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Posted: 8 years ago
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Actually...bache se poochke duniya me laneka option nahin he😆. So...mother has full right to bring a child in this world if she can take care of child.
Dear if you could put question other way. .like sona had difficult time during early stage..what if sona could not provide basic necessities of child...would it be fair to bring child on the earth?? Then also debatable. ..no one knows what child brings fortune and what destiny has.

Look at golu. .He has parents who does not care about him. You can put your question to them. But not sona. Dear whether married or single parent and if they can provide all basic necessities including love and care...Every female has right to bring child.

It is only psychology, it is like feeling that others have father and I don't have. It's feeling of missing something but not everything. Soon child will be ok once it understand situation.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NBT-BV


You have raised a very interesting issue. If I add another dimension (no offence intended to mothers), Is it fair to bring in another life in this world??

I know every living being on this planet has been programmed to have the survival instinct and continuation of life by extending our life through the offspring.

Most of the mothers would say that a female can't feel complete without child(ren)- its very true and is genetic programming.

BUt the big question is - if we are suffering- don't we have the right to ask ourselves (not blaming parents) why were we brought in this world without our choice. If we question this - any time in our life (before getting a child for ourselves) then we have no right to bring a new life in this world.

If we are OK in this world - should we not think at least once - what right we have to bring someone without his permission in this world - just for our satisfaction and happiness and feeling complete.

IMO - adopt a child and reduce the burden on this planet😃



best reply i got so far...u just said my mind...but i wanna stop right here...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Fine. You want a writer's view. You will get one.
A father's love is a wonderful thing for any child. It envelops the child in a warmth of security. A father is a daughter's first love. A son's first hero. But he doesn't get those titles by default. He has to earn them. And before he is a father, he is his wife's / lover's partner.

"Husbands, love your wives well. Your children are noticing how you treat her. You are teaching your sons how they should treat women. You are teaching your daughters what they should expect from men." - Dave Wills.

If you are talking JUST about Sonakshi here, considering the way Dev had been seven years ago... I am borrowing a line from my own OS here. His attempt to be a good son came at the cost of being a bad brother and a bad husband. No saying what kind of father he would have been. (Purely my POV. No intention of hurting Dev fandom). If he doesn't change / introspect, I wouldn't WANT Suhana to have Dev in her life for the simple reason that he did not treat his wife well. Would Suhana miss out on having a father? Yes. So what? She has a strong mother, loving grandparents and hopefully a doting uncle. If the question of father arises in school or at some point in her life she needs a father's name, she already has one. She is not illegitimate. In India, illegitimacy is still frowned upon, I accept that. But single parents are fairly common.

If you are talking about children and single parents in general, I would say it is the woman's choice. She has the confidence to bring up her child alone, has the strength, who are we to question? I met a woman when I had been writing about my book - Everything I do. She has a ten year old daughter. Divorcee. She had applied for divorce when she had been pregnant with that child because her husband had been having an affair on the side. He thought what was the big deal, I am hardly abandoning you. Her reasoning was simple. I don't want my child to grow up seeing their mother accepting such a situation. If it's a boy he would think it is OK to be that way and if it's a girl she would think it's OK for men to be that way. I don't want that. Her parents help her out while she works and the kid is a sweet, confident one.

Again, I am not saying one does not need a father. Just that there are always situations where it is not possible to have one and it is absolutely fine. Kids are remarkably resilient. They will adapt. Adjust.


Edited by Suvika. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NBT-BV


You have raised a very interesting issue. If I add another dimension (no offence intended to mothers), Is it fair to bring in another life in this world?? "Yes it is fair to bring a new life to this world but one has to be truly ready for it"

I know every living being on this planet has been programmed to have the survival instinct and continuation of life by extending our life through the offspring.

Most of the mothers would say that a female can't feel complete without child(ren)- its very true and is genetic programming. "Not genetic programming but repetitive learning that gets handed over from generations to generation, society says so... Only if when I feel complete will I be able to bring up a complete confident human being"

BUt the big question is - if we are suffering- don't we have the right to ask ourselves (not blaming parents) why were we brought in this world without our choice. If we question this - any time in our life (before getting a child for ourselves) then we have no right to bring a new life in this world. " Correct, if you are not clear in your head about your existence then don't do it.."

If we are OK in this world - should we not think at least once - what right we have to bring someone without his permission in this world - just for our satisfaction and happiness and feeling complete. "woah ... I wish this was possible but it is not ... unfortunately, those who feel this way are misguided and mistreated (no in a bad sense) folks who can not handle generation gap and have no patience. I have issues with my parents.. I question their upbringing but they did the best they thought they could and that was possible for them but I thank them for bringing me to this earth and now it is my responsibility to find meaning for my existing which I am working on."

IMO - adopt a child and reduce the burden on this planet😃 "Very Well Said"


Do not take to your heart... this is just my opinion
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nehz


Do not take to your heart... this is just my opinion



No dear - I don't take anything in my heart and don't argue on the abstract terms. One can think in infinite ways and everything is right.

I just wanted to correct and put a fact

"Not genetic programming but repetitive learning that gets handed over from generations to generation, society says so."

No its not learning but hardwired in the genetics of all the living species - I can give the examples which you can observe

1. No body teaches cats dogs cows that they eat meat or vegetation.
2. No body teaches them how to differentiate between poisonous and good to eat food.
3. Cat remains with kittens for just 2-3 weeks - how the kittens learn hunting.
4 who teaches these animals to look for a safe place to deliver babies.
5. Who teaches animals to get scared when they are 1 -2 days old. human babies don't get scared - they just enjoy / laugh even with strangers.
6. Who teaches these animals the reproduction process. They go crazy during mating season.





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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suvika.


So?? I am not even able to follow your thinking.


hi, clarify 2 things here before you post. not having father's love as in the father does not love you or the mother is depriving you of it by keeping you away from him?

just because you separated from your spouse need not necessarily mean that you stop living your life. coming to your question on why soha needs to be deprived of fathers love, no reason that the father has to be dev only . dev can be a biological father, but if sona had remarried someone who would accept soha as his own kid, then she would have had the love of the father. there are ample cases around us where people with kids both male and female remarry and all three of them peacefully co-exist.

in short it was not a wrong decision to give birth to soha and i dont believe that raising a kid is proving a point to the world. if anyone is raising a kid only with an intention of proving something to somebody or even to prove ourselves about our own worth, i seriously feel they need medical help.

Edited by randomramblings - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Questions to TM, may be a little unrelated to your topic. But isn't continuing pregnancy equivalent to raising an already born child, at least in terms of responsibility and giving all the love and affection? Honestly, I am lost...
1. What do you have to say of those unfortunate girls who are victimized by their own fathers. In the current state of affairs in India, do you want me to explicitly state all those scenarios?
2. What about those kids who lose their mothers and the father marries another lady and does not care about his own kids born from his 1st wife. Where is the father's love? (or for that matter parent's love in such cases).
3. What do you say about thousands of such very unfortunate cases?


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4. Lastly, coming to the serial world - in case of KRPKAB itself, what gives you confidence that Dev would have been the best father for Suhana? A person who cannot stand up for the self respect of his wife (his own choice) would have stood up for the rights of his own daughter?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NBT-BV




No dear - I don't take anything in my heart and don't argue on the abstract terms. One can think in infinite ways and everything is right.

I just wanted to correct and put a fact

"Not genetic programming but repetitive learning that gets handed over from generations to generation, society says so."

No its not learning but hardwired in the genetics of all the living species - I can give the examples which you can observe

1. No body teaches cats dogs cows that they eat meat or vegetation.
2. No body teaches them how to differentiate between poisonous and good to eat food.
3. Cat remains with kittens for just 2-3 weeks - how the kittens learn hunting.
4 who teaches these animals to look for a safe place to deliver babies.
5. Who teaches animals to get scared when they are 1 -2 days old. human babies don't get scared - they just enjoy / laugh even with strangers.
6. Who teaches these animals the reproduction process. They go crazy during mating season.







I completely agree with yhe points you have made ... these are in the genes the behaviour learnt over years and passed on ... but I wont apply it to the feeling complete only when you are a mother ... thats a saying ... but ofcourse the feeling of giving birth to an offspring I am sure is out of this world and should be experienced if you are ready. But if someone chooses to not have kods doesn't meam she is incomplete.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Tia
Take for example, Mahabharata. Kunti and Madri got pregnant AFTER their husbands died using the chant. In Ramayana, Sita found out she was pregnant with Luv-Kush AFTER she went to jungle. Should they have been aborted in the womb?


Facts of MB and Ramayan

Kunti and Madri both were the wives of Maharaj Pandu. They got their five children not after his death.but while he was alive. With Pandu's permission Kunti got three and Madri got two sons. Pandu died when Arjun was four years old.

Sita was pregnant with Luv Kush while she was in Ayodhya only. Every one celebrated her pregnancy. But Ram sent her to forest much later on hearing the comments of a washer man. Seven months Pregnant Sita was left in the forest.
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