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@chut007

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Posted: 8 years ago

#91

Originally posted by: randommusings
I think CVs have done a pretty good job in creating rival camps Team Dev n Team Sona. N they are doing everything possible to hate one character in order to defend the other. It has become very difficult to become neutral these days with so much negativity in the show and in social media

You feel show has become one sided in favour of Sona but let me show you how the other side feels -

1. Sona has become arrongant and rude post leap. Her anger n mean words towards Dev has also been termed bitchy
2. She never really loved Dev n never understood his POV whereas Dev's love was selfless n unconditional
3. She complained abt being outsider in Dev's house but never confided anything abt Bose fam to Dev
4. Dev was so worried in S1 Sona's accident scene but Sona didn't even shed one tear for Dev post goons attack.She is that cold and indifferent now
5. Sona was the sole reason of separation. She left Dev even when he chose Sona over his family
6. Returning that 5cr was not bcoz of family's self respect but bcoz of her ego. She was wrong in returning that money
7. Dev was right to tell her Get out bcoz she held his collar infront of his family
8. She accused him of everything going wrong in their marriage
9. She didn't trust Dev n believed only Vicky
10. She hid Soha from Dev for her selfish reasons, to punish Dev
11. Sona should have realised that all those harsh words Dev said was bcoz he was angry n hurt..how can she believe those words
12. Sona's parenting has been questioned...she can't even see how much Soha miss her Dad.Soha is so boring n unhappy bcoz of Sona's parenting
13. Sona badmouths Dev infront of Soha
14. She neglects Soha and is only worried about her business n insulting Dev
15. Sona never stops Bijoy from badmouthing Dev
16. She was so desperate to become a good bahu that she never tried to become good wife n hence the separation
17. She acts just like Bijoy...hot headed irrational
18. She is just like Ishwari...insecure
19. Sona mocks abt Dev's business n achievements
20. She calls Dev mumma's boy n spineless
21. She shud be blamed for trying to help out Ish in kitchen or managing Dev's wardrobe - this resulted in Ish's insecurities
22. She put that ghastly jhula in room n didn't remove it even after Dev got hurt
23. She moved on...earlier also she was ready to get married to Rithwik n now happy with Jatin
24. Sona became successful only bcoz of Dev's harsh words motivated her

N the list continues...
So maybe Dev n Sona are actually on a level playing field n they truly deserve each other.

Nothing to add..
You summed it up..
Just brilliant..

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vibg

@vibg

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#92

I agree. Only way clueless & spineless Dev canbe forgiven by Sona is.. if and when he keeps his money/power/ego aside and leave his mom's pallu to become a father to Soha... who will do right by her and protect her and continue to give her a loving home as Sona has all these years. Instead ofdragging her mother to court, humiliating her again, using the power ofhismoney to cheeno a daughter from loving mother just so he can fufil Ishwari's wishes 😡

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sproutbean8

@sproutbean8

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#93

Originally posted by: pkbdas61

Completely agree and well said. There are far more people in categories 1,2 and 3 that they can imagine. If it was only 4 category audience, I would not be a fan of the show or even be in this forum.

Girl power and feminism is a lot more than what is shown... not trying to do things tit for tat. apparently the CV's have a different view...

I feel the majority of viewers are in group 2 now ever since the first breakup and are hoping the story gets back on track to being simpler and happier.

I did want to add that I feel to some extent the writers are becoming lazy with the story line, I no longer see the crisp story and dialogues we initially had. They don't seem to close any of the major loops rather they get brushed under the carpet (neha divorce, ria marriage, mami burning down her house, Ishwaris past) or get a really abrupt or random end (make up after the first breakup, infertility, the prenup to some extent). if they see viewers complaining too much they throw in a romantic scene between the leads as a reset to all the negativity (season 1) in season 2 I think they will exploit the chemistry of Shaheer and the kids as the reset to appease viewers until they can get the leads back to romance level, because I don't feel the chemistry between Erica and the girl garnered that much attention as Shaheer and the boy did.

The writers are able to introduce interesting subplots and build up them up really well even with the added drama but are unable to conclude them and the subplots end up falling flat.

I am one of those that felt they didn't need the leap because there was still so much to resolve in season 1, but have accepted the leap. However, now after a few weeks it feels like they took the leap because they didnt know how to resolve all the negativity of season 1and wanted a reset, okay fine. However, I don't see the story moving forward its been 3 weeks now and all I know is Sona and Dev hate each other sortof and Dev Ishwari have a strained relationship.

I see them repeating their mistakes again in season 2, this negativity between Sona and Dev might please group 4 viewers, but doesn't do much to move the story forward, it actually takes away from the story. I feel they are going to show them fighting for several episodes and then magically in one episode they will make up much like the initial break up track, where they got back together literally overnight. The viewers of group 1,2,3 will again be left dumbfounded because there was no real resolution to the problems ... I hope this isnt the case.

The writers of this show have a unique situation where viewers are hooked because of the leads, instead of using this opportunity to flex their creative muscles they end up spending their energy on creating and dragging nonsensical arguments and tashan between the leads ... I wish they would use the gift they have and tell an epic story that succeeded despite the low trp paving for more such stories in the future.

From the initial episodes of season two I thought there was actually a plot twist in that some of Devs dialogs made it sound like he had kept track of Sona all those seven years and knew about the child and this Casanova business is just an act. Even if this is not the case I hope they start moving the story forward, especially given that Shaheer will be heading to Indo for his movie soon which tends to mean that the episodes drag until he comes back.

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aadk

@aadk

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#94

Originally posted by: _Payalj_
First and foremost I am going to clearly say one thing, I at least watch the show because I still love it and if I had stopped liking it I would have packed my bags long ago. Why should I bother to watch anything that gives me a negative vibe? I watch TV to enjoy. Same way I don't post on the forum anywhere except one or two threads where I know there will not be negativity. Again the same logic. I learnt my lesson when I realised that the negativity sticks with you and gets transferred to your personal life. After all we all have a real life and it's very silly to let it get affected due to just a story. So this is my request to you also Dasji. Please treat this just as a show for entertainment.
Now coming to the characters of the show , I know you are senior to me in age but still would like to ask you a few questions is everything ever black and white? . Is there always only one side of a coin? Are you sure your entire analysis and hypotheses is not based on only one side of the story?

It's natural to look at things from the angle which is easier for us to understand, with which we are familiar.

Is Dev so horrible and Sonakshi so saintly? I don't think so. I love both these characters and both have done their fair share of mistakes, though Dev's mistakes are much more than Sona. If Dev fatal flaw was his mother and his weakness of character (nature not physical ), Sona's was a pride in her capabilities. From where we are standing this doesn't look like a weakness but then behaviour patterns have to be changed basis who we are dealing with, else it is sureshot failure or in this case divorce.

But stating that their love story is dead, I am sorry to say points to a very superficial observation of things. From day one of the leap, there were assertions being made as to how Sona is completely over Dev and doesn't care although it was obvious to any diligent observer that it was not the case.

The accident episode was an eye opener for many. But just after one day, when Sona was again rude with Dev, the same sweeping statements again started. This is actually coming across as funny and shows a very very poor understanding of human behaviour by those claiming to be immature psychologists.

We should wait some time and after a few episodes Sona's love for Dev will again be exposed. If people are not even able to read the female character properly, they are giving verdicts on who is right and who needs to be hanged, I would say it's very funny.

People don't expose their real emotions all the time. It is the fleeting expressions or behaviour patterns that matter
Sona's behaviour from day one was shouting that she is not over Dev. is it not Again a classic case of seeing what we want to?

Exactly, classic case of what we really want to see is what came to my mind by the time I finished reading this post. Frankly speaking, I find Sonakshi far from being in love with Dev. It's only his interference in her life that affects her and not his presence, unlike the case with Dev. Not being over someone is way different from being in love with that person. Some people leave such indelible marks on our souls, that we are never able to forgive or forget them and hence not over them. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's plain apathy and that's what I see Sonakshi meting out to Dev, much to the latter' displeasure.

And before we call someone immature, I guess we need to realise that all that we are holding on to are our very own subjective perspectives, not eternal truths to disrespect the ones on the other side.

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Hari73

@Hari73

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#95

Mr. Das... pls. excuse this post.

This is exclusively for Sajini. I had no much time in office to put my view on each point. So.. i am doing it from home.

Sajini.. pls. dont mind.. it is my POV.. please don't feel offended. I think we dont think in similar way. I have different opinion on your point. I dont know how to make separate post from this. so i am commenting her.

I agree on sona went overboard on impressing Dixit family. Day one if she had put boundaries, then she would not have suffered this much.

To your points :

I love Dev-Golu relationship.. and that is heavenly.. its not like Ms Suhana Bose n Ms Sonakshi Bose.. too complicated for me to see a mother n daughter calling each other in surnames...

I found it too cute of mother and daughter calling Ms. bose, Dr. bose. From the beginning I loved How sonakshi used to say Its Dr. bose for you, Its Ms. Bose for you.. Now i am finding really cute this mother and daughter relation.

Dev-Golu relationship is also cute.. only i found Dev should be correcting Golu whenever he does mistake. Here again Dev doing mistake. Here Golu turning to be bullying hurting.. which is not good.

Dev has started to give it back to interfering families who needs to know what is their limits in ones life...Mamaji.. Mamiji.. and Vikki...

And the goons beating Dev-Devakshi moments.. and talks b/w them.. resurfaced the face that these 2 are still not yet over and love and care for each other...-

Love still exists between them.. no doubt. Otherwise both wont risk their life to save each other.

There is enough for me to love Dev... and see the changes that is visible in him post leap.. and am waiting for Sonakshi to know the real truth.. if she care to.. i will wait n watch...

1) I clearly remember how Ishwari said a dialogue to Sona in the temple, and how we all said... this lady is mad... and so rude...

"Now I want you to be a mother, to understand the bond of a mother and child..."

As I remember, she cursed sona to have child, so that she should know when someone snatches away your child how it feels, when sonakshi never tried to separate mother and son. I think this is worst curse any mother can give to other mother.

Sona became a mother,.. but frankly she is doing the same as Ishwari.. as long as Soha is doing what Sona loves.. she is the best bla bla.. but are we all not seeing how she is missing her father..

(So called best daughter.. forgot that her daughter in order to win the title.. is not having that share of love... which a grandpa, uncle, grandma.. cannot complete.. She is not seen even having a friend.. and can one call her normal?

A 6 year old child is so chirpy.. and its so nice to spend time with them.. we do not realise how innocently they eat our time.. but we call that quality time!!!)

Sona also fret Dev will snatch away Soha from her.. why dear? if your upbringing, and family is so great and a classic example.. why do you fear it? So she knows she is wrong here...

Ishwari have the same reasons.. she is not able to change and is trying to control every single hair strand of everyone's life..due to the fact that she is known as God to many.. and she probably has started to assume it herself...

waiting to explore how we can compare the 2 mothers, and what should be done for such insecurities to die...as dev crack a way for soha, he will know what to do with ishwari...

Pls. dont compare ish and sona. Ish is a most selffish, self centred, jealousy soul. She wants all the love for herself. Here If sona had that intention, she would never inform soha about dev in first place. She know value of father.. so she disclosed to him and also she told her if she wants she can meet.. its upto her. Otherwise by this time she had all the opportunity to fill her mind to go against father. which she has not done, which so evident from her drawing. Story still need to unfold. it is not that she never discloses her daughter to dev. Wait for a while. Also is it right time to disclose?? what is the status of dev now.. he is drunkard, casanova...arrogant. We should not jump to the conclusion. Being history... Dev always did snatching things. Sona's, rithwik, ranveer's job and even their house...Now when it comes to daughter, it is a natural feeling he will snatch her away. Also at the age of 6, i dont think children will have any feeling towards a person whom she has not seen. So there missing father question does not arise.

Also I wish makers dont justify Eshwari actions with sona's fear. These are two different things. If they justify.. then there is no meaning to this serial.

2) Sona is successful, in which terms?? by mocking another successful man.. serving the same way other one has offered you.. okay.. until Jatin's arrival i was under the impression, she made it on her own.. so she didn't..it was her friend.. who has helped her.. and invested in her idea... while Dev invested, she felt bad...(had made a scene) that she returned.. (if Saurabh took the money, it should have been him to return to Dev.. not ishwari..) without seeing the fact that he believes in her work...

Now lets compare this with Dev... he did it on his own.. with no help at all.. so that is being successful in career...

I being a woman, would have loved Sona to be on her own.. n come up on her own... but this.. never mind..

still not proved to me.. that she is successful.. okay she won the business woman of the year.. nice and its a great thing too.. congrats...

I like Dev.. is waiting to see.. to make it to the top is easier than to maintain the top!!! And hence it is not proven she is still successful.. to me her decision to share space with Dev.. is a very wrong move.. coz she is inviting trouble for her staff n work.. like you can see..

When Dev invested, she never felt bad. Infact she was happy. It was time, when Dev's family called her family theif, and Dev slapped father. Sajini.. you are seeing same serial right?? Also Jatin has just invested as a investor. All hardwork and idea is Sona's. Why she she should not be credited. Do you think Dev made money without any investor.. We have seen natasha case, gujaral were investing in his business.

Also Sonakshi.. never opened her mouth first place.. it was always gave it back while defending.

3) she brought back the Bose house.. indeed a joy to see it back.. a home full of memories.. but i loved that simple n open family than this one... Dixits are not over with Boses.. and Boses also not over with Dixits.. its mutual.. as everyone has kept the grudge n bitterness in their hearts..

What i loved here is the statement of Golu... katti kiya toh batti karlo.. hum yehi karte hai...

One can be shown as moved on.. only when the relevant is discussed gracefully...and am waiting for that..

4) she burnt her mangalsutra.. okay does that end a marriage legally? no talks about divorce mutual / case or pre-nuptial talked about.. so aint u waiting to c that? so i wanna see that.. then will see if Jatin can / will marry Sona.. i do certainly wanna know what will Sona do.. follow her prince charming who became like that frog prince..? or the real gentleman as they all say.. Mr Joutin...

YOu are going to too far... sona has no intention to marry any one right now. Let us see why jatin is brought in. Hope he tries to solve problem

5) She doesnt need Dev as she has a friend - great... but that again is not closed...

Her family wants her to marry Jatin.. so either that thought has to come to action.. and how Dev gracefully accepts it.. or she has to refuse the whole thing and say she is still very much in love with Dev.. and Soha needs a dad or her dad.. is still a ques.. and am waiting for that...

Here again.. you are taking one sided. Even eshwari trying to convince dev for remarriage..

6) She had a fairy tale.., yes it went awful.. so she has made Soha so strong n boring.. so that she will grow up with practical minds that do not hurt her family.. and not believe in fairy tales.. as there is nothing like that in real world... so i want to see that... how is Soha shaping in her upbringing.. trying to prove what Ishwari did to Dev was wrong...

- Soha has not been given enough screen space.. so we dont know whether is she boring.. but she is been shown as strong girl. why dont you like strong girl. You would enjoy if she came home crying?? sitting sad that boys are bullying her?? IF she gets bose traits.. she will be a good civilised person, if she gets dixit traits.. then you know..another neha..or eshwari..

7) She does not need to be in touch with any dixits.. as she is independant, successful as Asha says.. but did we forget the li'l one Soha needs to... atleast for once... who knows this was going to be the cupid to bring back innocence n change in the screwed world they all are in...? Am waiting to see how they unfold the tale...

I love shaheer and erica. only for that reason.. i want devakshi to get back.. In reality if Jatin proved to be good husband and father.. then i dont see.. child need biological father.. Here everyone making hoha.. for soha not getting father. In golu's case, parents are around him..how much affection he is getting?? why so fuss.. again one sided.. 😆

To think that Sona still loves Dev inspite of what you made him to be and the things that he is made to do to her, is extremely hard to digest. It is.. And seeing me with my partner.. is it not the same?

From what I understand life.. it is not simple.. it is filled with layered characters.. and God's purpose and approach is different... Sona has a beautiful family.. and normal childhood and upbringing.. And then Dev came to her life.. He needed help.. and Sona is his helpmeet... So all in all.. that reason is enough.. how things are n why should she come back to Dev...

Thru him, even Ishwari will finally be able to make peace..

And all this is a journey.. and it needs great patience...

You know one partner may be week, but he should agree that he is week. He should give respect. Not just blaming and hurting. Here I really dont think Dev was week. He is negligent about bose family. Otherwise he would not have slapped father like figure. Till now, GBK is badmouthing like anything.. has he ever slapped her..forget about slapping he did not even dare to stop her. It is because he consider her as family and respect her.

This show is taking a toll on most of us.. and ask me about it.. guys this is a draining process... this negativity affects us.. and it is not easy to go ahead with this goal...so i request all.. to step back from deep over analysis.. n just watch.. than trouble ur minds.. due to non-familiar characters or circumstances shown...

We should thank the show for the fast pace and the character sketch.. and a bit of drama is there to sell their product in order to continue the show...(like someone mentioned)

- The show is not taking toll at all.. Its only in this forum, when i see.. some people mentality.. I go crazy.

you know sajini.. i am not saying sonakshi right in everything.. she flawed, she went overboard in impressing people. she kept her feeling herself. she put strong female face.. but inside she broke. I would have supported Dev whole heartedly, if had not said that 'get out' and all harsh words in the last day of break up. Now its like mistakes of sona: Dev is like 10:90. So I want Dev to realise, repent for his mistakes. He should learn to stand up for right things.

At the end i want devakshi together.. I am not saying sonakshi should never forgive.. but dev should realise his mistakes first.

Cheers!!

Edited by Pramila.harish - 8 years ago

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lalsunvid

@lalsunvid

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#96

Sona's love for Dev will be tested on different area and zone !!! At the end of separation he blurted out all the same words his family spoke about her and her family ... when they show Sona so successful and little arrogant too ... they have to show her hurt in a matured way !!!

What really Dev expects ?? That after telling so much cruel words (I know told in drunken ) state ... and all insults ... she needs to stay with him ... ?? Did anything more happen after that incident ?? if she had promised to live with him forever ... can anyone be like this always ???

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Pehchaan.Kaun

@Pehchaan.Kaun

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#97

I have a query - a question which me and Tia were discussing ..

1. A man locking up a woman in an empty office - Can someone please explain by writing what I can come across as 'positive' person ?

2. A man doing physical violence and breaking the nameplates etc inside an office - What should I write which will make me a positive person ?

Genuine query please! 😕

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aadk

@aadk

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#98

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun
I have a query - a question which me and Tia were discussing ..

1. A man locking up a woman in an empty office - Can someone please explain by writing what I can come across as 'positive' person ?

2. A man doing physical violence and breaking the nameplates etc inside an office - What should I write which will make me a positive person ?

Genuine query please! 😕

You should be writing that the man is so in love with the lady that she is instigating him to do so by not reciprocating his love. His actions spring from his hidden love and possessiveness for his lady. And at the face of such rude indifference by her, what else can be expected of him! All's fair in love and war after all! 😆

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Jyoti Thakur

@JyotiBThakur

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#99

Originally posted by: sia.krpkab
Dear Mayu, Jyoti, sappushivu and others.. as a fellow Forum member I would like to clarify that Mr. Das, Tia, Pehchaan.Kaun, gemini54, Doctor and myself and many other silent and non-silent members have been keen watchers of the show and are also analytical with free flow of emotions - positive, negative and neutral in varying degrees.

This is a medium of expression for everyone of us - and yes many of us are disappointed with the way the show has been dealt with. We can be termed negative too, its a free world and we are fine to be judged upon it. In fact sometimes we don't agree with each others' views as well.

In the end its each to his own. I loved Mr.Das's post and in case you didn't, can I suggest you to refrain from posting henceforth, because it causes more chaos and friction in this fiction.

From my side, I promise that I will not comment or spoil your post if I have clashing views. Everyone commands space in this Forum and lets honor it and leave it at that thought.

Dear Sia... First of all i have not even once termed anybody anything. And even i have always said as it is an open forum everybody are sharing their POVs. Even on my posts people disagree with my POVs. And it is good if we have healthy discussions on it... There's nothing wrong in disagreeing with one another. No 2 people think alike. We should just refrain from disrespecting others that's all i was saying. If you feel that my reply has spoiled the post than sorry for doing so. And if you feel that replying to the posts of people you have mentioned the names in your comment. With due respect I'll refrain from replying to any of their posts from here on. As you have mentioned my name in your comment, i am sharing my pov.

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Jyoti Thakur

@JyotiBThakur

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 8 years ago

#100

Originally posted by: pkbdas61

Jyothi. Appreciate your views and respect that. However if you think you can take one line of my post and blow it out of proportion, I leave it your judgement. Read my first reply to that vicious first comment. I was gracious to tell the commenter that my views do not matter. You cannot, I repeat cannot isolate, one line from the whole message. The deeply personal comments are made to examine my life. Now you chose which one is more offensive. The colour part, even if taken in isolation, or the examine your life, taken in isolation or whole.

Just as much a as you are shocked, I am even more. This is not a friendly world or forum anymore. That is why I have stopped commenting on most posts and do not even read many. It is the most sane thing to do.

I never get personal just as I have noticed that you do not. It is a great thing to draw lines.

Sir. I didn't think of the color part as an offence... But you have interpreted colored font in the reply and i didn't want my reply to be misinterpreted, that's the reason i have mentioned and didn't use the color.

What i felt bad about were the words used. But then i thought it's everyone's personal choice and may be i should not have mentioned my disappointment... And i too have mentioned personal comments should not be made. And we all should understand this. Discussing fiction can be done in a respectful manner but in doing that real people should not be disrespected.

Then my post has been misinterpreted too. And now I'll definitely try and refrain from replying from here on.