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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


Thanks!

I don't know if I would say if their relationship was necessarily doomed, but it certainly had the odds stacked against it! If it were to work, their relationship would have required brutally honest communication and compassion from one to the other. Unfortunately, the moment things didn't go her way, Neha unleashed her bitter tongue, and Ranveer was more than happy to go on with his life as he saw fit, not really making the necessary accomodations for a new, and very emotionally fragile person being in his life.

GKB also only turned out to be right because other aspects of the situation didn't work out. Had Ranveer made a point to give Neha the romance she craved, instead of leaving her in a mundane, thankless existence once again, the money part wouldn't have mattered. Had she gotten more support from her own family to make this relationship work... like respecting her situation and not demanding expensive gifts from her at Sona and Dev's wedding, then maybe the lack of material comfort would not have made a difference. It's only making a difference now, because she was unhappy about other things, and figured, better to be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy!



Agree with Sandhya as reality is harsher for couples from different classes in real life, especially when the girl marries down and has to live in conditions and without amenities she is used to; where as a guy marrying a girl belonging to a lower class doesn't have to endure this as he doesn't have to compromise his lifestyle.

But I agree with you about better communication and familial support for Neha-Ranveer marriage to have worked.

Edited by SandyAquarium - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


Thanks!

I don't know if I would say if their relationship was necessarily doomed, but it certainly had the odds stacked against it! If it were to work, their relationship would have required brutally honest communication and compassion from one to the other. Unfortunately, the moment things didn't go her way, Neha unleashed her bitter tongue, and Ranveer was more than happy to go on with his life as he saw fit, not really making the necessary accomodations for a new, and very emotionally fragile person being in his life.

GKB also only turned out to be right because other aspects of the situation didn't work out. Had Ranveer made a point to give Neha the romance she craved, instead of leaving her in a mundane, thankless existence once again, the money part wouldn't have mattered. Had she gotten more support from her own family to make this relationship work... like respecting her situation and not demanding expensive gifts from her at Sona and Dev's wedding, then maybe the lack of material comfort would not have made a difference. It's only making a difference now, because she was unhappy about other things, and figured, better to be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy!


When I say doomed, I was talking purely from reality point of view and not the show.Igniting kind of Romance lasts only that long in any. relationship...I mean even in the best of relationships. Following the initial high, romance combined with daily life will never be what it was during the initial phase of a relationship and the shine continues to take a hit as time goes by. That is life. I am not saying you love the person any less but you find less and less time to romance the woman/man you love.

You are right, honest communication is the key to a successful marriage but in dev's words "jab paison ki tango hota hai na tab" love tends to become mundane because you are caught up in the survival game.

In no way am I saying Neha is all wrong and Ranveer is right or the other way round.

I won't claim to be an expert on how a marraige would turn out when a girl from a rich family marries a guy from many classes below but I have seen one fail spectacularly and so am a sceptic when it comes to such alliances.
Edited by sandyaramesh - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigirl987

Sam , for the first time reading your post I panicked !!! You are one of the few people here who could make us see things in different light and think in different perspectives even in the worst times ... So I was surprised to read this but the truth in your words was what scared me !!! Even though I am hoping things will turn around , somewhere in my mind I was also starting to give up !!!!

I always try to be as honest to my own feelings as possible when I write about the show, and unfortunately, this is how I feel about Ranveer and Neha. Just think of it as yet another "different perspective." 😊 It may seem pessimistic in the present, but I think it might work out better for both of them in the long run if they separate. The thing is, I don't see this as a tragic ending for Neha at all, if this is what she needs to be happy.

I agree with you that Sona is being both right and wrong in here . She always saw her family discussing the problems to each other ,finding a solution , there was nothing personal there even if it is love life of their daughter or job of their kids everything was out in open . So here everyone giving upon Neha-Ranveer's relationship or not taking any efforts to solve it was freaking her out which made her visit Ranveer's house . Frankly that is a logical step any family would take in these situation , but it was not her place , I wished it was either Ishwari or Mamaji who had done that .

As much as I hate the line "Sonakshi you would not understand" , I believe there is some truth in it . When she enjoyed that blissful feeling of waking up to her love ,she wished for the same for Neha too, but she doesn't realize what makes her happy and content may not be the same for everyone . She didn't have that scars that remind her off her bitter pasts which did not make her believe in fairy tales but ugly truth of life ... This applies to lot of us too , when we judge people or characters here and preach about "righteousness" , we should also realize we may not be really able to comprehend the situation completely given the fact that we haven't gone through the circumstances these characters had , and human behavior is not as simple as we think it is ...

Absolutely! We tend to judge other people when we impose our standards and beliefs on them, which to them, might be totally arbitrary. Honestly, at first, I also used to get annoyed when Ishwari said nobody knew Neha better than her, but as the episodes went on, and Ranveer behaved the way he did with the false accusation against Neha, I am beginning to understand that it is true to a large extent. What Ishwari knows is that despite all of Neha's bluster and cynicism, she is an extremely mature and sorted person, and a fighter at heart; she would not have left her sasural unless she felt there was no other path open to her. Ranveer did the one thing that was a strict deal breaker -- he took Neha for granted. Deep down, I honestly don't know if Ranveer ever understood Neha's issues. I think he admired what she had done for her family and assumed she would do the same for his... exactly the opposite of what Neha wanted for herself. Ishwari knew once she came home, that any effort at reconciliation, if it were to succeed would have to come from Neha herself.

The sad irony here is that Ishwari, who knows Neha inside out has no inclination to do anything about it because it exposes her flaws as a mother to be so helpless. Sona, who is eager to take initiative, on the other hand, doesn't know the situation well enough to help in productive ways. Instead of trying to liase between Neha and Ranveer's family when she didn't have all the information or support, she could have done a lot more good just by continuing to talk to Neha, and really listening to her side. She actually had Neha open up to her, which is huge for Neha, but she cancelled the effect by presuming she understood the whole situation from that one converstation, and acting on the basis of those assumptions.

About Ishwari ,I don't believe the change in her is just a distraction due to Neha , among all the characters in the show she is going through the worst phase I believe . Given the recent turn of events, she is living her worst nightmare of a failed mother . I am not getting into it now, as I have lots to say.

Now its impossible not to compare both the separations. What you said about trust and betrayal is so true . But didn't it happen with Dev , Sona as well . Sona had the utmost trust that whatever hurdles they might had to face in their relationship Dev would be with her. In her own words he was the most important person in her life who had the power to hurt her the most. So when he failed to take a stand for their love , and was ready to break those promises , she was shattered and felt betrayed !!! Dev was always fascinated by Sona's ability to understand people and handle the situations with maturity .During break-up he knew what he was doing was wrong , but I believe somewhere in his mind he had more trust in their love and expected Sona to fathom his feelings ! For him it was not giving upon her , but an immediate damage control . That's why he was freaking out and turned to a psycho when he found out Sona is moving on with some one else . Both of them had seen each others worst during separation , if Dev thought Sona was trying to hurt him where it hurts the most by deciding to marry Rithvik , Sona was seeing a psycho Dev who stalks her and creating more and more troubles for her by interfering in her and Rithvik's life . And even messier was the equation between two families specially Ishwari and Bejoy . When Dev-Sona separation happened what disturbed me the most was even if they could patch up and love again, will they get their trust back. I know they are not there yet , but the way they are showing the progress in their relationship after marriage is making me believe that love and time may heal even the deepest wounds ... I don't know if I am being foolishly optimistic, but I still have hopes for Neha-Ranveer as I believe they hit the rock bottom now and it can't get any worse than this.

Of course there was an element of trust and betrayal in Sona and Dev's break-up, but what I pointed out specifically about Ranveer and Neha is that they trusted the other to make up for something important that they had compromised in order to be with each other. That sets a relationship up for failure, because of the impossible expectations. In Dev and Sona's case, they betrayed the bond between them, and the promises they had made to each other, but they didn't betray each other's identity. A comparable situation would be if Dev loved Sona but wanted a wife who didn't work, and Sona loved Dev but believed that both parties should live away from their families upon marriage. While I see Ranveer and Neha at such an impasse, it's not the case with Dev-Sona: Dev loves Sona's independence, and is proud of her professional succes, and Sona understands how inextricable Dev is from his family, especially his mom. I see/saw love between Neha and Ranveer but not that understanding and acceptance.

Now as much as I love to see Neha and Ranveer repent their actions and look at situations with more maturity, I really don't want a divorce to happen like in Zaroon's sister in ZGH . Dev may be able to find a better guy for Neha , who would try to give Neha everything she wants , but most of her identity will be associated as Dev Dixit's sister . I had posted it earlier , for Neha, Ranveer may be the first guy who was close to her in the outside world but for Ranveer she is not the first girl he met , yet he fell for this illiterate girl with flaws and was ready to compromise even his self respect to start a life with her . And I still believe he can make her come out of the past and give her the confidence to face the world and rediscover herself ... I would want to see that Neha more than anything ...

@bold: But why should it be about a better/another guy at all? And how can Ranveer, who still thinks of her battle with her insecurities as "zidh," help her? The best way for Neha to come out of the Dev's shadow is to make her identity as something other than Dev Dixit's sister, to realise that there are options other than marriage open to her. With their money and her intelligence and resilience, she can do anything she wants. All she needs is a little moral support to overcome the fear of stepping out into the world. When she wanted to learn English, Neha was scared and lashed out at Dev when he hired Ranveer without her knowledge. It was Sona who pacified her, told her there was no shame in not knowing English, but that she should try and learn if it meant something to her. She needs that push, but it is something she got neither from her family, nor from Ranveer. They have been married months now, but rather than encourage her to expand her horizons, Ranveer is more than happy with a housewife, who lives within his budget and never complains. If he were going to give her confidence, he should have made a start by now! I have nothing against Ranveer persay, I just don't think he's inclined to give Neha what she really needs.

If a separation/divorce allows Neha's family to see how much she needs them, and to show her that someone is thinking of her, supporting her unconditionally, then I am all for it! If they find some way to convince me that Ranveer and Neha are actually right for each other, and they figure out a new, and more sustainable way to make their marriage work, I'm all for that too (but it's harder to imagine).


PS: Loved your response, and this discussion! 😃
Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: SandyAquarium



Agree with Sandhya as reality is harsher for couples from different classes in real life, especially when the girl marries down and has to live in conditions and without amenities she is used to; where as a guy marrying a girl belonging to a lower class doesn't have to endure this as he doesn't have to compromise his lifestyle.

But I agree with you about better communication and familial support for Neha-Ranveer marriage to have worked.


Oh definitely, no arguments on that. Handling class difference, especially when you are the girl, shuttling between your maika and sasural, is incredibly difficult. Add to that all the stupid rules about men's pride being hurt when their wife has other sources of income, and you have quite a huge mess. That said, the only chance you have to make it work is to be brutally honest with yourself about these differences. You can't expect one or the other partner to ignore them, or pretend they're not there... that is the recipe for disaster!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sandyaramesh


When I say doomed, I was talking purely from reality point of view and not the show.Igniting kind of Romance lasts only that long in any. relationship...I mean even in the best of relationships. Following the initial high, romance combined with daily life will never be what it was during the initial phase of a relationship and the shine continues to take a hit as time goes by. That is life. I am not saying you love the person any less but you find less and less time to romance the woman/man you love.

You are right, honest communication is the key to a successful marriage but in dev's words "jab paison ki tango hota hai na tab" love tends to become mundane because you are caught up in the survival game.

In no way am I saying Neha is all wrong and Ranveer is right or the other way round.

I won't claim to be an expert on how a marraige would turn out when a girl from a rich family marries a guy from many classes below but I have seen one fail spectacularly and so am a sceptic when it comes to such alliances.


I was also talking from the perspective of reality, and I agree completely that the initial romance and honeymoon phase is fleeting. But what I meant when I said Ranveer should give Neha the romance she wants, is that he should take time and effort to give her those moments that lift her beyond the day-to-day, so that she can face it with renewed energy. For Neha, this was as simple as panipuri or a movie date, just for the two of them, but it seems that is precisely what Ranveer presumably stopped doing. Their life became just a day to day drudge, and Neha was horrified to find herself in that position yet again.

I am no expert either, and honestly, as my initial post indicates, I don't see much hope for Neha and Ranveer's marriage at the moment. What I was trying to say in my response to you was that their relationship, despite being against the odds, had a chance to succeed given certain conditions that were not met because neither Neha nor Ranveer was totally honest, with each other or themselves.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sam, honestly saying this love u for your thought provoking posts dear. Wonderful writing yaar.
Coming to Neha-Ranveer, I think the worst that can happen is over and now i think there is only one way that is going up. I cant compare Dev-Sona's journey to Neha-Ranveer's journey because N-R never traveled the path that D-S traveled and also they never had sufficient time to understand the good & bad sides of each other before jumping in to marriage. All this current mess is a result of the same.

When Dev compared his break-up state with Ranveer, he was actually true that even though he left Sona for his mother, Its not that he erased her from his life, he was dying million deaths each second and it was very visible for others which he was not able to see in Ranveer. When Sona jumped in to new relation with Ritwik, Its not that her love for Dev ended, she was fighting with her own-self and wanted to show that if Dev can remove her from his life just like that then she also can move on from this relation just like that. Both of them failed miserably thats when they understood just by saying break-up & move-on their love for each other wont end.

Even in Sona-Neha convo, i think Sona saw her self in Neha when Neha keep on saying R doesn't love me. I feel this is the exact reason why Sona is not able to stay away from this mess even after listening "Stay away from Neha case" repeatedly from Dev & Ishwari. The path what N-R want to choose is already traveled by D-S, She very well know that other than pain & dying million deaths every sec there is nothing in that journey. She is seeing these 2 stupidly choosing that same path which she can never even wish for her enemy, here these 2 are family. How can she sit silently unaffected.

I am not surprised with Dev's action towards Ranveer and i feel he is right in his place. He is always like that only, protective towards his family. He is the same guy who didn't thought for a sec before removing sona from her job for rejecting his offer. Looks like, He actually gave lot of time to ranveer may be R is his family now and Sona is no one that time. Dev is not any HERO and Sona is not any SAINT, So i was never surprised with their actions. As Dev said, Sona need to come out from her fairy tale land ASAP if she wants to handle this mad dixit clan. A person's basic characteristics wont change over night just by falling in love with someone.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I shall type up a single reply and paste on a few posts that have caught my attention.

Apologies for haphazard thoughts

Shall we deal with Devakshi Boxit first? Lovely scenes... all so natural... cute shararats, morning breath and sincere hugs. I was always of the opinion that the SR HAD to be done before this relationship moves ahead. Not because after the SR Sona will have Dev tightly wrapped round her finger... No, the consummation had to happen because, they HADN'T had anything physical interaction before the wedding (I was wrong here. I had been of the opinion (from inference only) they had kissed and had had some physical interaction before the break-up/post proposal... How was I proved wrong? The ease with which Sonanksi Bose and Dev Dixit started moving towards becoming Devakshi Boxit proved that the sexual tension had dissipated post SR). Why I think it was important? Because of what Dev said that day over their coffee date - They became GF/BF to man and wife way too quickly. Yes, the patch-up was very fast. It had to be... else they would have broken-up never to be brought back together again. So there was awkwardness. You see, they never went on too many dates etc before the break-up. Mind you, their courtship was hardly a few weeks..Thank You Sona for sorting that one thing (SR) out for Devakshi... You have other bigger fish to fry now. You guys are now talking. Dev is still love-sick but not s3x hungry... You can have relaxed Scooty, coffee and breakfast dates'. You guys are back to being friends first spouses later

Just a small note on dadi bua = Thank you (NOT!) for helping transform Miss Bose into Mrs Dixit. Your taunts, your body language all scared the $hit out of Miss Bose... She got so subdued/petrified (of losing her love to his greatest fear) thanks to the wedding dramas, that it's taken her weeks (My calculations show they got married about 4 days before Navrati and its Diwali now - so they have been married for about a month now) to morph back into Miss Bose. Dev fell in love with Miss Bose, not with Mrs Dixit. She has finally stopped reminding her husband that its mrs dixit for you'. You see, this is what Big Fat Weddings do... Devakshi, you guys are fine... You have your differences, you have some big challenges in your circumstances to deal with, however, you guys are married to the person you loved... Sonakshi lost some battles but is winning the war.

Neha and Ranvir on the other hand, had to morph into someone they both hadn't fallen in love with. Seen some posts on this. I can't make up mind on whether Ranvir is a self-respecting man or a ghamandi husband who isn't choosing his battles in his attempt to save his marriage. I can clearly see what is the issue with Neha (except that I still can't fathom if something happened the night Neha walked out of that house that we are yet to be made aware of). Part of me agrees with the viewers who think that the Neha-Ranvir ship has sailed... there is too much collateral damage to this relationship for it to be mended. Now, Dev needs to take a leaf out of Ishwari's book when it comes to wooing the guy back to Neha. Dev, you probably don't know, your mother went to the Boses and jholi falo-ed in front of them to get you the toy you wanted/your lost love. You only went to Miss Bose once with your stupid flowers... Mummy went there twice, was begging on your behalf (she had her own hidden agendas, but so do you in case of Neha) and was ready to go again and again. You on the other hand Dev did a lot of damage with Ranvir. Who has now done further damage - one that I think is beyond repair... Dev snatching Ranvir's job... Here is where I open a discussion with my fellow forum-wasis... I think we have seen a different shade of this power flaunting avatar of Dev with Dr Bose and Ritwick. What Dev Dixit was doing with Ritwick wasn't an attempt to discourage Ritwick. It was a (successful) attempt of keeping Sonakshi's attention on Dev... What Dev Dixit did with Dr Bose was drive her down to accept his job offer by eliminating all other job options for her. What Dev Dixit has done with Ranvir (does Ranvir's brother work for charity for Indian Defence?) is not the same. In my opinion (and I know it will differ from a lot of you and I am in no way defending Dev Dixit), what Dev did to Ranvir isn't as disgusting as what Ranvir has done to neha. Also, I don't think what Dev did to Ranvir by taking his job away is as dangerous as what Dev did to Ranvir by mentioning lawyers. Ranvir has made this nasty... I don't know what Neha did in her in-laws house, but, the legal letter to Neha from Ranvir can get her into big trouble. BUT... Dev can easily fix Ranvir's job and Neha's legal problems. What he cannot fix (without learning from his mother) is the words he used in Ranvir's office. That was out of character. Dev uses his money and power to arm-twist people only to the extent where money can fix the problem. He isn't nasty with his words. Sonakshi is rightly confused because she thinks her husband is still not looking at alternatives - i.e. talk to Ranvir and his family. Sona's visit to his Bhabhi have wrongly sent Ranvir down a downward spiral because he now thinks these Dixits are playing games with him. The viewers in us should remind ourselves of the conversation Dev & Sona had when Ranvir wasn't taking the flat that Dev was offering him before the wedding. Dev asked Sona to put herself in Dev's shoes. Sona asked Dev to put himself in Ranvir's shoes. Neither of them could do it. They are still the same. Sona is again petrified of her love. She is 1. Frustrated that people are still not discussing the issue (and not Ranvir's Bhabhi is being unreasonable too) and 2. she has been able to put herself in Ranvir's shoes and all the what ifs must play in her mind. Dev is acting like some kind of mafia as far as Ranvir's point of view is concerned... Enough said

Mamiji - You did Devakshi a big favour. No not the care you showed to Sona. But by that loud cough you did when Sona hugged Dev beech bazar main (they weren't even in their front garden.. they were on the road outside Ishawri Niwas)... that as usual, brought Devakshi in the open.. I like it when you do such things. Sona, what happened there? Your husband wants to romance chup chup ke. It was cute though

Now, Ishu ma... Supriya ji... award leeye bina manoge nahi aap... Kya acting kee hai...

I agree with the analysis of most viewers. Her bhramastra (guilt) wasn't used to its 100% efficiency this time. This time she used it subtly. Partly because her attention is diverted and partly because she now knows Dev is also a husband to a nice girl... A girl who takes care of him and his family like her own. Ishwari needs to however also take a leaf out of Dev's book... You just call out Dev and he will come down to go to the temple with you. He was disappointed at so many levels that moment in the bedroom with his injured wife sleeping in his lap. He was disappointed that his mother is still insecure about his wife who is such a content little girl at heart. All she needs is a hug... no drama... changes into her nightdress and goes off to sleep without taking her husband down a guilt trip. Disappointed that his mum doesn't realise that things have changed but they can still carry on with their little routines... Disappointed that his mum can't see how happy he is with this girl and all mum needs to do is call him... (Did you guys notice Dev didn't leave Sona for a minute when they were bursting crackers...)

PS: Shaheer - please change your glasses... I know I sound like a broken record... they are immensely unflattering

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