20 oct: big things, little things, wfp = 9 days

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is really early here. couldn't sleep cause my side hurts - thank goodness for painkillers! but then couldn't go back to sleep cause of .. uh.. okay.. prem things. since my health-gaurds are still gently snoring, i sneaked in here - mostly to vent. but i bet you wont be able to guess who am most angry with.

am playing catch up with last week as well and wanted to put the really big things down:

* photography thing: gosh, desparately loved heer-in-deep-red against everything else in b&w! that entire sequence was brilliant. and this is one thing that has been continually brilliant in this show - i hope these photographers are getting paid well... another one that i loved was heer-in-blue when prem's birthday wish tape comes on. omg! a moment when prem says wait, and there is a shot of heer's feet gentling into stillness. when prem says "today im prem juneja, youre heer maan, tomorrow we are prem, you will take my name" and there's a shot of heer hugging the edge of the door/window-shutter, her face lit by secret smiles and desires, and then a shot of her hand slowly going up the wood... something just melted down inside me... beautiful..

* ag thing: omg! she is brilliant! i keep wondering whether it is that there is less prem and so she gets more things to say, more time to shine. but then i realised that there's been a hell of a lot of prem this last week anyway - and that he still has most of the dialogues. but ag! it's just her face and her eyes and very little voice and - oh, she is incredible! i've always thought that she is terrific at playing heer - just the right mix of mind-numbingly meek&mild and fiesty-with-prem. but now?

for me, the highlight of the entire show so far has now become that moment in heer's room when lalit juneja is persuaded to call her down to attend the funeral ceremonies: that scene was unspeakably moving. the best thing: how just before, heer had been madly scrambling the wood off the pyre and shouting - full throated at him to get up! and now she stands - body and backbone ramrod straight, eyes open wide and staring - as if shutting them would be the same as letting down the gaurd to keep the world out of her head - the knowledge that she will not admit - as much as we will not admit it! - that prem is not there.

* big thing: it was what she said then that re-kindled the slow fire of anger in me. i'd said in my last wtf that that stooopid prem-last-scene was like we were being presented with prem being faced with a choice - live life happily but also with fear that he may not always have heer, or die now giving up on both the sorrow and the joy? well, i fiercely loved what heer said in answer to lalit juneja's "but he didn't have a choice". she said: "so, prem has the right to make promises, but not the ability to fulfil them? prem said he would live life with me, but not the ability to come and fulfil that vow?" and i got mad at prem. very very slowly. but surely. i am angry with prem.

* little thing: who else laughed suddenly through tears when heer waved her hand grandly and said: "go downstairs bauji, you're not well"!!!! 🤣 although she was her typically sweet-contrite self when she immediately after said: "if i made you cry, i'm sorry." heer! so badly wanted to wrap her and take her away from that ridiculous family and even all memories of prem! dang the guy!

* little thing: another courier guy with attitude! someone is a fan of courier guys in this show... 😆

* big thing: my anger exploded into a full-blown one in that insane, violence-filled lalit juneja-preet scene. at first, the anger was at the standard lalit juneja trick of finding someone else to shoulder the responsibility. poor darling preet. who already took on the responsibility of his mother. and his bhabhi. now has to face the lalit juneja need to dump on someone. 😭 poor poor darling preet. so badly want to see that smile of his again...

but it took me less than one minute to shift the focus of my anger: this was all actually prem's fault! prem, the perfect son. who has always stolidly taken whatever nonsense that lalit juneja has dumped on his head. who has been the wall behind which everyone has sheltered to do their own thing. it's prem's fault that preet is still such a baby. that harman is so insensitive to little things. that lalit juneja thinks that his old-fashioned cavalier attitude is justified. that gayatri-mom is lying comatose in grief. it's all his fault. it is! 😡

and did he mean to be at heers singing party - even if he was alive? hed better have been - wouldve been a really mean thing to do otherwise? (and gee, what a boorish clientele that fancy restaurant have! never seen such ill-mannered people before in my life! 😡 more anger building up...)

and my anger became as much of a furnace as the fire prem is sitting in, when i saw yesterday's show: what the heck is he going on about?? begging forgiveness from his parents? still giving orders to his siblings? and then! of course! the last unforgiveable act! giving orders to heer!! wha........?!!! (good thing exclamation marks are on the left side of the keyboard.. else this would have taken a really long time to write... 😆)

and i remember the last time he talked of "comfortable lives with others" and "having children" etc - that was the night before his wedding to sahlesha. and i remember thinking that he was such a bull-poooper at that point. and that's what i thought again yesterday -- man, what a load of bullpoop! giving orders to his soulmate to go out and have children with others... and i remember being in the craziness of the crash, and coming back to a painful world of confusion and mayhem. and a total sense of zero control over anything at all.. and never once did i think "oh, my mom. what'll she do without me? i wish you'll go out and adopt a kid to replace me, and have fun with." really! 😡 that was a totally unreal thing for prem to have said. and i'm waiting for them to damn well take it back!

* hc thing: did anyone else get the sense that hc is "out of prem"? anyone else get the idea that he is now in the mind and heart of another character? 😕 i did. and that character is not stolid or stoic or intense or focussed like prem is? that character laughs and acts cute. no one else got that? and the place that was most strong was in the prem-heer flashback where she is telling him of her fear of singing in front of a crowd: the way he stood back against the door, the way he reacted to her asking him what he meant... it was ... *sigh* kinda not prem.. maybe it's just me. but hc made me miss prem. prem was there... but not there.

* prem thing: but prem did come back in two places! 1. when he leaned in against the door into heer and his gaze locked onto her ... uh ... um... 'kay... lips. 😆 2. dancing in the rain, when their faces are close, both heer and prem are smiling at each other - wait! khushi's got this one up! here!


http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1062487

aaaaaaiiiiiiiiieeeeeeee!!!!! *need to focus - have already lost too much of my life passed out recently to want to do more of that. but man! this is soooooo much a better thing to pass out on than a head wound! 😆*

and of course, the quintissential prem thing -- a little water fall off the point of that perfect hc-jawline in the rain. *man, i hate prem!*


from the same url source as above...

(hey! this is only to demonstrate the jawline waterfall - not the kiss. not the peace on his face. not the smile on hers.. kay?? *sigh* why don't you people just believe me??*)

* prem thing: prem talks too much! i remember thinking that first when prem confesses his love to heer -- even then, even though all the lines were sooo very beautiful, i thought - man, this guy talks a lot! draw a breath, guy! seriously, i love the hc voice but prem does go on and on and on sometimes, doesn't he?? definitely the lalit juneja part in him showing up! 😆 and did i actually hear hc turning pages at some point?? 🤣 those monologues are unnatural... seriously...

* preet thing: his name is sushant singh and he is very good! when preet was under attack (there's no other way to put it 😡) and then after, when kul-di's asking him to look at her, that lalit juneja loves him, ... that scene with the siblings was terrific.

* big thing: did anyone else think that - for all that the performances were so brilliant - the misery got drawn out a little too long?

* little thing: uh... just how did the dvd-guy know where to bring the "last dvd of prem"? 🤣

* big thing: this show is terrific! i've had the chance to see some of the other stuff on tv. and honestly, even though they are produced much better 😭 the story and - most importantly - the characters are ridiculous. hmmm. kay, more ridiculous than this show has. 😆 and definitely more tired and more boring. this show rocks.

and i'm w&w to see how they are going to bring prem-heer back together again.. cause we all know. this storys about prem-heer-are-one. wonder what they are going to do next.... ow... this has taken long to type.. my arms aching.. my sides aching... most importantly, i hear the mother stir. she is gonna kill me if she finds me on the machine. let me go fake some r&r. 😆

highlight of watching this show last week? your replies to my post bout my accident! you guys make me bawl more than the show... why are you all so sweet?? am gonna reply to it - soon as mom leaves for univ. 😆

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hope u r doing better with all the pain medication....how long will u have to take it easy? what exactly did u do to urself?? well rest a lot and get well... then you can get back to your busy schedule and start writing ur BTs too, missed those
WFP 9 days.... are you counting all of prem appearances these past two weeks or not? i am not sure how you were adding those, but i have been so happy to see the little we have been able to of prem, even though the scenes are short and strangely shot sometimes but i loved them :)

Originally posted by: estee

* ag thing: omg! she is brilliant!

Totally, i think she has learned a lot through the course of the last six months and she has become very accomplished, her potrayal has been heart breaking, I never cry with shows or movies, but heer staring out the window with the determination to catch the first glimpse of prem when he returns, she did a gr8 job....
the scenes have been shot brilliantly as well... and she does seem to say to lalit 'you have gone crazy.. u go look after gaya3, i ll handle prem when he comes back...'
i think she is getting a chance to show more of her acting abilities, i mean prem really took center stage when he was alive, so now it is heers turn

Originally posted by: estee

"so, prem has the right to make promises, but not the ability to fulfil them?

i really like the words that they use, someone is doing a very good job.... about prems death... I dont know what the creatives were trying to show, i dont think they wanted to show prem giving up, i will not believe that prem did not save himself i THINK that he had no choice... regardless of what they show us that is what i will believe, so there... and if that is the case what he is saying makes sense, he is telling a girl who is beginning her life not to waste it just mourning for him, he will always be a part of her but she needs to feel every dhadkan of life for herself, prem has become an afsana and she has to live her life, fulfil his dreams, that includes heer becoming a bride, becoming a mother, I know of a girl who was heart broken by her fiance s death, i mean these things happen in real life too, manna ke she did not have a janam ka rishta with him but she was completely lost after this death, do you think she has to spend the rest of her life like that, mourning him??? she might not get the same love from another guy but she will get a different love as a wife, as a mother.... heer should not be denied these things
Of course if they have heer marrying someone next week or next month, that woould be tasteless... but she has prems blessings to move on with her life... i think this was important

Originally posted by: estee

and did he mean to be at heers singing party - even if he was alive? hed better have been - wouldve been a really mean thing to do otherwise?

dont know what they were thinking there? dancing with him was great but singing by herself .....
also as pointed out by jnawaz 's update, the musicians freakedout and ran when heer started dancing by herself

Originally posted by: estee

* hc thing: did anyone else get the sense that hc is "out of prem"?

i think he was a bit odd in the scenes where he is not supposed to be...ie when heer is imagining him, he seems a little stiff but as it is a spirit thought that was ok, however i liked him in the two flashback scenes, he always had a sense of humor... and he always wanted a chance to kiss heer 😉
i could still see glimpses of prem in the rain scene, so i was completely happy with harshad s acting

Originally posted by: estee

preet thing: his name is sushant singh and he is very good!

yes preet is also doing a gr8 job... he is always there when needed, saving his mother from people in the street, saving heer from the crazy restaurant ppl, the way he said i would die for prem....
started liking the new kul di too, she did a gr8 job yesterday too,
basically they can make this watchable if they dont screw up on some major things, like getting heer married soon... they need to concentrate on veera wedding, there should be enough problems there to focus upon and the weird HMH triangle, seeing how preet, heer and gaya3 cope without prem...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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hey estee how r u even though I am aware of the fact tht ur not in proper health condition I every day used to check if u hav posted any.I am so happy.Let how much miserable it is to watch the show but btlt's bring sum sort of relief and smile on my face
hey even I made a post on issues wid prem here is the link http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1062291
Even I am mad at prem
But I still hav hopes high on heer atleast she wud not compromise in life ahead
Really nice btlt
thnq
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Welcome back...been missing on your posts...One of the few that still think this show is worth watching....😃
I'm not sure that I'm angry with prem.... for some reason, it feels odd thinking of being angry with someone so lovely who died so recently ....but I do agree with you on Prem talking "too much"....He talks in paragraphs not sentences....😆
I have loved every single scene of Heer's last week....She has been very moving...but the highlight for me was her reaction to seeing Prem on the CD yesterdays show... it is very rare to see an actor who is not afraid of going to the extreme...and she really let it all hang out...same with Preet...
It would have been nice to have more Prem-Preet-Heer scenes...there were too few of these....
I'm with you on w&w...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hey Estee. How are you? Are you supposed to typing and stay awake like this. Even though I loved your bt lt (as usual) I think you should take rest. Few things I would like to comment on.
Yes the photography was brilliant - Heer all bridal red and rest of them colourless and dull. It was great symbolism.
Aditi is brilliant. She really has come out own her own. She was brilliant in 14 oct episode and even the last part of yest's part. If HC taught her things, as she claims, then he's a damn fine teacher! Her interaction with Lalit was very good. Esp when she says you go to mom she needs you more.
The whole Prem;s message thing both the b'day and during the blast was weird. I still haven't got it why they wanted to highlight the entire b'day thing in the first place. Like I mentioned in a post before if the creatives wanted to get Heer to move on with life through Prem's message they could have done that last week itself. Why drag the whole mourning and death and include the b'day signing thing. Though I didn't mind see HC in all those scenes esp the one with Heer.
Lalit hitting Preet was brilliantly shown. I mean, I condemn violance but the way they showed a father's angst was very good. But the star in that scene definitely was Preet (his name is Sushan Rajput). His instant realisation that it was bcoz of him that Prem had to go to Delhi makes him accept all the things that's heaped on him. Sushant has always been a good actor. Though he hasn't been given much scope but he has delivered in all the scenes that he has been. Yes, you are right. It's Prem's fault that nobody in the family knows anything. Remember the scene when both Preet and Harman are looking for a file after Prem leaves the house? I guess now the show will focus on how they'll handle everything without Prem.
Seriously, the creatives have shown some really nice and different scenes but one place they failed miserably has been showing the bomb blast. Why doesn't Prem even attempt to get out of that place. Why did he just give up? Why?
And between you and me the Prem leaving message for everybody was done recently. Bcoz if you see the Oct 2 episode then you'll notice that he only says sorry to his mom, dad and heer. he doesn't say anything else. I think the creatives wanted to justify Heer moving ahead in life and also wanted to show a purpose for her being alive.
HC thing. Agree at times I did feel that he wasn't there (right from the blast scene). But you are right he definitely was back in the rain dance scene, when he leans against heer. He was even good in the flashback scene with his brother-in-law. The blast scene was supposed to be his last but he was even shown in today's episode (he comes to wipe Heer's tears). The kiss was good. These guys was some serious chemistry going on between them.
Agreed the show has been good compared to many things shown on TV. But they loose it at many times. And today's episode was one of them. They have already started focussing on the Harman-Maya-Meher track. And the next thing on the agenda is Veera-RR's marriage bcoz Prem wanted it and Heer is on a i;ll do everything that Prem wants - will it include her getting married with someone also, wil be something that we;ll need to wait and watch.
I really like your optimism about Prem and Heer being together. After the way they showed how Heer's going about fulfilling Prem's wishes I don't think any chance of Prem coming back. I really hope you know something I don't but I really don't have much hope left. Don't you think the concept of eternal and undying love has already gone out of the show with the death of Prem? Lets face it the heroine is never alone. Somebody or the other will be paired with her. Only time will tell whether it'll be Preet or some other bloke (i really would like to see HC back as someother character. Atleast we'll get to see HC-AG chemistry). But I have lost all hopes of eternal love being shown in this show. Though I still watch it but it lacks the soul. Its like watching a whole new show. According to me the only way they can stick to the original concept of the show will be by killing heer. But that won't happen bcoz Prem asked her to live her life to the fullest! Its all finished. I really hope i am wrong. But I don't see any Prem-Heer reuniting in this show.
You take care. Will wait for your next post.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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hey estee. welcome back. so how r u now . hope ur well. we've been missing ur posts these days coz it's been 9 days wfp. nowadays the forum is very quiet and all have lost interest in kdmhmd . it's ur posts which actually gives us "the prem "we want till he comes back
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Originally posted by: fj08

i really like the words that they use, someone is doing a very good job.... about prems death... I dont know what the creatives were trying to show, i dont think they wanted to show prem giving up, i will not believe that prem did not save himself i THINK that he had no choice... regardless of what they show us that is what i will believe, so there... and if that is the case what he is saying makes sense, he is telling a girl who is beginning her life not to waste it just mourning for him, he will always be a part of her but she needs to feel every dhadkan of life for herself, prem has become an afsana and she has to live her life, fulfil his dreams, that includes heer becoming a bride, becoming a mother, I know of a girl who was heart broken by her fiance s death, i mean these things happen in real life too, manna ke she did not have a janam ka rishta with him but she was completely lost after this death, do you think she has to spend the rest of her life like that, mourning him??? she might not get the same love from another guy but she will get a different love as a wife, as a mother.... heer should not be denied these things
Of course if they have heer marrying someone next week or next month, that woould be tasteless... but she has prems blessings to move on with her life... i think this was important


yaar I agree wid u on the case of woman who lost her husband in real.But I dont agree the same when it cums to premeer.For me there is no difference between prem and heer when it cums to their luv for each other or feelings for each other.Let us assume heer died and prem is left alone do u think he can bear the loss go ahead marry sumone else hav kids.Ofcourse not thts why he chose death thru wish to god.I agree heer is all set to fulfil prem's dreams but tht doesnt mean tht she had cope up wid prem's death and will mov on get married to sunone else later.Ofcourse creatives will not leave her alone.There r so many luv stories where in the girl lived alone wid memories of her luv.Best example is RADHA and her luv for KRISHNA.I want kis desh to be sumthing so eternal luv story remembered forever
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Posted: 16 years ago
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hey estee.....dat was absolutely fantastic!!!!!
its wen i read this dat i realised HOW MUCH i missed ur bt&lt.....
absolutely fantastic!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: fj08

WFP 9 days.... are you counting all of prem appearances these past two weeks or not?

nope. all of these are prem from the past, or prem in heers imagination. wfp is from the time prem .. uh .. went missing to the day that he is gonna come back. to reclaim his prem-heer-are-one status. until then, wfp keeps ticking, flashbacks or no, figment of heers imagination or no.
and if that is the case what he is saying makes sense, he is telling a girl who is beginning her life not to waste it just mourning for him, he will always be a part of her but she needs to feel every dhadkan of life for herself, prem has become an afsana and she has to live her life, fulfil his dreams, that includes heer becoming a bride, becoming a mother, do you think she has to spend the rest of her life like that, mourning him??? she might not get the same love from another guy but she will get a different love as a wife, as a mother.... heer should not be denied these things

hmm. lemme put it this way: i dont think that heer doesnt have a right to any of those things that prem talked about. what bugged the heck out of me is that it was prem directing her to do it! in the same breath as the directive to take care of his family. seriously, what kind of guy does that??? it makes me as angry as heck! here, he is, giving thanks that he is getting his wish of dying before seeing her die - and simultaneoulsy giving heer directives to a) keep his family happy, b) keep herself happy, c) make sure she lives her life fully -- all the things that he should damned well be fighting to do himself. and here he is giving her directives??! nope, just did not make sense!

all of these things are for heer to choose to do - out of her own choice. out of her free will. not because some dead guy she loved - if indeed prem has actually died - has willed it! the more i think about it, the more i get angry that he dared say all that poooop!!! 😡😡

at this time, i am waiting for prem to get back - and get back soon! - just so that i can kick his butt! 😡

i think he was a bit odd in the scenes where he is not supposed to be...ie when heer is imagining him, he seems a little stiff but as it is a spirit thought that was ok, however i liked him in the two flashback scenes, he always had a sense of humor... and he always wanted a chance to kiss heer 😉

😆 yeah, we will always have that! 😆

i could still see glimpses of prem in the rain scene, so i was completely happy with harshad s acting

when you get used to perfect prem from hc in every single frame, it disturbs me to only get glimpses of prem from hc...


ooops, actually his name is sushant rajput... but yeah, he is very good.... 😃

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luckyluv


hey even I made a post on issues wid prem here is the link http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1062291
Even I am mad at prem
But I still hav hopes high on heer atleast she wud not compromise in life ahead



yeah, maybe this will be one show where the girl is actually better than the guy! 😆

go heer! go!
(oh, okay - go prem! too... 😆)

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