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Posted: 8 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: -allizwell-


Agree. Dev will defn not hate her. The guess of knocking off someone arises from the fact that Khatri knows something which her kids doesn't. he has witnessed something which can be a social stigma for Ishu if police involved in this matter. Ishu is possibly scared of the social stigma...she and family will have to face...in particular Dev who has made it to success after all the years of hard work. She must be in fear of circumstances after the truth is out and not hate from Dev. Again it is also possible that if in the eyes of law, she has killed someone, will her own people stand by her at this juncture... the psychological fears must be making her restless everytime she meets Khatri.


Makes sense. Cos she was distinctly scared of the truth being revealed to Dev. I really want it to be something which makes him break down/hate his mom. Can't take more of ' my mom is amazing, 'tu bhagwan hai' nonsense. So this truth better be something which makes Dev depressed and not worship his mom more 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#92
@astrix
He does not worship his mom anymore. But since she is a single mother with no education and support, he respects her and blames everyone MORE including himself. But I think Dev is gearing to a major crash, let's wait.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Yet to read the last 3 pages of this thread...But for now I am with the latest spoiler of Dev leaving Dixit house.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: astrix90


Makes sense. Cos she was distinctly scared of the truth being revealed to Dev. I really want it to be something which makes him break down/hate his mom. Can't take more of ' my mom is amazing, 'tu bhagwan hai' nonsense. So this truth better be something which makes Dev depressed and not worship his mom more 😆


Although I believe Ish's Goddess image is broken,yet the level of devotion Dev has for her is still very high.There's nothing wrong in that but it blinds him towards her faults.Anyways I'm sure this matter is gonna go against Ish.A spoiler of Dev leaving IN has already come.Let's see.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: Aishu13

@astrix
He does not worship his mom anymore. But since she is a single mother with no education and support, he respects her and blames everyone MORE including himself. But I think Dev is gearing to a major crash, let's wait.


Yeah. Am kinda done with the random jealousy scenes in all honestly. I'd really like to see Dev embrace the possibility of Sona moving on and letting go. This MU can prove to be a blessing in disguise that way 😆 Instead of showing Dev fuming and fretting in every alternate episode. Its been ages since we saw something mature between Dev-Sonakshi. Dev letting go will do just that. And yeah, the mystery better be something which breaks Dev 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@DQ: That was a marvellous post! It framed the whole episode like a prism, using the supporting cast to show the different colours that diverged from the single beam that is Sonakshi Bose(-Dixit, apparently).

I was also incredibly impressed by Elena and I found the contrast very interesting. On the one hand, we have Sona assuming bahu status to question Khatri and on the other hand we have Elena asking her to reconsider her bahu status to give Soha her family. It is intriguing why one is so much easier for Sona than the other, and how she is behaving so much like Dev in this respect. The Dixits are paraya to her on a personal level; she can't think of forging a relationship with them again, but once a foreign threat enters the picture in the form of Khatri, they become apna and she goes all out to protect them as her own. The day Sona and Dev become apna out of love, instead of fear or threat, is the day this relationship stands a chance. What she hasn't considered is that Khatri is a problem outside the scope of her own experience, a problem that she can't fix using the tools she is used to. I hope this will help Sona see how much of a luxury moral absolutism is, reserved for a lucky minority.

What Elena doesn't see: Ishwari has not really changed. It's just that "Vicky's wife" doesn't cloud her sensibilities and her judgment the way that "Dev's wife" does. With Elena, she can be the wise, balanced, and sensitive matriarch that she couldn't be for Sona. What's more, Elena set everyone's expectations at zero, so there was nowhere to go but up. She impressed Ishwari by being a foil to Sona, a tool through which to further villainise her. When Elena could stay for a good for nothing like Vicky, Sona couldn't stay for her flawless son? And it's "misery loves company" all over again. All the women of the Dixit household were resentful of Sona because she got the rich, successful, supportive husband who worshipped the ground she walked on, and she still found room for improvement. Like I have said before, there will only be resistance to women who demand equality when they already have a husband that other women would kill for. They see it as ungrateful and arrogant. There is, however, a strong solidarity to be found among women suffering horrible men and sticking it out. I believe this is where Ishwari's support for Elena comes from.

What Elena does see: Dev. In the last seven years, Elena has a unique perspective on exactly what Sona and Soha have missed, because she and Golu benefitted directly. Dev supported her career and was a friend to her, and he brought Golu up almost single-handedly. For Sona, Dev is still stuck in the same place she left him seven years ago, and to be fair, he doesn't do much to contradict that impression in her eyes. This is where Elena is instrumental. In S1, she was instrumental in helping Sona admit and surrender to her feelings for Dev. Even then, she was the pragmatic one, advising Sona not to take pontential rejection so seriously. Yesterday, I saw her assuming an updated, married lady version of that same role.

Lastly, it was very cute that Jatin read Dev like a book. I am all for this love-hate bromance. He cleverly sidestepped all the Dev-Sona mind games and went to meet Soha, which he knows is not Dev's problem any more. But what was with threatening Vicky so openly? Vicky still poses a significant threat to Sona and Soha and Jatin isn't in IN to follow through on his threats. Wouldn't it have been better just to go with a "jo sochna hai such lo" kind of response? Is this Jatin's lover-boy junoon? 😕 On the other hand, could this confrontation be a foreshadowing of a possible Jatin-Elena pairing?

CVs, I could really, really use some more depth for this character. Can we have a conversation about his late wife? What was their story? Does he soulmate-love Sona, or does he see her as a great potential life partner? Did Sona know his wife, and when/how did she pass away? Jatin's character is extremely flat at the moment, even compared to Natasha and Ritwick which is uncharacteristic for this show. Since he is playing such a pivotal role in the story at the moment, I would really like to care about and relate to him much more than I currently do.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: Shaavi


@Bold Pink. Totally agree with you. The reason will be something that will explain the bonding that was shared by Dev and Ishwari and also why Ishwari is insecure and possessive about Dev. it will definitely not be something that will make Dev hate ishwari or where Sona will have to be the bridge between them.


Shaavi...Though Ishwari always delayed Dev's marriage, she never said she will not let Dev marry. Infact she had even got a chain ready for Dev's child. Her insecurity was that her bahu should not be someone better than her; and this feeling can rise only when you feel that you have some kami in you. and ho saktha hai, this raaz/daag is what is prompting her to feel so.

Btw, who all yesterday noticed that Khatri was repeatedly stating Ishwari Devi, stressing the Devi part...So, for sure Ishwari's not so devi part is going to be unveiled.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#98

Originally posted by: astrix90


Yeah. Am kinda done with the random jealousy scenes in all honestly. I'd really like to see Dev embrace the possibility of Sona moving on and letting go. This MU can prove to be a blessing in disguise that way 😆 Instead of showing Dev fuming and fretting in every alternate episode. Its been ages since we saw something mature between Dev-Sonakshi. Dev letting go will do just that. And yeah, the mystery better be something which breaks Dev 😆


@Bold-I'm glad you wrote this.Firstly there is no sane reason on Earth as to why Sona is confiding about Khatri to Jatin but is hesitant with Dev.😕
In your words I seriously feel this Sona-Jatin partnership is just to insert jealousy scenes of Dev.I don't know what problem the CV's have with Dev-spare the guy atleast in 1 episode.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas

Aishu, you've hit the nail on the head here. This is one of the reasons I strongly relate to his character. For me this is a character that has never really lived for himself. They say if you don't really love yourself, its hard to love someone else. Most of the issues Sonakshi has with Dev's "love" stems from the fact that he had a hard time loving himself without guilt.


This was something I wanted to discuss with Sam, when we were discussing male privilege and gender expectations with respect to a girl moving into a guy's house. I had started a response earlier but didn't have time to really get into it. So I hope its okay that I continue the discussion here. 😳


For me, the degree of guilt that was placed on Dev's character prevented him from having "male privilege" in the truest sense. Early on he was made to feel guilty about the advantages he enjoyed as a male, like the right to an education over Neha. So much so that he was basically "taught" that he was not "allowed" personal happiness without fulfillment of his family's happiness first (e.g. the honeymoon). Dev was required to take on the responsibility as the head male of the family but without the rights that are usually afforded to the head male of the family because he hadn't chosen it from a place of empowerment. Decisions that appeared seemingly his, always required the approval of Ishwari (like hiring Vicky in the company).


Going back to the previous discussion, in my opinion, Dev wouldn't have considered the idea of alternate living arrangements because his primary concern at that point in his life was clearing his debts-- i.e. taking care of his family and looking after his mother. IMO it was far less out of sense of male privilege or personal convenience. More than male privilege, I'd say it was male responsibility. Dev was made to be educated and successful OVER his sisters for that reason.


Obviously a lot of males in Indian culture are expected to look after their family, but I feel Dev got that message in a different way than people like Vicky or Saurabh or even Ranveer. I feel the latter 3 got the benefits of male privilege a lot more. Vicky and Saurabh could easily threaten their mothers that they would move out with their respective wives because they weren't consistently made to feel that they owed the family anything. If anything GKB instilled in Vicky a sense of entitlement that people should owe him. Ranveer's scenario was a lot closer to Dev's... but Ranveer was still taking on responsibility for his family from a place of male empowerment and maybe a little bit of male ego.

Dev, however, was emotionally manipulated into taking responsibility of his family from a place of guilt. Like the scene where Ishwari ensures Dev watches her humiliation to force him to work hard. Ishwari is a very complex character and I don't believe she is totally negative. But frankly she was a bit emotionally abusive towards Dev because of his status as a male. If anything she's more concerned about Neha not having a happy childhood than about Dev not having one.


So what Dev ended up learning was that he is not entitled to happiness unless his family is happy. Taken another way... everyone's happiness is his responsibility. That he isn't valuable unless he directly contributes to someone else's happiness.

Wow...that was a brilliant dissection of Dev's emotional instability...👏👏👏
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: gt2918


@Bold-I'm glad you wrote this.Firstly there is no sane reason on Earth as to why Sona is confiding about Khatri to Jatin but is hesitant with Dev.😕
In your words I seriously feel this Sona-Jatin partnership is just to insert jealousy scenes of Dev.I don't know what problem the CV's have with Dev-spare the guy atleast in 1 episode.


The CVs dont spare any character anyway 😆 Only Jatin and Golu seem to make sense at the moment. I'd rather they show Dev leaving the house or meeting with an accident when Shaheer is not available for shoot instead of introducing random jealousy scenes here and there. That ponytail is painful enough 😆

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