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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I dunno, I am kind of enjoying this shameless Sona 😆 She's been a long time coming! Unless Sona does something assertive and demands attention, the Dixits have multiple ways of pretending she doesn't exist. I like that she is fighting back, starting with her own room. The Dixits may have a custom of the wife doing all the domestic work for the husband, but that is not how the Boses work. Sona is finally bringing that side of her to her new home. I like how it's playing out, so I am not too upset by her aggressive vibes. 😛

As for Dev, it's not so much the issue that he doesn't do these things that bothers me (and I imagine Sona), it's that he can't. He says he wants Ishwari to be in good health and to rest, but he is more than happy to let her do all this work, happy to wake her up in the middle of the night. Why? Because he doesn't think of it as work at all. Men who are brought up in such environments tend to assume that these things happen magically -- why wouldn't their handkerchief be in the right place everyday? But it is work, and important work, and I think it's important for everyone to have these basic skills. It's pretty shameful that Dev doesn't (much like so many men in our society), and I am with Sona as she points this out to him.


Yes, men or women should do their own work. But I am woman and I work so I don't fold my own clothes. My maid does. I put them in the cupboard. But if I were to do everything, I would go mad and hate my life. I anyways work extra hours, my energy level will hit the ground level if cook, clean and do everything else. Not just men, even women who are told to do everything are being told wrong. Also I hate this planning plotting wala training. Chee, I hate this training word.Live and let live. Also we should we should stop confusing Dev's weak act and Sona's training regime. They are different facets and warrant different air time, Lets no forgive Dev so easily.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Also we should we should stop confusing Dev's weak act and sona's training regime. They are different facets and warrant different air time, Lets no forgive Dev so easily.



^^^^
Absolutely. Different degree of wrongness altogether.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: cscs

Even i didn't liked that "training" thing.


Exactly I too didn't like the way she is discussing all this with her family.


Edited by .kashishbano. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shilky88

At first place I am confused as to what is the actual reason that Sona is upset with this wardrobe issue.
As it is very normal and common that a busy person like Dev Dixit would have never managed time to fold his clothes or to arrange his bed room.

Such things are normally being done either by people who are staying at home as they have nothing else to do or by their servants.

I feel Sona failed miserably to understand,handle and balance the whole wardrobe issue.

Is she personally not comfortable Ishwari barging in her and Dev's wardrobe with one excuse or another?
If yes then she should be vocal about it. If it doesn't seem decent in front of everyone then she could have expressed her concern privately to Dev.






Exactly my thoughts .

Till yesterday I was happy with the way sona want Dev to be independent,but folding the clothes is not really understood.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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She is discussing it with her dad just like he is discussing it with his mother. It's the choice of words. Where will the training stop?
Why only told clothes? Why not load the washer? Why not deal with the Dhobi?

Why can't she make her own fulkas? Why can't he make his own coffee? Why does he massage his mother's feet? Why can't a nurse do it?

Wrong battle at absolutely the wrong time
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The undercurrent of the jhoola and wardrobe issue is the same. They don't discuss issues among themselves and air it to the family.
Also, wish sona would tell her dad that Dev makes a mean sandwich and is well 'trained' on some aspects
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I dunno, I am kind of enjoying this shameless Sona😆She's been a long time coming! Unless Sona does something assertive and demands attention, the Dixits have multiple ways of pretending she doesn't exist. I like that she is fighting back, starting with her own room. The Dixits may have a custom of the wife doing all the domestic work for the husband, but that is not how the Boses work. Sona is finally bringing that side of her to her new home. I like how it's playing out, so I am not too upset by her aggressive vibes.😛

As for Dev, it's not so much the issue that he doesn't do these things that bothers me (and I imagine Sona), it's that he can't. He says he wants Ishwari to be in good health and to rest, but he is more than happy to let her do all this work, happy to wake her up in the middle of the night. Why? Because he doesn't think of it as work at all. Men who are brought up in such environments tend to assume that these things happen magically -- why wouldn't their handkerchief be in the right place everyday? But it is work, and important work, and I think it's important for everyone to have these basic skills. It's pretty shameful that Dev doesn't (much like so many men in our society), and I am with Sona as she points this out to him.



Great to see your post and like always you bring a totally different perspective .I think it's probably the first time I slightly disagree with you

You are right everyone needs to learn basic skills to survive in life .Be it cooking or managing your stuff .There is nothing wrong in that but at the same time these changes won't happen overnight and if a person is pressurized too much he is gonna react badly to it .That what happens ..we saw how Dev was ready to change for Sonakshi but when she is pushed him too much he went to Ishwari .I can see history repeating itself he got close to Sonakshi because she accepted him for what he is and it was a welcome break for him .He was suffocated in his own home as this mom controlled him and his role was to just sacrifice for his family keeping his needs aside .now I see the same Scenerio again with Sona being Ishwari

I can see another Neha here who wants to change Ravneet according to her liking .This clothes thing might look small compared to Neha issue but I see a similarity

I am actually surprised to see this coming from a girl who depended on her mother for everything before marriage .I remember a scene when Ritwixk was there to see her ,her father mentioned she cannot even wash her clothes .We have seen how Sonakshi doesn't know the basic survival skills be it cooking ,cleaning or managing home .She is not forced to learn these and she is given freedom to learn at her pace .

I found Dev solution to be practical when there is no space in the wardrobe people think of buying new furniture .Sharing wardrobe which has no space for both of them is not a temporary arrangement but a lifelong arrangement .

I saw your reply on another post so replying here ..After finding Dev's clothes in Ishwari's room she might react badly and can gain his attention but not he might not understand her real concerns and will feel suffocated in his own room He might support her due to fear of another outburst from her and might even do things beyond her back .I have noticed just like Ishwari Sona tries to control him .

She needs to learn to give him some breathing space

Edited by yyyy - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: preethik

Why is Sona pushing this clean up thing. Everybody says that Dev should be introspecting bu I feel Sona should be doing esp about the events around her. Why is she not communicating to Dev about being left out of rias marriage talks. There are so many events going on around her but she seems to be in her own land of dreams.

Perhaps keeping his clothes in his moms wardrobe might get him or her to stumble upon the prenup. I think that's where ishu pit.

.. Prenup!! Arey Han...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy



Great to see your post and like always you bring a totally different perspective .I think it's probably the first time I slightly disagree with you

You are right everyone needs to learn basic skills to survive in life .Be it cooking or managing your stuff .There is nothing wrong in that but at the same time these changes won't happen overnight and if a person is pressurized too much he is gonna react badly to it .That what happens ..we saw how Dev was ready to change for Sonakshi but when she is pushed him too much she went to Ishwari .I can see history repeating itself he got close to Sonakshi because she accepted him for what he is and it was a welcome break for him .He was suffocated in his own home as this mom controlled him and his role was to just sacrifice for his family keeping his needs aside .now I see the same Scenerio again with Sona being Ishwari

I can see another Neha here who wants to change Ravneet according to her liking .This clothes thing might look small compared to Neha issue but I see a similarity

I am actually surprised to see this coming from a girl who depended on her mother for everything before marriage .I remember a scene when Ritwixk was there to see her ,her father mentioned she cannot even wash her clothes .We have seen how Sonakshi doesn't know the basic survival skills be it cooking ,cleaning or managing home .She is not forced to learn these and she is given freedom to learn at her pace .

I found Dev solution to be practical when there is no space people in the wardrobe people think of buying new furniture .Sharing wardrobe which has no space for both of them is not a temporary arrangement but a lifelong arrangement .

I saw your reply on another post so replying here ..After finding Dev's clothes in Ishwari's room she might react badly and can gain his attention but not he might not understand her real concerns and will feel suffocated in his own room He might support her due to fear of another outburst from her and might even do things beyond her back .I have noticed just like Ishwari Sona tries to control him .

She needs to learn to give him some breathing space



Exactly. They haven't been married for a month even. Changes are needed. But this is the wrong thing to pick

I 100% agree that a couple's wardrobe is a private place. No one aside from them should have access to it. But why won't sona say that clearly to her husband and mother in law.

You know mothers like Ishwari exist. They don't step back when the bahu comes home. But, people like Dadi bua,mamiji,those ladies who came for muh dikhai, neha... these people remind the mother that lalla ab bada ho gaya hai...bahu ko uski cheezen sambhalne dena


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree with you all that Sona's pressure is pushing Dev towards Ishwari, just as the latter's pushed him towards Sona, but I just don't see this as Sona's mistake. They entered this relationship as equals and it is not Sona's responsibility to mollycoddle Dev and make sure her timing is right. As some of you mentioned, she herself is learning all of these skills this for the first time, and there was no choice in it for her since she had to leave her mother, so why shouldn't she ask that Dev participate and help her out? If they start now, they can share the workload as time goes on, or at least, in case Ishwari is unable to help one day (because maybe she is sulking again, or sleeping) Dev will be able to manage without turning their room upside down.

When Dev told Sona she could do whatever she needed to make the room feel like "their room," he wasn't doing her a favour; he was correcting an oversight. And the needs Sona eventually expressed are hardly anything: one corner with her swing and some colour, and for Dev to be able to take care of his own wardrobe. Even in this she is being super encouraging, leaving that note for him and all, but for Dev, it's already too much to ask. At the first hint of having to do something for Sona that doesn't immediately please him, Dev ran off to his mother to be soothed and pampered and told that he is perfect just the way he is... I mean, COME ON! Dev is an intelligent, sensitive person when he wants to be, which makes it doubly disappointing that he is making such a huge deal out of finding a pair of socks.

I see this as a pretty simple matter: Sona is learning how to manage their new life, and she wants Dev to participate so they can work together. What is actually complicated is the way people choose to talk about it. Neither did I appreciate the sisters' "joru ka ghulam" comment, nor did I like Bijoy's choice of "training" as a way to describe what Sona is asking for. The problem with both of these ideas is the assumption that the husband does no domestic work, and therefore that the wife's demand for equal sharing is subordination of the husband, as though she is making him do work that is beneath his dignity. It's clear that even Dev feels this way, otherwise he would have applied his intelligence and made light work out of such a simple task.

So let him whine and run to Ishwari, but we'll see what happens the next time she forces him to do something against his will, and he is emotionally vulnerable. Maybe he'll find his safe space a little more hostile than he left it because of his own neglect. Why should Sona constantly be there for him when he doesn't see fit to return the favour? She doesn't exist only to make his life easier, and if his reaction to her modest demands is to run to his mother, then so be it, but don't expect Sona to start playing this game where she competes with Ishwari for his attention!
Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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