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Posted: 8 years ago
Is Dev creating an illusion positioning all the players in a pitting position recreating the past? Are they just pawns in his game? The barriers created will not be able to separate them anymore. Is he trying to remove the venom using the same snake who bit?
Will be back later after rewatching the episode. It confused the hell out of me. Have to watch from end of season 1
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Posted: 8 years ago
Geena, I am glad I have company in that school of thought. Looking forward to more thoughts
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Geena, I am glad I have company in that school of thought. Looking forward to more thoughts


Add me too DQ😆 Ye Dev tho sach me complicated nikla!! now Ishwari is looking very normal compared to him😆 Will pop in here for insights later
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Posted: 8 years ago

Re-posting what I wrote on @deepsel's thread.

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After a good episode on Wednesday, I was confused about the episodes that followed.

1) Sonakshi decides to take the office of Dev. Dev exposes Vicky in front of his family and then drools at Sonakshi the next day. 😕 I wanted him to throw out Vicky and eX-GKB. Instead he warned again. And then accepted Vicky's offer to play his game to throw Sonakshi out of the office. Why did I feel that Dev felt a little remorse with the FBs shown about his insult to Sonakshi about her business skills? He was not jealous, for sure. Was he upset with himself for the words spoken?? Did he purposefully entice Vicky so that he could find out what his bro had in mind? Dev knows that Vicky lied about the pre-nup, because as per his convo with Sonakshi, he was surprised that she had the papers with her!!!! He even told her that he had ordered Vicky to destroy it. As the pre-nup papers were the final straw and he lost his cool when Sonakshi signed it off. Dev knows for sure that Vicky is a crook and only knows how to swindle money. Is this his way of allowing Vicky to blunder again so he can finally throw him out? 😃 Is this revenge from Dev? Dev look at Ishwari said a thousand words - how she was always wrong and perhaps Sonakshi was right. The look was of dejection and accusation. 😃

Compared that with Ishwari's convo with ex-GKB and did I again get the feeling that Ishwari did this on purpose to know what ex-GKB would do to ensure that Sonakshi is never reconciled with Dev. Ishwari was always a smooth operator. She knows how to get her way with anyone- esp. Dev. With Dev proving that Vicky was swindling money again and sold his office w/out consulting him to Sonakshi, was this an eye-opener for Ishwari? Her convo with Dev was probably a last ditch attempt to break the ice. She realised that if Sonakshi -Dev meet everyday in the workplace, then a reconciliation is not far away and this time she would loose her son forever!!! Was this a ploy to oust ex-GKB and inform Dev that she is on his side. Else, why would Ishwari again want a Dev-Sonakshi separation? She has lost Dev after the separation and being the selfish, possessive mother, she wouldn't repeat the same mistake, would she? So, to conclude, are Dev and Ishwari fooling Vicky and ex-GKB to save the business? 😃

2) Dev does it again. Insults Sonakshi's start up. But why in front of his family? Why cant the Creatives show him reflecting these thoughts. At least his character would show some reform!! He is right that a start up has its own disadvantages. Besides, Sonakshi didn't even know the name of the seller till she was informed about it by the Agent. In real estate investment, its important to know the other party info, because agents can also fool you. What if the office space belonged to a criminal or devious person? The fact that Sonakshi is not hands on with this info is not a good sign of business acumen. Unlike Dev, who knew everything about the deal w/out even being a part of it, speaks volumes about his expertise and experience. But that cannot mean that Dev can take liberties speaking ill about Sonakshi. Respect your opponent. That's the rule of any game - if you want to win it. I didn't like this face of Dev. Or did he put on a faade again in front of his family to save Sonakshi, because he has always been proud of her achievements. He didn't want Vicky gunning for her and that's exactly what happened when Vicky came up with an offer to throw out Sonakshi? 😊

3) Dev was drooling on Sonakshi while she stood atop a table giving directions to her team. Dev looked so handsome with his torn jeans - Shaheer Sheikh, you are indeed blessed with great looks! So why was he staring like that? Was he feeling sad that he lost her? Was he looking at ways to woo her back? His flirting with Paro was definitely a step in that direction. He was craving for attention from Sonakshi. She didn't even flinch. But I would have liked it better if Sonakshi had walked away when Dev was flirting with Paro? Why did she stay? 😉😉

Now, about your title. The name and the outburst from Dev. He told Ishwari that the building was all about his hard work so he chooses to always keep it. Similar to Sonakshi buying the property that belonged to her parents as it was their labour and had priceless memories. Dev didn't want to share it. He always owned it. He wanted to continue the same so the glass breaking is a sign of his huge loss and how he is not willing to come to terms with it. Just like he is not willing to accept that Sonakshi has moved away from him. He still believes and behaves like he owns her. 😊He is shocked that his identity is stolen by someone else and Sonakshi has also given up the identity given to her by Dev. Is he losing everything?

And here comes the finale of Dev meeting Suhana - probably in school, w/out the knowledge of Suhana being his daughter. So would he fight for her to regain his identity? Creatives have really baffled me with these two episodes. Till Monday...

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-Rekha

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Posted: 8 years ago
I have taken a shapath after Friday's episode not to talk about Dev until we see more. I do have some theories but instead of breaking my head, I am going to wait for the CVs to clear my confusion. In the mean time, there is something else I really want to talk about from the episode, and that is the parallel of the two children relating the affairs of the day to their parents.

From an adult perspective, Soha seems like the ideal child. She fought her own battles without asking for her mother's help and made sure justice was served in the tiffin incident. She behaved in a strong and righteous manner. On the other hand, as soon as his prank was turned on him, Golu went running to his bigcha, asking to be protected from someone he had actually wronged. I can see how it looks on paper, but I want to add a different perspective from personal experience.

As a small child, I was very much like Soha. I was always a teacher's pet and got along with adults much better than people my own age. I didn't hesitate to tell the teacher when someone broke the rules and was more interested in impressing my teacher and other adults than I was my peers. As a result, I never had many friends and I was also my mom's poonch. 😆 This worked out fine until I reached my teens, but then it became really problematic. That is the age when you start to question your parents and emerge from their sheltered view of the world. It's not that I became less close to my parents, but I missed out on a lot because I wasn't able to relate to my peers, and wasn't included in a lot of these exploratory situations because my classmates were averse to my self-righteousness. In order to contend with the fact that I wasn't well-liked, I gave myself a big, fat superiority complex. Long story short, that all came crashing down when I went to boarding school, didn't have my mother to come home to every day, and was forced to learn how to be more open and with people and less uptight about rules and authority.

Honestly, that is why I related to Sona so much in the beginning. She too had that problem where she didn't let anyone in except her family, so she didn't really have friends. The only friendships she had were with Dada and Elena, and even then, they often had to pry information out of her. They did that because they knew and loved her, but friendship is more of a two-way street than family and you have to share as much of yourself as you get out of the other person, otherwise the friendship fizzles. The weird thing about it, at least what I have learned from my experiences, is that friendship is born out of shared vulnerability. Helping people is great and noble, but it creates an unequal relationship unless you ask for their help in return at some point. That is where I think Sona got tripped up in the Dixit house as well. She tried to build relationships exclusively by helping people while holding herself above their problems. This triggered very negative feelings in a house full of people with existing inferiority complexes. The only exception was when she asked Riya's help for the resort SR, and that had a totally different outcome.

Exposing your vulnerability to friends, having them tease you about it is what helps you see the humour in your own weaknesses, so you don't take them as seriously. That is how you become more confident in yourself, deep down... when you have people who know all your faults but love you anyway, people to whom you don't have to prove anything. Sona never had that and so she always tried very hard for superficial approval... the same kind of validation she got in academics, and I think that is what made rejection so devastating for her. "I don't like you" or "this is what you are doing wrong" automatically translated to, "you have failed." Sona is leading Soha down the same path she took, and even more intensely; Soha is an only child. This path of allying with adults instead of your peers might put you on the right side of the rules, but it can also make for a very lonely existence.

Dev, with Golu, is the other extreme. This is partly because he isn't responsible for Golu's primary care, but I am not ready to let him off the hook completely. It was wrong to tell him to skip his homework and play cricket, and yes, it is wrong to give him the idea that he isn't accountable for his mistakes because bigcha will fix them, but there is also something to be said for letting a kid be a kid, and letting him know that there is no shame in asking for help. At first, Dev encouraged Golu to deal with his "bully" on his own, but once Golu came to him to say the problem had accelerated, he was all ears and ready to come to his aid (to be fair, Dev has no idea that Golu stole and lied to the teacher about it). Point to be noted: Golu had the support of his friends in his "battle" against Soha, and when he faltered out of fear, they built him back up. They were no doubt doing something wrong, but that solidarity counts for something.

But there is also a certain street smarts about Golu when he manipulates his teacher with mention of his bigcha. In the end, Soha was able to find a higher authority and justice prevailed, but that is not always the case in the real world, and you have to be prepared for that outcome as well sometimes. Dev, having grown up in unjustly harsh conditions, knows this all too well. Just because his mother was righteous and noble, didn't make the men in the alley any less willing to pounce and take advantage of her, given the chance.

And it is at this juncture that I stand eagerly awaiting the Dev-Soha relationship. Sona has given Soha a strong sense of independence, but there is a point where her pride in Soha's independence may give Soha shame for being any less (Bijoy-Sona 2.0). This is where Dev can play such a valuable role, taking the shame away with the unconditional love he is capable of (as we saw with Ishwari and Sona), and Sona and Dev can make an amazing parenting team, balancing out each other's shortcomings. I am not sure if Golu will benefit more from Sona's interaction with Dev or her interaction with Elena, or both, but someone has to point out that he's well on his way to becoming another Vicky. I would love it if Dev stayed the cool uncle, but Elena really acted on that instinct she had a few episodes ago and invested in her son.
Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I have taken a shapath after Friday's episode not to talk about Dev until we see more. I do have some theories but instead of breaking my head, I am going to wait for the CVs to clear my confusion. In the mean time, there is something else I really want to talk about from the episode, and that is the parallel of the two children relating the affairs of the day to their parents.

From an adult perspective, Soha seems like the ideal child. She fought her own battles without asking for her mother's help and made sure justice was served in the tiffin incident. She behaved in a strong and righteous manner. On the other hand, as soon as his prank was turned on him, Golu went running to his bigcha, asking to be protected from someone he had actually wronged. I can see how it looks on paper, but I want to add a different perspective from personal experience.

As a small child, I was very much like Soha. I was always a teacher's pet and got along with adults much better than people my own age. I didn't hesitate to tell the teacher when someone broke the rules and was more interested in impressing my teacher and other adults than I was my peers. As a result, I never had many friends and I was also my mom's poonch.😆This worked out fine until I reached my teens, but then it became really problematic. That is the age when you start to question your parents and emerge from their sheltered view of the world. It's not that I became less close to my parents, but I missed out on a lot because I wasn't able to relate to my peers, and wasn't included in a lot of these exploratory situations because my classmates were averse to my self-righteousness. In order to contend with the fact that I wasn't well-liked, I gave myself a big, fat superiority complex. Long story short, that all came crashing down when I went to boarding school, didn't have my mother to come home to every day, and was forced to learn how to be more open and with people and less uptight about rules and authority.

Honestly, that is why I related to Sona so much in the beginning. She too had that problem where she didn't let anyone in except her family, so she didn't really have friends. The only friendships she had were with Dada and Elena, and even then, they often had to pry information out of her. They did that because they knew and loved her, but friendship is more of a two-way street than family and you have to share as much of yourself as you get out of the other person, otherwise the friendship fizzles. The weird thing about it, at least what I have learned from my experiences, is that friendship is born out of shared vulnerability. Helping people is great and noble, but it creates an unequal relationship unless you ask for their help in return at some point. That is where I think Sona got tripped up in the Dixit house as well. She tried to build relationships exclusively by helping people while holding herself above their problems. This triggered very negative feelings in a house full of people with existing inferiority complexes. The only exception was when she asked Riya's help for the resort SR, and that had a totally different outcome.

Exposing your vulnerability to friends, having them tease you about it is what helps you see the humour in your own weaknesses, so you don't take them as seriously. That is how you become more confident in yourself, deep down... when you have people who know all your faults but love you anyway, people to whom you don't have to prove anything. Sona never had that and so she always tried very hard for superficial approval... the same kind of validation she got in academics, and I think that is what made rejection so devastating for her. "I don't like you" or "this is what you are doing wrong" automatically translated to, "you have failed." Sona is leading Soha down the same path she took, and even more intensely; Soha is an only child. This path of allying with adults instead of your peers might put you on the right side of the rules, but it can also make for a very lonely existence.

Dev, with Golu, is the other extreme. This is partly because he isn't responsible for Golu's primary care, but I am not ready to let him off the hook completely. It was wrong to tell him to skip his homework and play cricket, and yes, it is wrong to give him the idea that he isn't accountable for his mistakes because bigcha will fix them, but there is also something to be said for letting a kid be a kid, and letting him know that there is no shame in asking for help. At first, Dev encouraged Golu to deal with his "bully" on his own, but once Golu came to him to say the problem had accelerated, he was all ears and ready to come to his aid (to be fair, Dev has no idea that Golu stole and lied to the teacher about it). Point to be noted: Golu had the support of his friends in his "battle" against Soha, and when he faltered out of fear, they built him back up. They were no doubt doing something wrong, but that solidarity counts for something.

But there is also a certain street smarts about Golu when he manipulates his teacher with mention of his bigcha. In the end, Soha was able to find a higher authority and justice prevailed, but that is not always the case in the real world, and you have to be prepared for that outcome as well sometimes. Dev, having grown up in unjustly harsh conditions, knows this all too well. Just because his mother was righteous and noble, didn't make the men in the alley any less willing to pounce and take advantage of her, given the chance.

And it is at this juncture that I stand eagerly awaiting the Dev-Soha relationship. Sona has given Soha a strong sense of independence, but there is a point where her pride in Soha's independence may give Soha shame for being any less (Bijoy-Sona 2.0). This is where Dev can play such a valuable role, taking the shame away with the unconditional love he is capable of (as we saw with Ishwari and Sona), and Sona and Dev can make an amazing parenting team, balancing out each other's shortcomings. I am not sure if Golu will benefit more from Sona's interaction with Dev or her interaction with Elena, or both, but someone has to point out that he's well on his way to becoming another Vicky. I would love it if Dev stayed the cool uncle, but Elena really acted on that instinct she had a few episodes ago and invested in her son.



Very nice post. I liked the perspective for Golu and Soha parenting. A thought which crossed my mind is regarding the fact that if Golu is street smart like his bigcha and Vicky (when he tried to woo Elena), did he understand anything from the convo that he overheard between Ishwari & ex-GKB? If he walks in to meet bigcha at work and bumps into Sonakshi, would he able to relate the conversation here? What if the two kids become friends and meet at the workplace when they are visiting?

Lending a helping hand to Golu is not depriving him of handling situations himself. Even I look at this differently. At 6 years, you like to know that someone is there to listen to you and help sort out your problems. 😃 esp. When no one in the family has the inclination to spare some time with you. For Golu, he absorbs every word what bigcha tells him, just like Soha who believes and trusts that only Sonakshi is right. Very typical of the age. It's so touching. When Soha has a problem making friends or her peers get scared of her, as she is capable of going straight to the Princi's office, Golu might step in to fill the void. Possible. They have to become friends, else how would the story move forward! 😃

I have started watching Peshwa Bajirao telecast just after KRPKAB and the kids are a delight to watch. I hope the Creatives in KRPKAB are able to capitalise on their innocence to help the leads find their true calling. I also hope that they bring back Saurabh.


-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
Lovely post Sam and Rekha ! Something popped up after reading your posts and wanted to share here.

I am of course proud of Suha for her maturity and her self-righteous quality but is she not loosing her childish innocence faster? I mean she is just 6, every kid is allowed to have their fair share of mistakes and learning experiences from them . Why do I see a Dev in making? I mean Dev lost his innocence for responsibility and here Suha loosing it in the name of maturity. Is Sona expecting unknowingly too much from that tender shoulders?

Suha who wanted to stay with his father, immediately brushed it as joke after Bijoy's unexpected scream. Her wish to have a pic along with her momma's trophy is also compromised after her mom's explanation. Why that little child have to be so understanding all the time? I know Sona leaves the choices to Suha but is it not too early for that tiny heart to take mature decisions suppressing her desires? Has Suha started living a life to keep her Mom and Dida and Daadu happy no matter what? isn't this a life Dev lived throughout season 1 and lost everything in the end?

Dev had to go through this because of fate taking away his father but why Suha? I know am thinking beyond rational but Suha's speech on friday's episode is not of a 6 yr old. I have a 7 yr old myself and my eyes teared seeing Suha who is definitely missing of piece of her happiness in Dev which Golu is enjoying !

Being right all the time is not an achievement, correcting your wrongs and soaring even higher is !!



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Posted: 8 years ago
I agree with deepsel here. A child not wanting to meet her father is not normal. She should have had some inquisitiveness, at least asked for a photo or one visit.
Sonakshi needs to introspect and find out the reason but I guess she was too relieved to do it. More than anything Sona should realise the impact of bijoys loose tongue and lack of discretion on the child. This problem will worsen with Dev finding out about Soha.

Why do I have the feeling that bijoy will simply worsen the already complicated situation and aggravate Dev further leading to an ugly court case?
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_

This problem will worsen with Dev finding out about Soha.[/DIV]

Why do I have the feeling that bijoy will simply worsen the already complicated situation and aggravate Dev further leading to an ugly court case?



My views exactly. Bijoy coming to Delhi at this stage looks like an extended stay and lots of interference. With Dev looking broody and lusty and even shamelessly ogling at his gorgeous ex-wife, is going to create mind boggling reactions in the mind of over-protective Bijoy. There could be ugly snipes, sarcasms and ego clashes. 😆 So, an over-protective father, an ex-husband with heart only for one woman, a woman out to prove herself right, a independent thinking Soha, a naughty street smart Golu. I am sure the brilliant actors here will wear these caps very well indeed.



-Rekha

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@Rekha: Interesting point about Golu overhearing that conversation. I kind of figured he would ask Dev about it in his innocent way. Dev obviously shuts Ishwari out when she asks about this, but we might get a more honest assessment if his "favourite" is the one doing the asking. One spoiler I am hoping is true is the one about Dev intervening between Soha and Golu. I really want to see a scene like the one in K3G when Rahul makes Rohan apologise to Pooja, where he helps Soha and Golu see eye to eye and become friends. Obviously as long as Soha follows her current path, she will only antagonise Golu further and vice versa, and Dev's intervention could be crucial in changing the course of their relationship... which would be a very beautiful start for Soha's relationship with her dad. He appreciates her excellent qualities of independence and righteousness, but perhaps shows her another way to navigate relationships with her peers without going straight to authority figures.

@Deepa: I completely agree. I do see a Dev in the making in Soha and that way, the echoes of the story are really beautiful. Your question, "why does the little child have to be understanding all the time?" is such a good observation of Soha's recurring behaviour, adjusting her actions to keep peace among her loved ones. She has also, much like Dev, assumed the role of a proxy parent for her mother... when she said she would never leave her because nobody would be there to love Sona as much, when she cheered Sona up about the trophy incident with her "punishment" of taking a selfie, and when she told Sona to come sleep next to her because Sona was scared of sleeping alone in new places. It was ironic that Sona joked about having to parent her parents in the last episode, because she is in fact the only one who has not had that problem. Bijoy and Asha have never been totally dependent on her emotionally, and she has always had their support to fall back on (especially Asha), the kind of support Dev is now giving Golu. That that support is going a bit overboard without the right dose of structure and discipline, but I guess the struggle for that balance on both sides is where the story is headed.

@Payal: You are probably right. Bijoy has a history of exacerbating already sensitive situations, and it's very much possible that he will be the one to take this issue beyond Sona and Dev and into the Dixit household at large. Sona has learnt to quietly subvert his interference, like when she kept sending Gunni out of the room, but she has not stood up to it yet. Soha is mirroring this behaviour. With kids, you can't get away with saying, "do as I say, not as I do." Sona may have given her the choice in name, but her actions and Bijoy's outburst made it very clear to Soha that wanting to meet her father was a very stupid, selfish thing to do if it would hurt her mother and dadu so much.

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