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Posted: 8 years ago
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How the heck are they going to bring Neha and Ranveer's marriage back from this? There is so much negativity now, not just between husband and wife, but between their respective families as well. And to be honest, I don't think anybody really understands what is going on, not even Sona. If everyone else is on one extreme, assuming that the love between Neha and Ranveer is dead so no point in the relationship, then Sona is the other, insisting that as long as they love each other, nothing else matters. I agree that the separation is not for love lost between Neha and Ranveer, but it's also not merely a question of ego, as Sona keeps saying it is. This separation has to do with certain needs that each of them have, that supersede even love.


It's not Sona's fault nor is she totally wrong in her assessment; she is just missing the main point in this situation. I genuinely believe that Neha tried her best to make things work, and she came back home when she was at the absolute end of her tether, making it difficult to argue for love. Besides, I don't think Neha ever denied that she loves Ranveer, but that's just not the point anymore. Love or not, Neha found herself deeply unhappy, and reliving her terrible past, in her marriage with Ranveer and the love between them was not enough to compensate for that unhappiness. That, I think is what Sona is missing, and where she is being a bit naive in insisting that love is the all-encompassing answer. The fact that she sees her and Dev's relationship reflected in Neha and Ranveer makes it all the more urgent for her to see it come right; if love can't save them, then what's going to hold Dev and her together?


But there is a fundamental difference. The way I see it, Ranveer and Neha trusted each other with hard-fought and important parts of themselves. In compromising one of the two things she wanted out of marriage (physical comfort and love), Neha trusted Ranveer to make up for her sacrifice with extra love, and an effort to become more financially successful. She showed him that trust by moving in with his family despite her deep issues with poverty. Ranveer trusted Neha with his self-respect, and showed it by taking the job that Dev offered despite the fact that it was against his principles. They shattered each other's trust, and thereby shattered what the other one held most dear. Now it's as though Neha is punishing Ranveer for his independence and idealism, and Ranveer is punishing Neha for her bluntness and pragmatism. Dev and Sona have a slight advantage here. While their love story definitely faced huge hurdles, neither of them was compelled to compromise a huge part of their identity -- something they loved about themselves -- to make the relationship work.


But despite the differences, it's the similarities that arouse Sona's insecurity. Ranveer's principles of self-respect and self-sufficency are very similar to her own, she too was once the sole bread-winner for her family, who found herself at the mercy of Dev Dixit's financial influence, and most importantly, like her, Ranveer is a peripheral member of Dixit family... a member in name, but still an outsider to their core emotional bond. Sona sees herself in Ranveer, and perceives her situation as incredibly precarious, but for Dev, she is a part of the Dixit family; isn't it natural that she would take Neha's side and understand him using any means possible to avenge his sister's insult? Ranveer broke their trust, which is something they hardly give to anyone, so shouldn't he be punished? Maybe in the Dixit system, where Dev's actions go mostly unquestioned because he is a man, and the sole earner of the family, but Dev is also Bose now and they have very different standards. I look forward to seeing him held to them; he will undoubtedly be a better man for it!


There was a subtle and interesting shift in the Dixit family this week. Bringing Neha into the spotlight might have been something Ishwari did accidentally, but it is shifting the dynamic in the family ever so slightly. For the first time, both Dev and Ishwari acknowledged and appreciated, to Neha's face, the sacrifices she had made for them. Dev giving her the doll was exactly that, him saying, "I know what you gave up, and I really appreciate it. I am going to try and give you happiness now." It took a marriage on the rocks for Neha's family to begin to understand that what she needed could only come from them. I was also intrigued by Ishwari. Sure, she went off to the mandir by herself but I didn't see her usual spark when Dev confronted her. She didn't tell him he had forgotten his old responsibilities, and though she wasn't happy with him missing their tradition, there was a kind of resignation in her attitude, rather than her usual fighting stance. Was it because Sona was actually hurt, and Dev's attention to her necessary? Is it possibly (and I wish!) because her preoccupation with Neha is making her less obsessed with Dev? I have always predicted that that would happen.. and it would be interesting to see it unfold.


Finally, I think it would actually be interesting from a story-perspective for them to just show Neha getting divorced. Neither Ranveer nor Neha are bad people, and I genuinely believe they both tried their best, but what if your best is not good enough to sustain the relationship? What if your best is not enough to meet the minimum requirement of the other person? To my eyes, that is what their situation currently looks like, and I think a divorce would be far more convincing than a reconciliation at this point. Something like the arc they had for Zaroon's sister in Zindagi Gulzar Hai would be amazing to watch (maybe without the Taming of the Shrew undertones, though). Take Neha through a period where she regrets her haste, both to get married and divorced, but gains maturity from the experience, while having the unconditional support of her mother and family. Neha can relive her childhood, and Ishwari her motherhood... perhaps then they can put the past behind them, and live in the moment..


And that (finally) concludes this weekend's post. 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Sam 🤗
Beautiful analysis. I still had hopes on Neha- Ranveer reconciliation until Thursday episode. But now asking myself what now Ranveer never wanted to marry n Neha never believed that love will ever find her. Despite this they both found each other and fell in love n got married. But difficulties in life forced them to acknowledge that they were wrong in expecting their partner to be something they were not. Now will they be able to love them for who they are?

Loved what you had written about Sona seeing her relationship reflected in Neha- Ranveer. So true. Their first fight after confession was also based on the same. But unlike Dev n Sona, Neha n Ranveer are separated because of problems between themselves.

Agree with you regarding a resigned Ishwari. She is too preoccupied now and she is genuinely concerned about Neha. In the gift scene she was closely watching Neha's expressions and was relieved only after Dev gave her the gift and Neha smiled. She was relieved when Dev said he remembers everything and understood Neha's needs.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh no Sam , plz dont loose hope on them 😭 !!!! I was shocked at the recent turn of events including the case against Neha , but I hope they may come up with a way to turn this around !!!! I will try to revisit here !!!
Res :

Sam , for the first time reading your post I panicked !!! You are one of the few people here who could make us see things in different light and think in different perspectives even in the worst times ... So I was surprised to read this but the truth in your words was what scared me !!! Even though I am hoping things will turn around , somewhere in my mind I was also starting to give up !!!!

I agree with you that Sona is being both right and wrong in here . She always saw her family discussing the problems to each other ,finding a solution , there was nothing personal there even if it is love life of their daughter or job of their kids everything was out in open . So here everyone giving upon Neha-Ranveer's relationship or not taking any efforts to solve it was freaking her out which made her visit Ranveer's house . Frankly that is a logical step any family would take in these situation , but it was not her place , I wished it was either Ishwari or Mamaji who had done that .

As much as I hate the line "Sonakshi you would not understand" , I believe there is some truth in it . When she enjoyed that blissful feeling of waking up to her love ,she wished for the same for Neha too, but she doesn't realize what makes her happy and content may not be the same for everyone . She didn't have that scars that remind her off her bitter pasts which did not make her believe in fairy tales but ugly truth of life ... This applies to lot of us too , when we judge people or characters here and preach about "righteousness" , we should also realize we may not be really able to comprehend the situation completely given the fact that we haven't gone through the circumstances these characters had , and human behavior is not as simple as we think it is ...

About Ishwari ,I don't believe the change in her is just a distraction due to Neha , among all the characters in the show she is going through the worst phase I believe . Given the recent turn of events, she is living her worst nightmare of a failed mother . I am not getting into it now, as I have lots to say.

Now its impossible not to compare both the separations. What you said about trust and betrayal is so true . But didn't it happen with Dev , Sona as well . Sona had the utmost trust that whatever hurdles they might had to face in their relationship Dev would be with her. In her own words he was the most important person in her life who had the power to hurt her the most. So when he failed to take a stand for their love , and was ready to break those promises , she was shattered and felt betrayed !!! Dev was always fascinated by Sona's ability to understand people and handle the situations with maturity .During break-up he knew what he was doing was wrong , but I believe somewhere in his mind he had more trust in their love and expected Sona to fathom his feelings ! For him it was not giving upon her , but an immediate damage control . That's why he was freaking out and turned to a psycho when he found out Sona is moving on with some one else . Both of them had seen each others worst during separation , if Dev thought Sona was trying to hurt him where it hurts the most by deciding to marry Rithvik , Sona was seeing a psycho Dev who stalks her and creating more and more troubles for her by interfering in her and Rithvik's life . And even messier was the equation between two families specially Ishwari and Bejoy . When Dev-Sona separation happened what disturbed me the most was even if they could patch up and love again, will they get their trust back. I know they are not there yet , but the way they are showing the progress in their relationship after marriage is making me believe that love and time may heal even the deepest wounds ... I don't know if I am being foolishly optimistic, but I still have hopes for Neha-Ranveer as I believe they hit the rock bottom now and it can't get any worse than this.

Now as much as I love to see Neha and Ranveer repent their actions and look at situations with more maturity, I really don't want a divorce to happen like in Zaroon's sister in ZGH . Dev may be able to find a better guy for Neha , who would try to give Neha everything she wants , but most of her identity will be associated as Dev Dixit's sister . I had posted it earlier , for Neha, Ranveer may be the first guy who was close to her in the outside world but for Ranveer she is not the first girl he met , yet he fell for this illiterate girl with flaws and was ready to compromise even his self respect to start a life with her . And I still believe he can make her come out of the past and give her the confidence to face the world and rediscover herself ... I would want to see that Neha more than anything ...


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigirl987

Oh no Sam , plz dont loose hope on them 😭 !!!! I was shocked at the recent turn of events including the case against Neha , but I hope they may come up with a way to turn this around !!!! I will try to revisit here !!!


Trust me, I was the biggest Neha-Ranveer shipper, and it breaks my hear to see them like this, but I just don't see how they can come back! 😭 No matter what, one of them has to compromise soemthing they really value, that creates huge expectations from the other, which inevitably sets them up for failure. What's more, now both of them have been exceedingly cruel to each other, Ranveer with the false allegations, and Neha by proxy through Ranveer's dismissal from his job. I mean, once Neha's bhabhi -- aka the sweetest and most sorted person ever -- is mad, is there any turning back?

PS: I loved the post you made earlier today! So spot on! 👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Two words for your post. SIMPLY WOW..
Neha nd Ranveer now hitting the rock bottom of their relationship. Anger at failure of individual expectations, blame game nd ego. It will be amazing to watch whn both of thm realise the importance of staying together and the ripple effect it has on the people around them

P.S. i so hated whn ranveer's bhabhi said 'aap log meri nazar mein ghir chuke ho'. That was totally uncalled for.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Brilliant post👏
Yes, Neha and Ranveer have reached a point in their relationship where things are beyond repair. It has turned messy not only for them, but now the families and court is involved too. I wonder if they will patch-up ever but a separation with peaceful closure of tbis chapter in their lives, with Neha's lessons learned would be the most plausible option. I am eager to see what is in store for them.
I never thought about the entire situation where Dev and Sona were being two extremists. Your post gave me a new insight about Sonakshi's insecurity, was wondering why she was shocked with the way Dev told "mai aisa hi hu"
Like you said, her self respect and other things are similar to Ranveer and earlier also, Dev and Sonakshi actually had an arguemen on the same where Sona was hurt when he expressed how difference in financial status was a big trouble for Neha-Ranveer.
P.S Sam, do you have anything to say on the much talked about scene where Dev is disturbed and Sona keeps her head on his lap?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: havima

Two words for your post. SIMPLY WOW..

Neha nd Ranveer now hitting the rock bottom of their relationship. Anger at failure of individual expectations, blame game nd ego. It will be amazing to watch whn both of thm realise the importance of staying together and the ripple effect it has on the people around them

P.S. i so hated whn ranveer's bhabhi said 'aap log meri nazar mein ghir chuke ho'. That was totally uncalled for.


Thanks!

Actually, I was with Ranveer's bhabhi on that one. Getting Ranveer fired was a really low blow, especially when he only took that job to please Neha. By taking it away, Dev made Ranveer and his family feel like that considering them family and compromising for Neha was a terrible decision that resulted only in humilation and financial jeopardy. How can they think well of a family who treats them with such little respect?


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: saumiee

Brilliant post👏

Yes, Neha and Ranveer have reached a point in their relationship where things are beyond repair. It has turned messy not only for them, but now the families and court is involved too. I wonder if they will patch-up ever but a separation with peaceful closure of tbis chapter in their lives, with Neha's lessons learned would be the most plausible option. I am eager to see what is in store for them.
I never thought about the entire situation where Dev and Sona were being two extremists. Your post gave me a new insight about Sonakshi's insecurity, was wondering why she was shocked with the way Dev told "mai aisa hi hu"
Like you said, her self respect and other things are similar to Ranveer and earlier also, Dev and Sonakshi actually had an arguemen on the same where Sona was hurt when he expressed how difference in financial status was a big trouble for Neha-Ranveer.
P.S Sam, do you have anything to say on the much talked about scene where Dev is disturbed and Sona keeps her head on his lap?


Thanks! It's so true, Neha and Ranveer's relationship has always been a sore point for Dev and Sona because it brings up so many of the unpleasant issues in their own relationship, be it economic discrepancy or moral absolutism vs. my family comes above any morals. While the story is introducing Dev to the transformative power of love, by which he is learning to be more empathetic and sensitive to emotional complexity, it is introducing Sona to the harsh realities of the world, where she is learning that loving someone is only half the battle, and the practical concerns matter as well. I'm excited to see where that takes us in their relationship in the coming episodes.

@P.S. So, I only watched the scene once, and this is totally debateable, but the way I read it was that Ishwari's indentification of Sona as a "responsibility" for Dev freaked him out a little bit. He rarely thinks of Sona in that way, as someone dependent on him, but when he does it always gives him worry about an added responsibility and how it conflicts with his others. His actions and the way he put his hand on her head were him saying, yes, I will fulfill this responsibility. But Sona has a great knack of reminding him just who she is, and that came out beautifully in the paratha-feeding scene. She didn't just let him feed her but made him eat as well, and when he assumed that she expected him to rescue her, she reminded him that she is capable of fighting her own battles, all she needs is his support. He may have laughed her off, but I read it as relief! 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice to see your post sam .. I was thinking everyone abandoned ship as most of regular posters didnt post last and this week . I guess diwali effect.. I am glad everyone is back now.
I am seriously worried about ranveer neha -- there is too much bitterness. Not sure how they will resolve it. I guess cvs are going to take their own time to settle this matter. May be they will be separated temporarily,neha does somethibg and become financially independent and then meet with rv again and get together. Not sure how many number of pyar ke bhashan are going to help the situation now.. It is very interesting and i am glued to the show like never before.

Ishwari has definitely mellowed down towards sona. But i still am a bit irritated that she chose to go to temple alone when she could have taken neha ir other girls with her.. That was her chance to show neha that she will get her part of importance and love from ishwari. She missed a golden chance to mend her relationship with neha.. She said tujhe apne palkon pe saja ke rakhi gi .. But still she has not taken any major step to include neha in all her exclusive paramparas.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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👏 For such a beautiful, beautiful post.

You wrote out the whole dynamics so well. Neha is one of my favorite characters on the show. She in my opinion has suffered a lot and I believed that this Divorce was her cry for help. This new twist of Ranveer citing harassment has somehow turned the story of Neha and Ranveer. Sometimes maybe love is just not enough to sustain. It is maybe time for Neha to explore what she really wants from life and it may not lead to getting back together with Ranveer. I loved what you wrote about Sona 's dynamics in this whole situation. Earlier also Sona was offended and hurt about Dev's actions when it came to money and it seems Dev is doing it again.

The show is really moving on to a very interesting phase.

Thanks again for an insightful piece of writing


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