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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ishwari didn't create any issues today because Dev was confident. Even when everyone was teasing him, he replied without any guilt or apology or shame in his voice. That's why Ishwari could not say anything.

That's what I was saying all along. She takes her clues from him and that's why I kept urging Dev to stop his guilt complex.

That's exactly what Ishwari used in precap. She made him guilty for living his life and for being happy.

Ishwari is powerless without Dev's guilt over his past. She feeds on it just like bullies feed on their victims' fear.



Originally posted by: dlavanya

So IShwari doesnt really know who lied ... she is thinking it was Dev ... but who cares..i am glad she showed some decency and not question them when they arrived in the morning... may be cacause everyone was around. afterall she needs keep her Noble woman image intact.

Did you see looks like Ishwari uses two strategies to stop the HM
from precap, we see Dev and Ishwari wearing different clothes from what we saw in the segment where decide was about to leave for his HM and he cancels it

SO looks like first she will use Neha as the bait... So Dev may say I wont go as it wont look good and Neha will be upset ... If I guess it right, Neha will come and ask them not to cancel their trip and ask them to go ahead.. So they will continue to the day of the trip

Then tada,, looks like Ishu faints just when they are about to leave... that will force Dev to cancel ...
seriously Ishwari needs treatment or counselling or atleast someone who can constantly show her mirror when ever she starts taking this route..

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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But this family, responsibilities and guilt is like a vicious cycle for Dev... How can he get out of it when ishwari is constantly pulling him back deeper and deeper...it is very difficult for Dev alone to do it... may be this is where Sona comes in handy... instead of not enjoying life because of the guilt , she will probably teach him how to handle the situations and come out of the troubles instead of feeling guilty and sitting at the feet of his mother and not doing anything. it must be interesting to watch how this will be done...

Originally posted by: tia.o

Ishwari didn't create any issues today because Dev was confident. Even when everyone was teasing him, he replied without any guilt or apology or shame in his voice. That's why Ishwari could not say anything.

That's what I was saying all along. She takes her clues from him and that's why I kept urging Dev to stop his guilt complex.

That's exactly what Ishwari used in precap. She made him guilty for living his life and for being happy.

Ishwari is powerless without Dev's guilt over his past. She feeds on it just like bullies feed on their victims' fear.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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I cant fathom Ishwari's expectations from Dev.. Vicky cant get job based on his qualification, blame Dev, Neha can't go to honeymoon, blame Dev, if no excuses left, Ishwari will be like today it didnt rain, blame Dev ..

OMG, in general guys and even girls too protest from teenage itself when their parents try to convince them to fulfill their dreams by giving vaastaa of how they are giving every facility to them which they themselves didn't get when theu were young etc.. Kids can take emotional blackmails to a certain extent till it doesnt blow them out.. Dev is too kind.. and rightly pointed out by you Tia - if his wealth is distributed amongst everyone which is not even fair, what's the problem in telling other kids to take care of their OWN life !! This is not even something which Dev is undeservingly asking them to (he doesnt ask, but if he does).. when Dev wanted to poke his brotherly nose in Neha Ranveer marriage, he was shut up bt this same lady.. why doesn't Dev tell this to Maa that now they all created this mess ignoring his suggestion and he is expected to clear the mess ?


Such a cunning lady she is.. always uses other's reasons to make Dev take a guilt-trip whereas the root reason she herself knows very well - her baccha is going away to someone else, which she cant allow to happen at any cost..


I am sure her fainting is a drama to stop them from going to Honeymoon and Sona being a doctor and intelligent woman, is going to catch this very soon..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Yep. Guilt is Ishwari's weapon of choice and her handcuffs are their past. She uses Dev's guilt to whip him into shape while keeping him tied in place with their past so that he can't escape until he does what she says.

Sona can only get the complete Dev when he will be free of his guilt. He can never be free of his past because that's his memory. But he has to be able to accept it and move past it to lose its hold over him.

There are only two options when it comes to bad experiences, you can either let it cripple you by being a victim and let it be your crutch or you can wear it like a medal and live the rest of your life as a survivor who won the battle!!!

Trust me, I am speaking from personal experience. My mother and I went through a very tough time. We fought and struggled and made our life the way it is now. I'm also the daughter of a single mother. So I know the struggle and hardship a single parent faces.

But we did not let life defeat us. We grabbed the life by throat and took our dues. My mother is now looking forward to her retirement when she can move to Canada with me and I have a happy life with a great guy who never even lived with his parents since he was 18 years old, but was willing to do anything to make me happy including doing his best to bring my mother to Canada and take all her responsibilities with me.

Dev can have next 40-50 years of extremely happy life compared to about 10 years of struggle. But if he continues to let his past pull him back, he will not be happy in his present and will have no future left.


Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

I cant fathom Ishwari's expectations from Dev.. Vicky cant get job based on his qualification, blame Dev, Neha can't go to honeymoon, blame Dev, if no excuses left, Ishwari will be like today it didnt rain, blame Dev ..

OMG, in general guys and even girls too protest from teenage itself when their parents try to convince them to fulfill their dreams by giving vaastaa of how they are giving every facility to them which they themselves didn't get when theu were young etc.. Kids can take emotional blackmails to a certain extent till it doesnt blow them out.. Dev is too kind.. and rightly pointed out by you Tia - if his wealth is distributed amongst everyone which is not even fair, what's the problem in telling other kids to take care of their OWN life !! This is not even something which Dev is undeservingly asking them to (he doesnt ask, but if he does).. when Dev wanted to poke his brotherly nose in Neha Ranveer marriage, he was shut up bt this same lady.. why doesn't Dev tell this to Maa that now they all created this mess ignoring his suggestion and he is expected to clear the mess ?


Such a cunning lady she is.. always uses other's reasons to make Dev take a guilt-trip whereas the root reason she herself knows very well - her baccha is going away to someone else, which she cant allow to happen at any cost..


I am sure her fainting is a drama to stop them from going to Honeymoon and Sona being a doctor and intelligent woman, is going to catch this very soon..

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

I was discussing Balance since yesterday. Today's episode is a lesson on what happens when balance is maintained and lost.


Balance - http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4736226

Balance: Part 2 - http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4736858

First of all, note my suggestion to Sona on the first post. She chose a weak ally.

Not once Riya admitted that she booked the resort for Sona and Dev and helped her plan a surprise for Dev.

Even oblivious Riya knows that her mother is mentally imbalanced.

Also note: I mentioned that Sona should have taken bold Nikki into confidence. The moment she got Sona's text, she chirped the news to everyone.

If you want to win a battle, Sona, it's very important to choose the right ally.

Dev and Sona won the small battle by stealing a night from the miser Ishwari who wants to have list of every second of Dev's life. But the bigger storm were brewing in the background.

When they came back and Dev announced honeymoon plans, everyone was happy for him except four people -

Radha and Vicky, because they hate Sona.

Ishwari because she can't demand to go on a honeymoon.

And Neha, because she wants to do all that with her husband but her husband doesn't have money.

Ishwari showed her ace when she used Neha to get her way. Ishwari never uses her issues. She always uses her children and family to make Dev dance to her tune.

Today Dev showed excellent balance by spending time with both his mother and wife.

But Ishwari still takes examples from Dev's childhood for comparison purposes. When a child goes away from his parents, it's scary because they are children and vulnerable. But it's different for adults.

It's like saying, I used to change my child's diaper when he was a baby but he doesn't let me do it anymore.

Yes, that comparison is as ridiculous sounding as this.

It's not that Dev has never gone to business trips, but the difference is that he has never gone with someone he loves. Before he was guaranteed to not have fun alone in a hotel room and now fun is guaranteed. But the problem is not going away, the problem is him enjoying his outing.

Sona never asked nor demanded Ishwari's place. She very happily adjusted to her own place. However in a family when one person becomes unbalanced, every other relationship loses balance.

So Dev, since you learned to keep balance, maintain that (although precap suggests otherwise) and now you have to start putting the players into their rightful places.

First step is to make your mother stop making you feel guilty.

Ishwari says in precap: Don't you think talking about your honeymoon will make Neha feel bad? She also must want to go to honeymoon?

Me: Ishwari, here's some points for you to consider.

1. We are all very liberal people. But we are still not liberal enough to send a sister on a honeymoon with her brother.

So speaking to the brother about his sister's wish for a honeymoon doesn't help.

Instead, why don't you come up with a solution to make your daughter's wish come true?

First step to that is to send the said daughter to her husband so that she can go to her honeymoon or you all can also go on a trip together (far far away from Paris or even Europe), since money is no objection so that you can also talk about your trip. Sounds like an easier solution, isn't it?

Your logic makes as much sense as telling a married couple to not have children or discuss about their children because their widowed aunt wanted kids but doesn't have any. Doesn't cut through any logic whatsoever.

2. You keep making Dev guilty for any moment of happiness he tries to get. But why don't you tell your daughter that she should have stayed in her husband's home so that Dev doesn't feel uncomfortable watching her moping around?

You want to distribute Dev's wealth he earned between your children which they don't deserve, then why not distribute the guilt equally as well which Dev doesn't deserve?

Dev, see your mother's unfairness and recognise it before you ruin the fragile balance you managed to build.

And if it's impossible for you, then take the advice from Balance: Part 2 and let an unbiased and fair person handle the wheel.



Awesome post! Somehow I always feel that Dev is also responsible to make his mother this way. I have had a pretty independent life style and it is beyond my imagination to see a mothe feeding an adult child by her hands ! Also, shouldn't she stop the blatant PDA of her love for Dev when Neha is so depressed and pay similar attention to her as well. did she ever ask Neha if she should make something special for her instead of stalking Dev all the time ? Neha really needs some emotional support at this time and amma dear is busy competing with the Daughter inlaw and sulking !
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Yep. I never seen Ishwari pampering Neha. All her focus is on what is Dev doing, where is he, what is he eating.

Even when she was frantically calling Dev, all other family member was there except Neha. Not once she went to Neha's room, sit down with her or talked to her.

Nope. She has absolutely zero concern for Neha.

Originally posted by: baijubavra


Awesome post! Somehow I always feel that Dev is also responsible to make his mother this way. I have had a pretty independent life style and it is beyond my imagination to see a mothe feeding an adult child by her hands ! Also, shouldn't she stop the blatant PDA of her love for Dev when Neha is so depressed and pay similar attention to her as well. did she ever ask Neha if she should make something special for her instead of stalking Dev all the time ? Neha really needs some emotional support at this time and amma dear is busy competing with the Daughter inlaw and sulking !

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Yep. Guilt is Ishwari's weapon of choice and her handcuffs are their past. She uses Dev's guilt to whip him into shape while keeping him tied in place with their past so that he can't escape until he does what she says.

Sona can only get the complete Dev when he will be free of his guilt. He can never be free of his past because that's his memory. But he has to be able to accept it and move past it to lose its hold over him.

There are only two options when it comes to bad experiences, you can either let it cripple you by being a victim and let it be your crutch or you can wear it like a medal and live the rest of your life as a survivor who won the battle!!!


Dev can have next 40-50 years of extremely happy life compared to about 10 years of struggle. But if he continues to let his past pull him back, he will not be happy in his present and will have no future left.

Tia, i totally agree with you on this. The hardships endured by Dev have shaped him to be what he is now.his hardships are like a box of memories , he has locked them away and is trying to throw away the key. Given the emotional state that he is in, he would NEVER even want to think about them, using them as a crutch is rarity.
In reality, our memories are like those stars in the sky, which when put to good use can becoming our guiding lights. Sona will be his guardian angel in this regard, she will make him realise that memories both good or bad need to be cherished. Good - to remind us how blessed we are to have them and BAD to remind us how strong we are!!!.

For Sona to do this, Dev needs to start trusting her and share his experiences with her.


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