*Season 2, Week 11* Analysis Thread - Page 3

Originally posted by: sia.krpkab

Hi Lavanya, very valid questions. This is my explanation.
Dev is a weak character - never fair and square. He is loving, caring, intelligent and has many amazing qualities but the one quality that has been inversely proportional to Sonakshi (and many women like her) is the weak versus strong personality, in matters of heart and family.
If Dev was a woman, he would not have left his sasural ever... because no matter even if he would have been treated as a doormat, he would cling on to them. Self respect is zero for him when it concerns his mother. Good for him, but the biggest concern is when you expect the same from your partner too.
For him, blood is thicker than water, he is a traditionalist in his following in that regard. So what he couldn't do for himself and Sonakshi, he might do it for Soha now, because it will be his blood talking this time.
He loved Sona dearly, but he has a loser persona and lacks courage outside his bedroom when it comes to managing his mother. This is my POV on his irrational behavior upon knowing the truth.

Originally posted by: gt2918

Hi Sia Di.Thanks for the reply.I do agree with you but it's the contradiction which troubles me.After Dev was beaten up by the goons he trolled Ish in magnificent style in his bedroom.He was not loud and rash but his comments were very incisive. All that simply because Ish came with the prospect of remarriage for him.Ish turning away Sona was a huge fiasco-it kept Soha away from him for 6 years; yet the entire fiasco invited just a mild rebuke.The remarriage thing is a miniscule issue compared to Soha yet it drew a much more incisive response.That's where the contradiction steps in.In both cases it was Ish involved but the response was very different.I'm sorry if I irritate you with these repeated queries but I'm just not 100% convinced.I am pretty sure that the writers are not confused regarding Dev's character because they are the same writers who are sketching the other characters whose behaviour is pretty consistent.There must have been some thought process behind the behavioural pattern during the two incidents I have quoted but I do feel that they have not been able to convey that thought process effectively to the audience.

Sorry for this long rant...your justification did give me some respite but I would really love to hear a few more views regarding the same.

-Lavanya

Originally posted by: sia.krpkab

Lavanya, its hard to do a situation analysis from the CVs POV, but let's see if this convinces you.

Situation 1 - Remarriage Fiasco - Dev's 'lashing out' was a blend of his irritability and hurt on knowing that Sona is moving on with another man in real sense. S2 Dev is very guarded when it comes to someone commanding right on his life and moves, so the outburst. He was growing tired of repeatedly telling her to back off.Also the whole fact, that Ishwari kept bringing up Sona in their conversations led to his harsh way of telling her off because if you observe, he didn't want to talk about his agony and love (i.e. Sona) to Ishwari.

Situation 2 - By the time we reached a point of Soha coming into the picture, Dev S2 came back in his real avatar of Dev S1. His new color, or rather lease of life, is Soha, and he hugged his mother to share his happiness. Thereby, when he came to know of his mother's deciet, his reaction was less of an outburst because, he already transitioned to Dev S1 avatar. Thereby, a milder reaction towards his blind love (i.e. Ishwari maata).

Call me nuts, but I think this is probably what happened.

Originally posted by: gt2918

Just wanted to highlight a point.A lot of really good discussion has been done on the use of the word 'feminist' by Dev.There has been some great in-depth analysis done on this but IMO it is just a blunder from the writers.I have a valid reason for that.I would request everyone to go back to s1 and rewatch the episode where Sona realises the fact that it was Ish who had been managing Dev's wardrobe and Dev had been lying all along.This was during the track where Sona was impressing upon Dev to manage his own wardrobe and become independent.In that episode when Dev was trying to pacify an angry Sona, he says-"Sona main koi anti-feminist ya chauvinist nahi hun".So it's obvious Dev knows the true concept of feminism.From not being an anti-feminist 7 years ago the writers now portray Dev as someone who is averse to feminism.More importantly the writers are showing that he does not know the true meaning of feminism.Acc. to the current track he has confused feminism for misandry.In short it's a blooper.I just hope the writers remember what they had written earlier.

Originally posted by: JShukla

The word and the social movement being mocked on national television does leave a bad taste. I am not sure how many women statistically bully or opress or in general be unfair to men. But I have certainly had more experience with the other way around.

I have had a more fair share of women using /displaying feminism in right spirit than the other way round. However the right spirit itself is mocked and perceived as a bias against men..oh the irony.

And please just ignore me. A Monday afternoon with lesser workload does it to me...

Does Feminist movement need a re-branding exercise? I think yes...

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

@gt2918

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The whole feminism vs chauvinism vs misandry debate has been going on for a while now. There are a few ways of looking at this

1. What you say. Its a mistake on the dialogue writers' part. I for one thought so till the last week's episode. Because firstly, I have fond Dev quite a feminist and his knowledge of English Language seems good enough to be know the meaning of the word.

2. Or, like many other posters have said. He is probably saying to Sona, you used to believe in gender equality. Why now have you started getting all shouty and portraying that women are ALWAYS better at everything compared to men. This explanation fits better after their discussion in the office.

3. In the jungle when he says you are a feminist. I *think* he was saying, stop acting like those shouty people who think they are feminists and listen to me for once.

I think the use has been quite ambiguous but as time goes we might see it gets tackled. Its a tightrope and the writers either get it right or just drop the use of the word

PS: I sent a note to Mamta Patnaik on this topic. I dont think it was picked (I sent it to her on facebook and it doesn't show as "read". I am not on twitter).

Originally posted by: gt2918

That's a beautiful explanation you have given.It makes good sense.It's very highly probable that the CV's would have gone the way you have suggested.I am fully convinced with your reasoning.Thank you so much for that.

Dev blamed both Sona and Ish for letting him down post that brutal separation night at the end of S1.

Just a few minutes ago I thought of an alternate reason for Dev's behaviour.I would like to know your opinion on this.

Dev came to Ish Niwas only once or twice a week for the duration of 7 years.Looking at his initial post leap behaviour it wouldn't be wrong to assume that he was being indifferent and sarcastic towards her whenever he returned home during that phase of 7 years.So he had a period of 7 years to vent out his anger on Ish but he did that through incisive sarcasm rather than absolute rudeness simply because he has immense love for his mother.

The second lady he blamed was Sona but he was away from her for 7 years so he never got an outlet to vent out his feelings.These feelings bottled up for 7 years probably made him give such rude and knee jerk responses to Sona once he met her after the leap.I'm talking of his behaviour in the award function and his rude office behaviour.

Precisely. It was all built up emotions and the faster they come out of the washing the better it is for Dev, Sonakshi and the rest of us mere mortals.

Then Soha enters the frame.He realises that Ish sent Sona away because she was unaware of Soha.He forgives her coz it was a MU and his return to his S1 avatar as you mentioned drew a mild response from him.He may have realised that he has been pretty rude to her for 7 long years and he must let go of his anger now.Also he saw Ish being geniunely happy on becoming a grandmother due to which he softened his stance.

Yes. Ishwari & Sona's relationship is one thing. And Ishwari's genuine happiness on being a grandmother is another. Dev's happiness can coincide with Ishwari's and that is what has happened this time with soha

With Sona things were different.Her attempt to get back to him was half-hearted in his opinion.When she returned to Dixit house the watchman clearly said-"Aapko Dev sahab se milne se mana kiya hai".The way this dialogue is said clearly indicates that it was a third person (Ish) who had instructed the watchman and not Dev.Sona did not hear the watchman properly otherwise she would have realised it was Dev.Honestly I don't blame Sona for that coz she must have been hurt and scared on returning to that madhouse.IMO there was no need for her to return to Dixit house.However for a twisted psyche like Dev ,Sona not being attentive enough towards the watchman's words and making a half hearted attempt is a reason of great anger.All said & done the fact is that Sona enjoyed 6 years of Soha's childhood which he and Ish were deprived of.This in itself is good enough reason to make him angry.

umm.. I dont know.. I dont think Dev knows who said what to whom. He is just disappointed at how things have ended up partly due to fate.

What we need to realise for Dev (and many men in general) is that their mother and wife are equal but not identical. he had different expectations from his mother and from his wife. Whatever happened, has not challenged his core beliefs but it has tempered and largely qualified how he now applies his beliefs

Do you want to elaborate on the "twisted psyche" comment please?

I do not support this thought process but Dev could have thought like this.

What's your take on this long ramble.Does it make sense ? Having said that I am pretty sure the writers would have gone by your explanation because that is a much better justification.

I hope I haven't bored you with this discussion.

Originally posted by: JShukla

Payal- I am not citing any specific media references. But I am sure the crimes against women and women being oppressed by men is larger in statistics. the instances you pointed stand out because well , we women (and I don't disown my own coz they are not fair. ) are fairly unfair whenever some of us get our way. this is a way pulls down the ones who've blown their lungs out that we want to be fair and want equality and not superiority.

I agree that there could be numerous real examples of women misusing their power, etc or of women being unfair and using the feminine card for undue gains, etc. I have also seen them, but they are far less than the other way around.

If we come to think of it this is what the feminist dont want. No un-fair grounds . no one gets to play the victim card... utopia I know🤡.

Also why Dev's comment rattled me was, Sona(according to me and I know many will absolutely disagree and I respect that) has been quite fair and has not once said I am good and better coz I am a woman. she's maintained good dignity in all her responses.