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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun




First of all, I am no biased towards feminism etc. So let me clarify, I am seeing this from a neutral POV, and if I feel for such big blatant life-shattering lie, if Dev deserves to be called names and deserves to be beaten, so does Sona.


But here practically thinking, there is one more angle. It's Sona whose father did 'Kanyaadaan' and it's Sona whose mother has to teach her that after marriage, she should be thinking of Dev's family as her first home. Despite big drama happened over the kanyadaan in the marriage episode, this is the bitter truth of our society that the GIRL leaves the house and accepts the groom's family as hers, not the vice versa. If you really think, Bijoy has given his pride/his hope and his PRINCESS to Dev and Dixit household. Did he get Dev in return ? Does Dev consider Bose family as his AT ALL ? I hope you wont say 'Yes' even after the 'Aunty' drama where it didn't take even a second for Dev to call Asha as Aunty from Maa. Anyways so where was I ? Yeah about Bijoy giving his daughter to Dev. Now it's Dev's responsibility to take care of Sonakshi. On the other hand, Ishwari still has Dev dancing on his tunes, he didn't move even 1% from his comfortable position in his life. Ishwari didn't give Dev to Sonakshi asking her to take care of Dev, leaving all attachments behind. Ishwari still makes sure she HERSELF takes care of Dev's happiness (by doing chores, by removing swing, by preparing halwa, by long speech and countless). Ishwari has refused to give that responsibility to Sonakshi to make Dev happy. So if Sona lies today and hurts Dev, Ishwari would have a point to become MAD at Sona, but not to the extreme of beating her.


The only acceptable scenario where Sona would be slapped by Ishwari for the same lie would be if Dev leaves his household and is living with the Boses and Sonakshi has got the sole responsibility of taking care of Dev, still she lies to him, hides facts from him to give him false hopes and then shatters his dreams like this.



Am I reading it right or did I misunderstand your post ?

Are you saying since Sona left her home ,her family members have the right to physically abuse their SIL when they feel he is hurting their daughter?Since Ish stays with them so he can only question Sona if she committed a mistake but cannot do beyond that because she gets to stay with her son ? Are We promoting domestic abuse on men here ?This reminds of a discussion in a relationship forum where a certain people were justifying domestic violence on women saying they were teaching her a lesson for disrespecting elders or people who justify honour killing because they crossed their limits

Has Sona severed ties with her family after marriage or is she restricted from meeting them or taking care of needs ?

I am sorry if I misunderstood but if I understood right then I am extremely shocked to see someone promoting domestic violence and justifying saying being a girls father he has every right to hit another adult ..how is this thinking different from our conservative society which feels a women needs to controlled by men ?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy



Am I reading it right or did I misunderstand your post ?

Are you saying since Sona left her home ,her family members have the right to physically abuse their SIL when they feel he is hurting their daughter?Since Ish stays with them so he can only question Sona if she committed a mistake but cannot do beyond that because she gets to stay with her son ? Are We promoting domestic abuse on men here ?This reminds of a discussion in a relationship forum where a certain people were justifying domestic violence on women saying they were teaching her a lesson for disrespecting elders or people who justify honour killing because they crossed their limits

Has Sona severed ties with her family after marriage or is she restricted from meeting them or taking care of needs ?

I am sorry if I misunderstood but if I understood right then I am extremely shocked to see someone promoting domestic violence and justifying saying being a girls father he has every right to hit another adult ..how is this thinking different from our conservative society which feels a women needs to controlled by men ?


I am not promoting violence on any particular sex. But the circumstances and situations define the severity of a crime. For a killing someone, you might get lifetime imprisonment, but when done in self-defense, the punishment is lowered. And as I said, please don't confuse it with sex, it's about the situation. Let me try to explain one more time.


Dev has been given the responsibility to take care of Sona. He failed BIG BIG time. Is Sona happy after knowing the truth ? Or we were expecting she would NEVER come to know the truth or something like that ? Being hit by life is one thing which is infertility, one cannot do much in it. But being hit by your own spouse who is lawfully given the responsibility of your well-being - is another extreme, whether you can see it or not. If not shout and hold collar or slap, Bijoy can put Dev into jail for his earlier stalking crimes and for invading privacy on medical reports.


Sona is not even being considered to take care of Dev's happiness by Dev's own family members. They want to continue to pamper their raja beta. If Sona hurts Dev, do the FAMILY members really have a point ? Right to punish is proportional to the sense of responsibility and expectation. When Dev has been given the responsibility by Bijoy and he failed, the punishment would be equally severe. Had Ishwari given Sona ANY responsibility towards Dev and had she failed in it, we would see her slapping Sona. But alas, Ishwari doesnt want to share Dev, Dev's reasons behind happiness, sadness and Dev's responsibility with anyone (proof, removing swing, preparing pre-nup), so what would Ishwari complaint of ? Dev is all hers and only hers, proved time and again.


Anyways, what is happening to Dev now has been done by Dev to too many people, be it the strangers at that night, doctors, drivers, secretary etc (I made the list sometimes back😆) so now someone is giving him the taste of his own medicine and this time oh-so-rightfully. 😉 Let's enjoy the coward and liar being caught and punished 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy

Are we comparing a criminal like Khatri to Dev ? Khatri thereatned his mom when she was alone and had done things to her when they were poor so is Dev and Khatri the same ?Can we except Dev to treat him like a VIP .

The two man on the road were beating him and he did try to explain them but when they didn't listen to him he had to do that for his safety .

Situations are different and the above people are nothing but strangers .Here Bijoy has seen Dev and his love for his daughter.Fine he was angry but he could have dealt with it inside the home .Asha is not happy with Dev either but the way she behaved and the way Bijoy does shows the difference.

Regarding ripping apart someone who hurt his daughter...do that after knowing the complete truth .I am sure if a MIL had done this to her DIL for hurting his son then MIL would be called with names ...or if a husband did that to a wife for hurting his family then wife would be the victim ..anyway that's a hypothetical situation .


No one is comparing Khatri n Dev. We are comparing Dev's n Bijoy's reaction when angry n provoked. If I can understand Dev's anger n frustration, I can also sympathise with Bijoy...Dev wud hv behaved d same way had anyone else hurt Sona..like hw he handled Vicki.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun



I am not promoting violence on any particular sex. But the circumstances and situations define the severity of a crime. For a killing someone, you might get lifetime imprisonment, but when done in self-defense, the punishment is lowered. And as I said, please don't confuse it with sex, it's about the situation. Let me try to explain one more time.


Dev has been given the responsibility to take care of Sona. He failed BIG BIG time. Is Sona happy after knowing the truth ? Or we were expecting she would NEVER come to know the truth or something like that ? Being hit by life is one thing which is infertility, one cannot do much in it. But being hit by your own spouse who is lawfully given the responsibility of your well-being - is another extreme, whether you can see it or not. If not shout and hold collar or slap, Bijoy can put Dev into jail for his earlier stalking crimes and for invading privacy on medical reports.


Sona is not even being considered to take care of Dev's happiness by Dev's own family members. They want to continue to pamper their raja beta. If Sona hurts Dev, do the FAMILY members really have a point ? Right to punish is proportional to the sense of responsibility and expectation. When Dev has been given the responsibility by Bijoy and he failed, the punishment would be equally severe. Had Ishwari given Sona ANY responsibility towards Dev and had she failed in it, we would see her slapping Sona. But alas, Ishwari doesnt want to share Dev, Dev's reasons behind happiness, sadness and Dev's responsibility with anyone (proof, removing swing, preparing pre-nup), so what would Ishwari complaint of ? Dev is all hers and only hers, proved time and again.


Anyways, what is happening to Dev now has been done by Dev to too many people, be it the strangers at that night, doctors, drivers, secretary etc (I made the list sometimes back😆) so now someone is giving him the taste of his own medicine and this time oh-so-rightfully.😉Let's enjoy the coward and liar being caught and punished😆



I am sorry but I have to disagree with you completely.Dev is not the protector nor Sona is some doll which needs to be protected by her husband ..marriage is between two adults who share a life and have each other's responsibility .

If we go by the your logic ,since Sona is Dev's responsibility he is responsible for her safety .He should be allowed to punish her when he feels she is over stepping her limit or putting her life in danger or hiding things from her protector .

Regarding giving it back ..even you know it won't take Dev a second to reply back to Bijoy and give him taste of his own medicine.Bijoy is neither physically strong nor powerful enough to hurt Dev .Before Bijoy can file a case Dev could put him behind bars for attempting to assault him in public ...wow that would be perfect FIL in jail for assaulting SIL ..SIL in jail for making fake reports and in the end Sonakshi Bose joins them for creating fake profile and stalking Kushi..cyber crime you see ..perfect trio can enjoy their free meal in jail ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy



I am sorry but I have to disagree with you completely.Dev is not the protector nor Sona is some doll which needs to be protected by her husband ..marriage is between two adults who share a life and have each other's responsibility .

If we go by the your logic ,since Sona is Dev's responsibility he is responsible for her safety .He should be allowed to punish her when he feels she is over stepping her limit or putting her life in danger or hiding things from her protector .

Regarding giving it back ..even you know it won't take Dev a second to reply back to Bijoy and give him taste of his own medicine.Bijoy is neither physically strong nor powerful enough to hurt Dev .Before Bijoy can file a case Dev could put him behind bars for attempting to assault him in public ...wow that would be perfect FIL in jail for assaulting SIL ..SIL in jail for making fake reports and in the end Sonakshi Bose joins them for creating fake profile and stalking Kushi..cyber crime you see ..perfect trio can enjoy their free meal in jail ...



Sorry to intrude...just wanted to throw in a scene...
When Dev can hold collar of Vicky for coming home drunk - because his house is temple and his mom is devi.. atleast in this case vicky did not play with anyone's emotions or create problems in the house by being drunk.

I dont see anything wrong with Bijoy holding collar of Dev and asking - how he could play with the emotions of his daughter like that... atleast in this case Bijoy is Dev's dad's age
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ yyy - Let's agree to disagree here. But just let me conclude here saying 1 thing - Power, when used upon wrong people like Rithwik, Sona, Bijoy, does not look sexy like it looks when he uses it with Aayan like people. When Dev tries to bribe a doctor or a driver or shouts at his secretary or manipulates his own family members like Sona or uses against Rithwik, it does not look sexy at all. He falls into the eyes of good people each time he does so.

Being drunk in power is not good for long term. Dev's behaviour to almost everyone around him almost gives the same vibe. It wont be far enough to see Dev putting a person like Bijoy behind the bars by the speed he is going. Hope he is stopped at the right moment before he is drunk beyond recovery.

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Also by showing what 'more' the GREAT Dev Dixit could do in such scenario and how 'kind' he is to let go off Bijoy for not retorting back, it's like we are comparing ourselves to the worst of the lot to prove ourselves better. Does it really work that way in real life ? 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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These are two different situations..it's Dev's home and if he feels his home is temple then no Vivky can question him ...anyway it's a different argument ...If holding collar was the issue I would have made a post long back when Sona held Dev's collar in hospital...

The issue is discussing personal matters in public,creating scene in front of others ...he calls Dev as his son and expects him to call him Baba ,correct ? Would he have behaved same way with his daughter..he would have given her a chance to explain ...anyway I don't blame Bijoy for getting angry or for not understanding his intentions because blood is thicker than water .like I have been saying Dev and Sona fell in love not their families so I don't have unreasonable expectations from Bijoy or Ishwari
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

@ yyy - Let's agree to disagree here. But just let me conclude here saying 1 thing - Power, when used upon wrong people like Rithwik, Sona, Bijoy, does not look sexy like it looks when he uses it with Aayan like people. When Dev tries to bribe a doctor or a driver or shouts at his secretary or manipulates his own family members like Sona or uses against Rithwik, it does not look sexy at all. He falls into the eyes of good people each time he does so.

Being drunk in power is not good for long term. Dev's behaviour to almost everyone around him almost gives the same vibe. It wont be far enough to see Dev putting a person like Bijoy behind the bars by the speed he is going. Hope he is stopped at the right moment before he is drunk beyond recovery.

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Also by showing what 'more' the GREAT Dev Dixit could do in such scenario and how 'kind' he is to let go off Bijoy for not retorting back, it's like we are comparing ourselves to the worst of the lot to prove ourselves better. Does it really work that way in real life ? 😊



WORD.
Even though every one clapped for what Dev did with Aayan today... I did not enjoy it thoroughly...
Dev should have told the truth to police that ayan has been cheating to get married to his sister and also blackmailing him.. he even has the text message aayan sent him... what was the need to book him under a false attempt to murder case -- again misuse of power.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy



At the same time Bijoy has seen Dev standing up for his daughter in front of his mom during prenup argument.He has seen Dixit family compromise in the wedding ,everything was done according to their wishes .Bijoy has seen Dev's love for Sonakshi .

I completely understand a father's feelings here but I guess calling someone as a son will not make him their son .A SIL will always remain a SIL never a son .If it was his daughter he would have given her benefit of doubt ...anyway that's the reality .A DIL will be a DIL and a SIL will be a SIL


Yes Bijoy has seen Dev standing up for Sona n bcoz of tht he has forgiven him for the bitter breakup n subsequent situations. I can understand Bijoy's immediate overreaction n anger but once Dev tells d complete truth, apologises, explains his dilemma, Bijoy wud soften towards Dev again.

Wat u said is completely true...DIL will be DIL n SIL will be SIL ..In addition FIL will always be FIL n same for MIL. However hard sm1 tries to fit in, realoty wud nt change. Maybe DIL can become like daughter after years of MIL DIL living together n thats why it irks me to see Sona so desperately trying to become Ish's 4th daughter within few mnths of marriage.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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These are two different situations..it's Dev's home and if he feels his home is temple then no Vivky can question him ...anyway it's a different argument ...If holding collar was the issue I would have made a post long back when Sona held Dev's collar in hospital...

The issue is discussing personal matters in public,creating scene in front of others ...he calls Dev as his son and expects him to call him Baba ,correct ? Would he have behaved same way with his daughter..he would have given her a chance to explain ...anyway I don't blame Bijoy for getting angry or for not understanding his intentions because blood is thicker than water .like I have been saying Dev and Sona fell in love not their families so I don't have unreasonable expectations from Bijoy or Ishwari



I think the current situation is actually much worse than the situation where vicky was drunk.
Dev also slapped vicky and left him in jail -- because vicky was wrong and he deserved it. he didnt say "let me take vicky home and then slap him there and punish him".. when ppl are angry they show their emotion right where they feel it... we know bijoy and dev are both impulsive in the same way... they are both very protective of family/sona...

well the public humiliation that Bijoy caused now as he was angry and heart broken as his daughter is hurt once again by the same person is nothing when compare to the public humiliation that Dev caused during Sona's date with Rithwick in the restaurant.

Dev volunteered to call bijoy as baba... bijoy never asked him...lets not forget Dev is still in probation period when Bijoy is concerned.. and Dev has not done anything significant to actually prove himself that he will not hurt sona again in future.. He accepted him only for Sona otherwise he would never have said yes to this marriage.

All in all,,,.. Dev did wrong...Bijoy got to know the news and held his collar... nothing wrong in this... Dev being the person who has lied... he would understand that he deserved it.

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