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Siham

@sihu

Voyager

Posted: 17 years ago

#11

Well I have a different POV here.....something like "Been there dont that" stuff....i empathize with Prem..

There was a similar situation a few yrs ago where in this guy had to choose....now this happened in reality and not in any movie or serial....He chose to listen to his parents and of course the girl went thru a bad time emotionally...she of course had her family to support her unlike heer's case.

But that guy got married to who his parents chose continuing to live life under the control of his father more than mother....the problem was the sense of responsibility that they kept drumming into this guy's head.....he was the eldest son...so all that stuff was drilled so deep in his psyche, they made him feel guilty that he could even think of going against them for love. 😭 😭

This really happened...

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PurplePantsuit

@PurplePantsuit

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: sssiham
Well I have a different POV here.....something like "Been there dont that" stuff....i empathize with Prem..

There was a similar situation a few yrs ago where in this guy had to choose....now this happened in reality and not in any movie or serial....

But that guy got married to who his parents chose continuing to live life under the control of his father more than mother....the problem was the sense of responsibility that they kept drumming into this guy's head.

This really happened...

i guess this kinda stuff happens all the time.

i guess what bugged me about prem and heer is that prem had already made this choice. we knew that. heer knew that. what bugs me is what happens beyond this. and i don't know if this happened with the guy in your real world. let me see if i can explain?

with prem and heer, there is a group of people - a "society" - who know them both. this society is conservative and is known to be more strict on how girls behave compared with how boys behave.

prem chooses to make public that he loves heer in this society. and then walks away completely.

i guess my lack of empathy with prem's action comes not from the consequence of loving heer, and choosing not to be with her. that's a personal choice. it comes from the consequence of involving the conservative society in the choice.

prem chose to live a lie by marrying the person of his father's choice. if he was going to do that, why could he then not lie to protect the reputation of the girl he loves? is he naive about how the conservative society will punish the girl he loves?

shouldn't he know that the conservative society tends to put the blame not on the (wealthy) boy - they can't afford to alienate him, of course.

instead the conservative society will blame the poor orphan girl.

shouldn't he have known that the society would blame the girl, even if she hadn't been poor or orphaned?

isn't that mostly what dirtchachi was screaming about, and threatening to kill herself about? that no-one would touch her daughter if prem abandoned her - because this society always tends to blame the girl when it thinks something has gone wrong? and that blame will stick for the rest of her life, and that no-one else will marry her?

this is what i can't empathise with - prem's ignoring the behaviour of the conservative society towards the girl he abandoned.

i guess, my prem will have known better. and if he were going to live a lie, live it better than the prem we saw yesterday, and live it with a smile, even though it was killing him inside. 🥺

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Nupur

@Nupur9

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#13

Prem Hate Mode....Now what's that Estee Mon cheri???

There is and can be no such thing........his charcter is not made to hate or even to dislike........

Yeh ishq nahin asan....humne toh yeh jaana hai......

So mine is not to ask why...mine is just to Love & die...........

that's the mode I am in....Hope I can rub it into you....

Now coming to the real mudda...ie your brilliant synopsis........

Very...very... interesting perspective.........!!!

Here is How I see Prem..........

His finally realizing his love the fullest, and then fighting the ways of the world alone to obtain what he thinks is right for his Lady love....

Paana he toh har Prem kahani ka aant nahi hota.....being his motto!!

He fought all the sources against him for last few days...and with each battle, he became more and more passionate about his cause...

First with father, then with his Lady loves dwindling faith, then himself.....each time, he stepped it up a bit more...willing to do anything to set things right.

But I do see where you are going with your Prem ranting........he is bit bull doggish in his own way........but In retrospect, I think this is the Prem avatar I love the most...!!!!!❤️

OhLaLaLa...MammamMia!!!!!❤️

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PurplePantsuit

@PurplePantsuit

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Nupur9
Prem Hate Mode....
There is and can be no such thing........his charcter is not made to hate or even to dislike........

😆 someone wise (or famous, i forget which) once said that love and hate are two sides of the same coin. when you love that deeply, you can also hate - the very same person - that deeply because you give so much of yourself that it is easy for you to get lost.

i believe it - because i have found it in me to hate prem for something that he did.

nupur, high priestess of prem love, is it ...? is it possible ...? even remotely? that i actually ... seriously, actually! ... might love prem more than ... you??! 😆

Originally posted by: Nupur9

Here is How I see Prem..........

His finally realizing his love the fullest, and then fighting the ways of the world alone to obtain what he thinks is right for his Lady love....

Paana he toh har Prem kahani ka aant nahi hota.....being his motto!!

He fought all the sources against him for last few days...and with each battle, he became more and more passionate about his cause...

First with father, then with his Lady loves dwindling faith, then himself.....each time, he stepped it up a bit more...willing to do anything to set things right.

and then?

what made him stop? what made him turn away his face, never throw a glance back for a single look - is she safe? is she fine? is she happy? why doesn't he want to know? because he is not a god?

i don't think heer wants a god, she just needs a guy who is willing to play the role of a god if that is what it takes to make her happy. in this episode, prem stopped breathing that fire that you so beautifully described above - why? why? why?

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Nupur

@Nupur9

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: estee

😆 someone wise (or famous, i forget which) once said that love and hate are two sides of the same coin. when you love that deeply, you can also hate - the very same person - that deeply because you give so much of yourself that it is easy for you to get lost.
i believe it - because i have found it in me to hate prem for something that he did.

nupur, high priestess of prem love, is it ...? is it possible ...? even remotely? that i actually ... seriously, actually! ... might love prem more than ... you??! 😆
and then?

what made him stop? what made him turn away his face, never throw a glance back for a single look - is she safe? is she fine? is she happy? why doesn't he want to know? because he is not a god?

i don't think heer wants a god, she just needs a guy who is willing to play the role of a god if that is what it takes to make her happy. in this episode, prem stopped breathing that fire that you so beautifully described above - why? why? why?

I think I have missed that part....totally!😊

Having not seen the last few episodes...maybe...just maybe I might humbly bow my head and let you rant and rave....

But only IF.........if..... our Epitome of Love has not stepped up to the high standards he has set for himself!!!

He is on a pedestal.......the perfect archtype of what a "real man should be like......is he doing justice to it......???

We have put our Love....Our Prem on a pedestal, expecting him to live up to an impossible image of perfection, stubbornly refusing to look at his clay feet, until they become too muddy for even us to miss.

When Byron wrote that "Man's love is of man's life a thing apart; 'tis woman's whole existence," he didn't know about Prem and his kind of love......

Isn't he committed to some idealistic cause and angrily defending the underdog.....his Heer......

I am still being optimistic......still hopeful........

After all, "tomorrow is another day."....Scarlett O Hara Style!!!!

Edited by Nupur9 - 17 years ago

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Nupur

@Nupur9

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: estee

Can You Love Prem more than me........???

Can you love the Rose more than it's khusboo...???❤️

Can you Love Chandni more than the chand.........???❤️

Can you love Roshni more than the light.........???❤️

And can You love Life more than Life itself......???❤️

Can you? Can you?? Can you???

I herby rest my case!!!😊

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-Faith-

@-Faith-

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 17 years ago

#17

Oho *slaps forehead*
How cud I miss this post...
Esteee do I love ur analysis and takes or what👏
Nupu jeeeeeee no one can win with u😉.. You are Prem Pujaran No.1 all the way😃😆
Rakshoo how cute is ur waiting for Prem things hehehe

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Nupur

@Nupur9

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: -Faith-
Oho *slaps forehead*
How cud I miss this post...
Esteee do I love ur analysis and takes or what👏
Nupu jeeeeeee no one can win with u😉.. You are Prem Pujaran No.1 all the way😃😆
Rakshoo how cute is ur waiting for Prem things hehehe

So true Z........

Estee gets your adrenaline running....pumping on high gear with her ultra cool nazar ki parakh.......😊

I so love reading her oh-so-hoity-toity take on the episodes....😛😆

She is the bestest in this category!!! Mwwwwwwwwwwwwww Love you!!!!

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PurplePantsuit

@PurplePantsuit

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Nupur9
Can You Love Prem more than me........???

Can you love the Rose more than it's khusboo...???❤️

Can you Love Chandni more than the chand.........???❤️

Can you love Roshni more than the light.........???❤️

And can You love Life more than Life itself......???❤️

Can you? Can you?? Can you???

I herby rest my case!!!😊

ah, i have come in front of the high priestess and challenged her. a mere mortal, whose most loft desire is to be called upon whenever there is a need to button prem's white shirt for him.

priestess, i have
not your golden vision,
nor your silken poetry,
nor your fiery drive,
nor your blythe spirit,
nor your smouldering words,
nor your potent potions.

mere mortal am i.

i can merely stand
in front of the man on the pedestal,
hold my head up and high,
with mortal offerings of
the force of conviction in my look,
the stolid belief in my heart,
an unwavering hope in my soul,
that there is a hero who is true and pure,
until the sweat off my brow,
and the tears off my unflinching gaze,
all collect and fall
to wash away the mud away
to show the world
that those feet are not, not, not of clay
but of the purest marble that ever sprang from the earth.

after all, mere mortal am i. 😆

but it's strange that you bring up a rose: some episodes ago, i was so astounded by the depth of the prem character, that it struck me that he is a rose - layers of velvety richness hiding more layers of velvety richness. 😆

it's really good to have you back, high priestess. 😆

and my mom's going to kill me for being on the net at this hour!

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Nupur

@Nupur9

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#20

A Red Rose ........Oh Yes....A Red Rose......He is that and so is my Love!!!

O my Love's like a red, red rose.....
That's newly sprung in June......
O my Love's like the melodie......
That's sweetly played in his tune....

As wonderful as you are my dear Prem....
So deep in luve am I....
And I will love you still, my dear,
Till the seas gang dry.....

Till the seas gang dry, my dear.....
And the rocks melt with the sun....
I will luve you still, my dear.....
While the Dhadkan of my life shall run!!!

~NUPUR~

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