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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: tia.o

@BOLD, that's exactly what worries me. India is trying to become a global superpower yet the mentality and attitude towards women seems to be moving backwards. I have a school friend who had her daughter when her husband was doing a project in USA. When the project ended, she had to move back to India. But she is desperate to move out of India and to Canada because she has a daughter. This is what she wrote to me in a FB message,

"Tia, I won't care where I live if I had a son. But I have a daughter. India is prosperous these days. Specially for upper middle class people like us have no shortage of opportunities. May be more than we'd have in North America.

But, these days newspaper scares me. Even opening Facebook news, fake or otherwise, scares me. When I hear our so-called leaders in position of power justify and defend rapists scares me. I am ashamed to say that when I see men on the street, I judge them without knowing them due to the ugly news and statistics. They might be ordinary people. But I have a daughter, so I am paranoid. I have a daughter, so I don't want to live in India."

Such a heartbreaking thing to hear. This is the difference made by regressive mentality. When those mentality raises children, that's creating another generation of patriarchy. When they are in a position of power, they influence the young, already troubled mind of the youth. When they infuse that thinking on their daughters, they channel the thoughts to other women creating a cycle of thinking and lack of self-worth to generations.

But there is a ray of hope because there are also men like you who are fighting for equality for women. It will be easier for you to not push for equality as you will get the advantage. Yet you are pushing for equality because that's the right thing to do.

For me, men like Dev are not heroes. They are cowards. Men like you who everyday make a difference by treating women with respect, fighting for equality, standing up for the right thing regardless of personal cost are the true heroes. Kudos.



Thanks for ur wonderful words.

Even my sis is planning to get project in abroad.My BIL also doing the same.They want to settle in abroad.Even my brother is settled in abroad.When I joined this NGO only.I decided.I will stay in India.I will contribute to the change.How much ever I can do.

I still can't forget the comment of a Neta.Who blamed the girls in Banglore Mass Molestation.Saying Women's R Like Sugar Men R Like Ants Who Will Follow Them.Blame girls for their dressing.Saying because of their dress they get raped of molested.It's not about dressing it is Pevert mindset of some men.Some rape 3 year old n 80 year old also.Women safety has become big question in India.I hope n pray.Situation changes for better.If not.Then many can move to abroad.Were they feel safe.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Tia - I know such case.Were Wife was blamed for Husband cheating with another Women.Her family said.There must be some minus in you only.U should have worked on keeping ur husband happy.Then he would not have went to another women.Men cheat.In turn Women gets blamed for it.Men get free pass.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: tia.o

@BOLD, that's exactly what worries me. India is trying to become a global superpower yet the mentality and attitude towards women seems to be moving backwards. I have a school friend who had her daughter when her husband was doing a project in USA. When the project ended, she had to move back to India. But she is desperate to move out of India and to Canada because she has a daughter. This is what she wrote to me in a FB message,

"Tia, I won't care where I live if I had a son. But I have a daughter. India is prosperous these days. Specially for upper middle class people like us have no shortage of opportunities. May be more than we'd have in North America.

But, these days newspaper scares me. Even opening Facebook news, fake or otherwise, scares me. When I hear our so-called leaders in position of power justify and defend rapists scares me. I am ashamed to say that when I see men on the street, I judge them without knowing them due to the ugly news and statistics. They might be ordinary people. But I have a daughter, so I am paranoid. I have a daughter, so I don't want to live in India."

Such a heartbreaking thing to hear. This is the difference made by regressive mentality. When those mentality raises children, that's creating another generation of patriarchy. When they are in a position of power, they influence the young, already troubled mind of the youth. When they infuse that thinking on their daughters, they channel the thoughts to other women creating a cycle of thinking and lack of self-worth to generations.

But there is a ray of hope because there are also men like you who are fighting for equality for women. It will be easier for you to not push for equality as you will get the advantage. Yet you are pushing for equality because that's the right thing to do.

For me, men like Dev are not heroes. They are cowards. Men like you who everyday make a difference by treating women with respect, fighting for equality, standing up for the right thing regardless of personal cost are the true heroes. Kudos.


Tia this is very very wrong to say about your own country.. A few incidents don't define a country. And wanting to run from your country basis a few newspaper reports (your friend) is despicable in my opinion.

It is not as if there is no crime in USA or Canada. Its just that in this countries a rape is not a big deal even for the victim and here the media people try to encash it.

India is one of the safest countries in the world. I have lived my entire life here and never had cause to be scared nor was ever differentiated in my office on the basis of gender. At times hav even l come back from office very very late also. There is always police protection in the trains and people are always ready to help you.

This is the only country where you can go to the market and stay assured that your neighbours will take care of your children and if someone hurts you on the road people will come to help you.

Yes there are a few stray incidents happening with women but there too many of them later turn out to be hoax or blackmailing attempts.

Also there is nothing wrong about being a bit careful taking into consideration the environment of the place one is living in. I do what I want to in the name of feminism, it's governments responsibility to protect me is a very stupid theory in my opinion.

Regarding India forums also, idiocy doesn't depend on the country. It depends on individual common sense. Majority of people who go ga ga over hot bodies are from outside India.

And regarding always expecting the woman to adjust- if people in India do tell the daughters to be a bit adjusting, there is nothing wrong or derogatory about it. Even sons of decent families are told the same thing. It's much better to forego a bit of ego and adjust than go through four divorces and five marriages in one life time. The person doing it might enjoy it in the name of women rights, but the casualty are the children.

Regarding TV shows most of them exaggerate for drama and we know it. But calling the entire country regressive is just not done and is unacceptable. Does it also mean that the entire US or uk is playing musical beds and in almost every house same woman is producing children with both the father and the son, as this is what their shows are showing?
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Posted: 8 years ago
My two cents on the current discussion

People are People whether they are white,black, green ,yellow or anything in between. They have to take individual responsibilities for their action. These responsibilities are taught to them by another set of people again their parents, teachers etc and the cycle goes on. I don't believe that a country itself can be termed regressive or progressive based on incidents..living in the US I have heard my share of horror stories too.

So bottom line good values and social responsibility needs to be imparted and strong punishment needs to be meted out for people who commit these horrendous crimes and that is where some countries may differ and this may cause the person committing the crime to think they can get away.

Happy Sunday..great discussions
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Tia this is very very wrong to say about your own country.. A few incidents don't define a country. And wanting to run from your country basis a few newspaper reports (your friend) is despicable in my opinion.

It is not as if there is no crime in USA or Canada. Its just that in this countries a rape is not a big deal even for the victim and here the media people try to encash it.

India is one of the safest countries in the world. I have lived my entire life here and never had cause to be scared nor was ever differentiated in my office on the basis of gender. At times hav even l come back from office very very late also. There is always police protection in the trains and people are always ready to help you.

This is the only country where you can go to the market and stay assured that your neighbours will take care of your children and if someone hurts you on the road people will come to help you.

Yes there are a few stray incidents happening with women but there too many of them later turn out to be hoax or blackmailing attempts.

Also there is nothing wrong about being a bit careful taking into consideration the environment of the place one is living in. I do what I want to in the name of feminism, it's governments responsibility to protect me is a very stupid theory in my opinion.

Regarding India forums also, idiocy doesn't depend on the country. It depends on individual common sense. Majority of people who go ga ga over hot bodies are from outside India.

And regarding always expecting the woman to adjust- if people in India do tell the daughters to be a bit adjusting, there is nothing wrong or derogatory about it. Even sons of decent families are told the same thing. It's much better to forego a bit of ego and adjust than go through four divorces and five marriages in one life time. The person doing it might enjoy it in the name of women rights, but the casualty are the children.

Regarding TV shows most of them exaggerate for drama and we know it. But calling the entire country regressive is just not done and is unacceptable. Does it also mean that the entire US or uk is playing musical beds and in almost every house same woman is producing children with both the father and the son, as this is what their shows are showing?



Yes Parents advice both the genders to be adjusting in Married life.But it is always expected wife should be more adjusting.It should be equal.We can adjust to small things.Not to Domestic Violence N Cheating.Husband will keep beating Wife ,in laws will torture for dowry.Wife should be adjusting.I ask why should they should adjust to these things.It's better to get out of this kind of marriage.

Every country as good n bad people.Not denying that.But the crime against Women's have been increased so much against Women.We can't deny it.In 2016.In Tamil Nadu.One Side love murder rate was increased so much.Guys could not take a simple No from a girl.Male ego got hurt n the girls were brutally murdered.This reflects the mindset of the society.I have seen in many family.How Male child is pampered so much.His demands r fulfilled at any cost.Men who grow in these kind of atmosphere.They can't take a No from girl n move on in life.They instead throw acid on the face of the Girl or murder them.In Bangalore during New's Year eve.Girls were gang molested.Did U see that video.Police were.Yet they could not stop.When Media raised this issue only.After 4 days of the incident complaint was filed.There were some Neta's who were blaming Women.In India Judiciary system take so time to give judgement reg rape.A person who can rape cannot be called as Juvenile.But in India Juvenile who rape.Use this law n escape from strong punishment's.Actress Trisha is a member in PETA.She never spoke against Jailikattu[Embracing The Bull]. She was threatened by group of men's who came to her shooting spot.Many harassed her in Twitter.Made a Condolence Meme for her.When Diya Mirza tweeted during Holi N Ganpathi to save water.She was bashed so badly.These kind of incident only made not only me.Others also feel.Women safety is at risk in India.

There r people in India who have progressive thinking.Not denying this fact.

@Bold - I am honestly shocked to read it.Rape is not a big deal seriously.I don't know what to say.In Other countries Rape law r very strict.In India we still debating on Martial Rape law.There can be Martial Rape.Which has not come out yet.It can be due to various reason.What will Media get encashing a Rape.If they get ratings also.It has done some good things also.Were many have come in suppourt of the victim.Nirbhaya was brutally raped.A rod was inserted in her private part.How painful for her it must be n also her parents.You r saying Rape is not big deal for the Victim.Due watch Satyamave Jayte.Were the Park Gate Rape Victim shared her story.People found fault in her.She wanted to erase the bad memory n wanted to start a fresh life.But people found that also wrong.Honestly I did not expect.Do defend India.U will say Rape is not a big deal for the Victim.Have U met any rape Victim.That U came to this conclusion.That in abroad Rape is not a big deal for Victim.

Loving Country is fine.But we should not love our Country Blindly.I live in India.I love India .But will not blindly to ignore the wrong things happening in India.If we don't raise voice against wrong.Our country will not Progress in good way.It's every citizens duty to express what's going wrong in the country.Try to bring a change in India n create a better India for upcoming generation.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: gemini54

My two cents on the current discussion


People are People whether they are white,black, green ,yellow or anything in between. They have to take individual responsibilities for their action. These responsibilities are taught to them by another set of people again their parents, teachers etc and the cycle goes on. I don't believe that a country itself can be termed regressive or progressive based on incidents..living in the US I have heard my share of horror stories too.

So bottom line good values and social responsibility needs to be imparted and strong punishment needs to be meted out for people who commit these horrendous crimes and that is where some countries may differ and this may cause the person committing the crime to think they can get away.

Happy Sunday..great discussions



@Bold - This is big problem in India.Strong laws r needed.Then only crime against women's will be reduced.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ vimal. I didn't say that rape is not a big deal. What I said was that in united States, Canada etc also these crimes take place. And as much as in India.
But in those countries for the women of those countries it is not considered that big a deal as it is in India courtesy the cultural differences. Here the media sensationalises the news as much as it can to milk it. It doesn't make such horrendous acts right but it doesn't mean that India is the most unsafe country in the world.

Whatever incidents you have quoted happen in every country of the world and by that I mean every. No one says they are right or people doing them are correct. But such anti social elements exist everywhere. It is not a India thing it is a human species thing.
And only we Indians have the distinction of constantly clamouring to settle in the western countries as our country is unfit in our own eyes. Instead of doing something for our country we want to label it garbage and run from here. Seems like a hangover from the colonial era.

Also I have nothing against both spouses adjusting. You have read my previous posts on this.

But abusing India, calling it a place unfit to live is neither done nor condonable. I as a self respecting Indian can't condone the demeaning of my country being done.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

@ vimal. I didn't say that rape is not a big deal. What I said was that in united States, Canada etc also these crimes take place. And as much as in India.

But in those countries for the women of those countries it is not considered that big a deal as it is in India courtesy the cultural differences. Here the media sensationalises the news as much as it can to milk it. It doesn't make such horrendous acts right but it doesn't mean that India is the most unsafe country in the world.

Also I have nothing against both spouses adjusting. You have read my previous posts on this.

But abusing India, calling it a place unfit to live is neither done nor condonable. I as a self respecting Indian can't condone the demeaning of my country being done.



@Bold - Still fail to understand this point.How r u sure.In those country Rape is not big deal for Women.Some one having forceful sex.Against their wish.How it is not big deal for them.

Agree Indian media Sensationalizes any news.The things happening in India.Slowly making many feel that India is not safe for Women.When they see certain things .We can't blame them.What we as Indian can do is try to make the view change by raising our voice against the wrong things happening in India.When things changes.Peoples perspective will also change towards India.

I am born n brought up in India.Living in India for past 27 years.Till my death.I want to live India.All I want is to India to progress in a good a way.Crime against Women should be reduced.We need strong laws on Rape .Need law on Martial Rape.Pointing out the wrongs happening India.Some having fear of living India.It does not mean they r demeaning in India.We has Indian.Need to work together.To make people to believe India is the safest country.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: VIMAL.M



@Bold - Still fail to understand this point.How r u sure.In those country Rape is not big deal for Women.Some one having forceful sex.Against their wish.How it is not big deal for them.

Agree Indian media Sensationalizes any news.The things happening in India.Slowly making many feel that India is not safe for Women.When they see certain things .We can't blame them.What we as Indian can do is try to make the view change by raising our voice against the wrong things happening in India.When things changes.Peoples perspective will also change towards India.

I am born n brought up in India.Living in India for past 27 years.Till my death.I want to live India.All I want is to India to progress in a good a way.Crime against Women should be reduced.We need strong laws on Rape .Need law on Martial Rape.Pointing out the wrongs happening India.Some having fear of living India.It does not mean they r demeaning in India.We has Indian.Need to work together.To make people to believe India is the safest country.


In a western country when a woman is raped she will never equate it with shame. It is violence as it should be. But in Indian culture it will be connected with her honour. Very very wrong I know and agree but this is the way it is. Slowly this culture is changing and hopefully within the next 10 years it will disappear completely
But currently it affects the woman very badly in India as it is connected with chastity especially in the smaller towns.

. Hence the public outrage and the media hyenas having a field day. This chastity problem doesn't happen in West hence the media there will get nothing out of sensationalising it.

Further pointing wrongs in a country is not wrong. Every country has them and has to overcome them to grow. But calling India unfit for living and saying that it is better to stay abroad is just not done. For me India will and shall always remain the best country in the world - as it is my motherland.

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Payal, I am glad that you feel safe in India. Every woman should feel safe in their own country.

But if someone is feeling unsafe because of the daily newspaper articles and leaders of the country defending animals like rapists, then you can't judge them for it.

I was in Delhi with my husband. The way some men were staring at me in broad daylight made my husband uncomfortable and I was wearing a Kurti and a jeans. What other precautions I could have taken so I don't get those "X-Ray" looks?

When my mother tells me to not stay out longer than 8 p.m., I felt unsafe. As a younger girl growing up in India, I used to go out with my friends to parties. Never was I worried nor my mother told me to come home early. But when my mother told me to come home by 8 p.m. yet my friend who was a guy was only told to have a good time with your friends, I felt unsafe.

There are rapes in US and Canada. But the consequences are severe. The moment the victim registers a complaint in police station, instead of asking what they were wearing, they are immediately taken to hospital and DNA samples are collected, the responsible guy is arrested, DNA compared and if it's a match then the guy is punished.

The society rallies behind the victim, no one questions the victims character even if she had multiple boyfriends before. Because consent is a must and is protected by law.

Secondly, marital rape is still not a law in India. Fortunately, my friend or I don't have to worry about that. But if a woman is scared of being raped by the man who should have protected her and of the law which will tell her that if the rape is done by husband it's no big deal whether she agrees or not, you bet I will blame the law of the country.

When tourists complaint of harassment by locals and other countries' website put a caution for women from backpacking in India alone but not for men, you bet I am and my friend are scared.

The locality I grew up in is also one of the safest place. Because I know the people and they know me and my family. But ask me to go to a strange, unknown locality at night, would I still feel as safe? No. Would you feel safe in an unknown, strange locality of your own country?

And when you say most of rape statistics are hoax or blackmailing attempts by women, did you count the numerous rapes that were authentic but never reported because of fear of police, fear of law, fear of shame and fear of victim blaming?

Precautions should be taken based on the place of residence. But if in India, a woman is taking more precautions than men and regardless what she does, she needs to have a male escort to take her home or has to leave early, but even then she might be in danger, it can no longer be called a safe place to live in.

There is nothing wrong asking women or men to adjust, provided adjustment happens from both sides. But the fact is if a woman has to move with a man's family after marriage, she will have to adjust more. There's no denying that. So to make everything equal, a woman should have a choice to move into a man's home or live separately. But didn't I hear about a law that Supreme Court of India passed that if a woman refuses to live with her in-laws her husband can divorce her because she is trying to separate a man from his family which is against Indian culture? Never mind the fact that the man separates the woman from her family, the day she gets married to him. Correct me if the news is wrong. In a country where man and woman having equal rights to everything including education, property etc is enshrined in Constitution, if this law has indeed passed by Supreme Court which openly discriminates against women, should be a fake news. So is it?

Thinking about the children and adjusting is not only the mother's responsibility, it is also the father's responsibility to think about his children and make an example by making their mother happy. If a father do his part and the mother hers, the children will never become a casualty.

I love India and I love the people, the food, the colours, the diversity. It is my country and I miss it. But I am not blind. I also see the inequality, the misery, the underbelly of the country. I love India anyway. But I can't blame a mother of a daughter for wanting to go where she feels safe. I can't judge a person nor tell them how to feel unless I am personally willing to guarantee her safety on behalf of my government, the police and the judiciary system.

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Tia this is very very wrong to say about your own country.. A few incidents don't define a country. And wanting to run from your country basis a few newspaper reports (your friend) is despicable in my opinion.

It is not as if there is no crime in USA or Canada. Its just that in this countries a rape is not a big deal even for the victim and here the media people try to encash it.

India is one of the safest countries in the world. I have lived my entire life here and never had cause to be scared nor was ever differentiated in my office on the basis of gender. At times hav even l come back from office very very late also. There is always police protection in the trains and people are always ready to help you.

This is the only country where you can go to the market and stay assured that your neighbours will take care of your children and if someone hurts you on the road people will come to help you.

Yes there are a few stray incidents happening with women but there too many of them later turn out to be hoax or blackmailing attempts.

Also there is nothing wrong about being a bit careful taking into consideration the environment of the place one is living in. I do what I want to in the name of feminism, it's governments responsibility to protect me is a very stupid theory in my opinion.

Regarding India forums also, idiocy doesn't depend on the country. It depends on individual common sense. Majority of people who go ga ga over hot bodies are from outside India.

And regarding always expecting the woman to adjust- if people in India do tell the daughters to be a bit adjusting, there is nothing wrong or derogatory about it. Even sons of decent families are told the same thing. It's much better to forego a bit of ego and adjust than go through four divorces and five marriages in one life time. The person doing it might enjoy it in the name of women rights, but the casualty are the children.

Regarding TV shows most of them exaggerate for drama and we know it. But calling the entire country regressive is just not done and is unacceptable. Does it also mean that the entire US or uk is playing musical beds and in almost every house same woman is producing children with both the father and the son, as this is what their shows are showing?

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