the case of dev nd sona... with the 'ex' factor still hanging bet thm, with constant touch points in close proximity, with spiced up tom nd jerry fights... i really wonder how far thy can carry out this 'best friends' facade. Personally ( call me shameless), i will be the flag bearer for 'next to impossible' for this.

I was just thinking these questions aloud nd shared it here. Please feel free to tell me to edit it if thy are nonsensical or if thy hurt anyone(albeit unintentionally). I repeat the questions posted were to understand the dynamics of the estranged couple who are in love with my personal experience. Since sam's post was answering few of my questions i thought i could post the rest too.

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Deepa

@deepsel

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Posted: 8 years ago

#206

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

@ Deepsel

while his daughter is stuck with memories😆

@ Deepsel

Really? What about her assurance to Bijoy that there is nothing left between them both? And she also told Asha that he is just Soha's father.

Why should any one curse Dev for moving on? Firstly he is doing it because of Sonakshi.

Secondly Sonakshi herself tried to move on with Ritwick. So no one has a right to blame Dev,especially not Bijoy who wanted Sona to marry Jatin.

Lakshmi

Lakshmi, I apologize if just that gist of my entire post got you aggravated, frankly I was quite taken aback with the sharp tone of your response. My post is simply to walk through Bijoy's shoes since Grace requested because I have lived and seen most part of that initial marriage crisis and have seen my dad's reaction (even worse) which was showcased exactly by Bijoy here and hence can visualize his POV. I have not justified his behavior but just stating this type of behavior is realistic in normal world and I do understand why he behaves the way he behaves.

For your questions, Yes Sona told all those things and am not denying that, so does that mean a father doesn't have a right to worry about his daughter's future who has made up her mind to live single? Even though they accept the decision and support to move on, that irking feeling of seeing your daughter alone never goes away while the other party moving on happily, no matter whose fault it is. Everything takes time especially to see ones own fault!!

Jealousy and revenge is a common trait of human nature and not everyone has that maturity to accept their side of faults and showcase their goodwill to their deceivers at critical times. Yes Dev is moving on for Sonakshi but does Bijoy knows that ? According to him Sona was forced to do this matchmaking process by Ishwari which is intern breaking her heart and Dev is being part of this charade.

Also here Bijoy is not blaming Dev for moving on , infact he is happily waiting for that day so Sona can be freed from this emotional baggage and thats why I said he is a better father to wish good for Dev even if its for selfish reasons compared to most normal fathers like mine because if am in Sona's position my father can't digest the fact that the guy is getting remarried while his daughter is adamant to live with his old memories. And I should be responsible for most of that fault for his behavior and thinking and so I blame Sona here for that ! Hope I was able to convey what I wanted to , if not lets agree to disagree and move on.

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Deepa

@deepsel

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Posted: 8 years ago

#207

Originally posted by: bashingHater2

Thanks for this.
Although Bijoy accepted Dev half heartedly, he was ready to accept him provided he kept his daughter happy. You see during Masoorie track, dinner as well as the clothes folding drama, he sided with Dev. All he asked for was to keep his daughter happy but all the time during their marriage he saw how his daughter got hurt and was mistreated. I will also like to say this that his fears were validated by Dev and Ishwari's actions just like Ishwari's fears were validated by Sonkashi's actions. But the difference is while Bijoy's fears were there for all the right reasons, the same can not be said for Ishwari.

Absolutely agree !

But you said every daughter in India is treated like a princess in Indian culture? If that's the case, how will you attribute this characteristic to the daughters who are buried alive? Infact, very few daughters , not only in India, but in whole sub continent are treated in that manner. So, if a girl is treated in a special way, that is indeed a blessing for her. (my opinion)

Hmm I should have categorized it as in my social geographic experience 90% of middle class families do treat their daughters as princesses. They are indeed treated as "Ghar ki Lakshmi" as daughters but the same can't be said about being wives.. I shouldn't have categorized as all indian families, my bad ! Lets say I am indeed one of those blessed daughter then😆

Secondly, it is not only Sonakshi who is keeping things from him. Asha is also responsible for not sharing pertinent details to Bijoy. She chose to hide the theft incident, Soha's fever, Sonakshi's stay for an extra week and now Sonakshi helping out Ishwari in her struggles. If Sonakshi is responsible for not opening her heart to Bijoy, Asha is responsible for keeping him in dark regarding incidents which will help him change his perception.

Agree BH, thats why I said Bijoy doesn't know the whole story which the entire Bose family know and that includes Asha as well. I hold Sona more responsible because she is the one who made that promise and she is the one who is giving him false hope that she is ready to live her life stronger and independent as he believes. As long as Sona carries on with this fake strength charade, even Asha can't cut through Bijoy because he will continuously be validated by Sona's actions happily.

With this, the anankastic personality disorder that I attributed to Bijoy is because he has become rigid in his thought process (regarding the Dixits), tries to control situations because he feels he was unable to control things before. He has very little tolerance for complexity and now attributes Dixits as wrong people.

Possible, am buddhu in psychology so will take your word on this😆

He tries to control Sonakshi's life in particular because he has seen how he was unable to help her daughter getting hurt the first two times. Now he feels she will again break her heart, so he has decided to take the reigns in his hands. But then why does he feel the need? Because of how many things are kept hidden from him as well as Dev's behavior with him. Not only this, Deeps has stated how after leap, he hasn't been able to see any change in the Dixits.

Agree the hidden truths have indeed made his hold on Sona and his distrust of Dixits more stronger. Thats why I say as long as he sees the changes with his own eyes and believe them to be true, Bijoy won't change that hold on Sona or his thoughts about Dixits😳
Of to read your post...😊😊

Thank you😊

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bashingHater2

@bashingHater2

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#208

@Deepsel

I agree with every word you say especially the blessed daughter thing. You know even in middle class families, most daughters are not treated that way and I am talking from my personal story. So when I read such stories, I feel elated that such fathers exist. Sorry for sharing my personal bit there.

I think that disclosure of Vicky's ploy might help Bijoy thinking that the Dixits did not stoop the level to hurt his family. While he is protective of Sonakshi, he is also unable to forget this thing and it should be brought in the open to help him accept Dixits whole heartedly. I also think this will be a parallel to Khatri's track which helped Sonakshi getting in Ishwari's good books. You know Bijoy's gripe is more with Ishwari than Dev. I guess it was revealed during the time when he goes to talk to Ishwari regarding the bracelet. His dialogues saying that what kind of a mother you are who is not happy in her son's happiness reflects that thought process. Hence he fears Sonakshi getting hurt because he believes she might still manipulate Dev just like Asha thought about Ishwari.

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bashingHater2

@bashingHater2

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#209

@Deepsel

I think that disclosure of Vicky's ploy might help Bijoy thinking that the Dixits did not stoop the level to hurt his family. While he is protective of Sonakshi, he is also unable to forget this thing and it should be brought in the open to help him accept Dixits. I also think this will be a parallel to Khatri's track which helped Sonakshi getting in Ishwari's good books. You know Bijoy's gripe is more with Ishwari than Dev. I guess it was revealed during the time when he goes to talk to Ishwari regarding the bracelet. His dialogues saying that what kind of a mother you are who is not happy in her son's happiness reflects that thought process. Hence he fears Sonakshi getting hurt because he believes might still manipulate Dev just like Asha thought about Ishwari.

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Deepa

@deepsel

Rocker

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Posted: 8 years ago

#210

Originally posted by: Shaavi
@Deepa. Wonderful come back post. But usually posts like those raise questions in me. So here I go. It is true that Bijoy has seen all the things you have mentioned. But in all these why he never saw his or his daughters contribution to the same. Why does never once he thought that both he and his daughter needs to introspect or retrospect. Why he assumes that he and his daughter are above reproach and that they are superior to Dev and Dixits. He is someone who preaches truthfulness and honesty, yet told his daughter to not reveal that she is planning to open a company and is looking for loan. How right is this hypocrisy. Is Bijoy really just a protective father.

Not intended to hurt anyone. When I usually write posts, I don't really judge them and am as unbiased as possible. Maybe I am critical of Sonakshi or Bijoy since they most of the time preach but not follow their own advice. When it comes to them following their own words, they turn back which makes me think. That gets reflected in my posts. What I am happy with current episodes is Sonakshi who always was able to wriggle out of the consequences by using her words is now trapped in the same because of her own words. She now has no place to go and no way to hide her true self. I for one want to see the real Sonakshi.

I have no problem with you shooting questions Shaavi, infact they bring up some excellent perspectives from the writers here, so thank you😳 We are both seeing the opposite side of the same coin and we both are not wrong. As I explained in Lakshmi's reply for a basic human mind to introspect themselves, it requires time and acceptable circumstances. So far Bijoy and Sona seeing only their side of hurt and justification because they are bombarded with incidents from Dixit side one after the other validating their stand! I felt Bijoy asking to hide Sona about the company emerged from the self respect of a middle class man, especially after being taunted multiple times as gold diggers directly by GKB and indirectly by Ishwari. I say this because I came from a family where my father has taught me to starve than taking money from others and absolutely not from those who sees us down. Oddly I did expect such values in others too which led to misunderstandings after marriage. I may not debate if this lifestyle is correct but such people do exist and I won't categorize them as hypocrites😊 And to realize that not everyone thinks alike and our mode of lifestyle is not the only correct way , it takes time and some truths to be revealed! So yes Bijoy is just a protective father who won't realise his folly unless Sona screams her gut out how much pain she is in and like you that's the reason am excited for this track😊.

@All: I guess I have made my POV about Bijoy quite extensively clear inside this thread and like to stop here as I don't want the discussion to waver to who is more wrong and right way which will nullify the purpose of this thread😊. Frankly I feel every character has their fair share of rights and wrongs and this flawless is the beauty of KRPKAB and I would like to maintain that beauty in our discussions too rather than debating to and forth. Thank you for all the beautiful discussions and Sorry if I had hurt anyone with mine.