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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sssiham

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm😍😍😍..................that's all that i can say about the scene that sent everyone on a dream trip once again.

That description was so detailed, so thorough, sooooooooooooo I dont have the words that one actually didnt have to see the scene to picture it.
Its really good to see this forum alive again....



😆 oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. the power of prem-heer. one - was it all of five minutes??! - nice long segment, shot properly, with more eye-language, hand-language, body!-langauge than words between these two, and we have all had our brains in a haze for the rest of the weekend.

what really amazes me is that this is such a consistent behaviour that it seems a sure-fire way for the creatives to constantly keep us happy! why don't they just keep doing it??! are they afraid that we'll begin to take prem-heer for granted (or some such nonsense) if we keep getting weekendly doses like these?

sigh. dumbos....

btw, i actually dug up the courage to read through what i wrote -- it was one shot and in the aftermath of sleeping on having seen the show -- and i thought it was too scrambled. i was actually thinking of trying to do a better job of it. hmmmmm.... 😍
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Was it really only 5 minutes....gosh! i am still reeling from that effect. 😍
its like i almost don't want monday...and yet I do...know what i mean?
the creatives know what they are doing....give us enough premeer so we are....er....begging for more. bait...i call it. **sigh** dumbos

you always do a good job...and you sure did justice to the scene.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: estee

i'm not a morning person. seriously. give me a chance and i'll wait till the very last second till i have to roll out of bed to get ready for school. or take mom on her weekend project sessions. and yet. here i am. 5-blessed-30am on a friday that i can sleep. on a super luxurious fancy matress at p's place that is cloud-light-sleep-temptation under me. and i'm awake. worse. i'm awake with a goofy grin on my face. and a laptop on my chest. staring at a set of totally wicked screen-captures that a certain mnster just had to put up to torment giddy souls with.... with a certain male face with lashes draping intense brown eyes, an unmistakable jawline that is angled and moving over a face that is being held delicately but surely in place to receive his kiss.... hmmmm! oh, well. if this is hell, sign me up for a life-time membership please... 😆

'kay, so i figured i'd rise to a challenge that maya (maya123) had recently thrown my way - she said that prem-heer were making me lose my ability to use words to describe them. she called me a wimp for using photographs instead. 😆 (well, she didn't explicitly ... but hey, i got the challenge!) so i'm not using those screen captures today. *whimper, whimper, it's killing me already!* now, now we cannot all lose our ability to use words and talk in eye language like premeer can we? 😆 Besides, we do need an interpreter who can decipher what their conversations mean. And, who better than you 😛

* little thing: hadn't seen wednesday's show. but i can see that my guess about gayatri-mom was right -- she was faking it. eeps. boy, can she fake being mean well! and i see that there was an opportunity for prem to be brilliant "will you give me my wealth, maa?" made me wish i'd seen it for a micro-second... until i got a glimpse of ratpal saying that he was ravan at the end. which made me glad i hadn't seen it. 'cause ratpal makes me barf. and the whole ram-sita-ravan makes me shake on my well-feathered bed in revulsion and a sudden burst of fear... the episode with gayatri mom was way over the top and full of drama - they have to have ratpal there to move the story forward but they do not have to make him be the third wheel in premeer relationship - he can be there just to cause problems

* little thing: gee, they're really pushing this harman-meher-are-a-couple, aren't they? i just don't feel it though. i constantly get the feeling that meher's just interested in being a good lawyer. (i mean, c'mon! who calls a potential ... er ... lover, "ji"? look at perfect heer - have we ever heard a prem ji??!! never! 🤣) and didn't they once have harman taking a call from some babe in canada? sigh. i can just see some totally predictable mess coming up rsn... sigh. *kinda bored in anticipation already...* harman meher's conversations are more like people twice their age - all sweet and formal - i cannot see them ever being romantic. As for Heer calling Prem ji - only Heer knows whether she ever addressed Prem as 'ji' in those eye conversations that they had in the beginning - 😆
* little thing: it was kinda cute how gayatri-mom almost imperceptably gets meher to come to walk 'round with the arti-ka-thali. just like the little meher-laluchacha cheek-pull cheeky grin was cute. yeah the cheek pull brought the meher-lalluchacha relationship to the fore again.

* prem thing: 'kay, who else thought that when prem's hands settled over heer's hands (yeah, yeah, still gushing over prem-heer hand moments! 😆) over the diya, that he would lift her hands over his head as well? wouldn't that have been the "correct" way to take the dua? not to mention, it'd have been so .... 😍hmm one would do that to a kid i think - making the kid take arti - me thinks he was more interested putting his hands over Heer's hands 😆

* prem thing: 😆 i hope i was right in thinking that the only reason prem took over heer's prasad was 'cause he wanted to finish that incredible "feed heer prasad" moment that vitchface veera interrupted previously? good point - did not think of that although *sigh* this time the moment was interrupted by a laluchacha-gayatri-mom feeding moment! argh! and it wasn't even cute, damnit! in fact, what was laluchacha doing with that finger to mouth gesture?? eeeks! these two are given an incredible amount of screen time as compared to parents in other shows - especially lalluchacha 😔
veera's truly laluchacha's daughter. wait, should that be "laluchacha's truly veera's father."? 🤣 Preet is the only sensible juneja and one free of drama.

* heer thing: heer just can't stop touching prem in public, can she?? 😍 ya, ya, i know, i know -- "how can any red-blooded girl resist", right? yadda. yadda. yadda. but have you noticed that, in return, prem's always touching .. well, everyone other than heer?! hmmm! what does that say about prem!? i think Heer's touch (as of now - before the anda scene) is more about 'holding on for support'. She is yet to be schooled by Prem's ways 😆 and he dare not touch her in public as his touch would not be so innocent 😆 so he makes sure that his hands are occupied elsewhere 😆

(of course, this is what i thought then. how did i know that i was getting set up to be severely punished for such bad thoughts about prem by the 3rd segment of this show?? 😆)

hmm, there were lots of cute little prem-heer things in the background today, wasn't there? they seemed to be having a private party at the back of everything else, no? 😆 i liked that - it seemed that after all - 'normal' things do happen in the juneja household besides all the drama. 😆

* little thing: just had the thought -- the creatives and the rest of the crew must be slapping themselves on the head quite a bit, no? i mean, no matter how pink heer's outfit. no matter how opposite to white they can put prem into. no matter how many people they put in the front. no matter how much in the background they are pushed. no matter how blurred they are. every little thing that prem-heer do, is the big thing in any show. i wonder if it is only the people who follow premeer closely that do that or do almost all the people that watch the show without ever coming to IF also watch their each and very movement.

and today all i will do is laugh and helplessly accept it. today, they own me, heart-body-mind - and i'm going to be big enough to admit it. today, prem-heer, you win. today, i lose. big time. 😆 yeah, the thurs episode was awesome 😍

* little thing: well, it's not difficult for us to be totally enchanted by prem-heer in any case, given the embarassing things the rest of the family does! eeks, harman! even if he is the one in white - could he be any more transparent about sucking-up-to-dad than he was today!? why couldn't he have just been scary-in-black and grinning like vitchface veera was? (btw, did anyone else get the idea that veera's canines were suddenly longer and more prominent than usual? no? vas it just my imagination?? 'cause suddenly, i vanted to take a long string of garlic to bed to protect me. 😆) is harman trying to be another Prem - we do not want to see another one of those emotional dramas that we had between lalluchacha and Prem to be between lalluchacha and Harman. I thought lalluchacha was finally turning sane after being the only one who realised that veera was wrong in choosing ratpal. pls pls let him remain sane for longer. as for veera, i hardly notice her - she is brainless -is she really a juneja.
although, poor harman -- laluchacha's getting back on track to be ultra meanly unforgiving to yet another son, is he? *barf! where's triv's green emoticon when i need it??* seriously, the guy should get over his "my sons are extensions of my responsiblities" trip. and his nasty habit of not forgiving and forgetting easily. that's why i just hate it when prem keeps telling people that his bauji's crusty on the outside and soft on the inside. if that's true, boy is that some thick crust! 😛 before we think of his heart - i would like to get his head examined. 😆

of course, that last bit where laluchacha asks harman to give him his word -- on a promise that he refuses to first tell his son about?! i mean, i was already shaking my head when laluchacha showed that old grandfather's picture to harman. remember the last time he did that to prem?? exactly, and i thought that after reading veera correctly he was finally turning sane. arghh.. i will not watch any drama between Harman and lalluchacha - the last one between Prem and lalluchacha was enough to last us a lifetime 😵

hmmm. d'you think this show is trying to tell us that it is true what they say about old dogs? that they can't learn new tricks? gaaah! seeing people making the same mistake over and over again is sooo ... dull. 😛

* little thing: preet giving heer a big thumbs up when she gets laluchacha to sing. 😊 for preet. 😲 for everyone wanting laluchacha to sing! he is such a cutie pie

* little thing: the whole family suddenly being very concerned with something - anything! - that was in the exact opposite direction of laluchacha-gayatri-mom! 🤣 it might've been cliched, but it was well orchestrated and very cute. what pretty-pretty backs-of-heads the junejas have... 😆 so true 😆

* little thing: grumpy harman is worse than expressionless harman. man, i just wanted to shake him.

and seriously stop making meher get ancient lines to speak! that's prem-heer's job. get it through your thick skulls, oh script-writers exactly, does every love story in kis desh have to be the same

* big thing: oh, so this time, it's gayatri-mom setting up the little match-making dreams? *sigh* why can't parents just talk in a sensible, non-obscure way about what they want to their kids?? why can't they ever give their kids a choice, a discussion? these are grown up adults, for crying out loud. *hard sigh* i so detest parents like this. i wanted to immediately run and hug my mom for being so sensible... mom, i love you. choices mean no drama and then we cannot have a serial 😆

* prem-heer (big time big thing) thing 😆: 'kay. first things first. i was surprised at the background music. it was peppy, it was bright, it was chirpy, it was sooooo non prem-heer! usually, we get that heavily obviously romantic music -- all violen-sy and slow. this was totally different, no? and as a consequence, i was totally unprepared for what happened! think it introduced Heer beautifully -walking all carefree and innocent - also it made the whole scene very light hearted and romantic without it being cheesy and cliched
what a way to start! a shot of arms totally invading heer's privacy. from that very first shot, there was so not-a-shred-of-doubt about how masterfully prem had heer captured. and i'm persuaded that he was so masterful that one arm grabbed heer, and the other hand grabbed the thali and deposited it on the table he was standing in front of, before he capped his hand over her mouth. that hand... er. did anyone else notice how unusually long his fingers stood out against heer's face? seriously, that hand always looks best against heer's face. if anyone challenges this, i'm gonna do a post with evidence that i'm right. (challenge me, please challenge me! 😆)

and it was the sheer air of i'm-your-lord-and-master that just hit you through that first series of shots. heer looked totally out of her depth. so totally lorded over. "chor nahin, mai hoon". with pleasure written large in that hint of a smile. she has questions. he has all the answers. and like all the prem and heer moments, most of the questions and the answers are unspoken. and in all of those unspoken answers, there is more lord-and-mastery!

i think the camera work in that light setting blended perfectly with the score as he slowly back-walked heer into the wall somewhere in the middle of the room. i think that i heard a line that went "ek heer thi aur tha ek ranjha" -- omg, that was just so perfect i was dying of the pleasure of finally seeing a beautifully produced scene once again in this show. it's been soooo long since we have had one of these! beautiful...

that wall was soo far away, prem's eyes did'nt give her eyes permission to move through that long walk. you could feel the effort of her concentration to remember to breath at every step -- poor heer, no wonder she was struggling to draw breath by the time prem had her firmly captured. and oh, yes, she was firmly captured.

and that's the other thing that my own rapidly oxygen-depleting brain was struggling to register. in the two previous moments when prem made these very same moves to "get to" heer (😆 seriously. don't know what else to call it!) heer used a very simple, but very effective gesture to tell prem she couldn't handle it -- her eyes shut, she would turn her face away from the intensity of his look. (remember that seering white-hot moment of wet-white-shirt prem? yeah, like how could we forget??!)

this time, though, prem is her lord-and-master. he doesn't let her get away with it. he admires her eyes. she shyly demonstrates exactly why he should love it. he adores her hair with his eyes, with his fingers. and when she can't handle the heat of that look, she tries to do it to him again, hide from him again -- eyelashes drape eyes shut, turning her face away. but this time, he's got her -- those fingers just refuse to let her off that easily anymore. it's like he has given her two chances earlier to get used to his passion, to learn how to deal with it. haven't learnt yet? too bad, take it as ... prem's lover should. the insistence of his fingers that she should face him - insistent, layered over just a hint of brutal . finger-tip gentle, but too firm to give her her own choice. suddenly, i wondered if he could ever hurt heer physically - the gestures were that intense. prem....!!

and heer - heer! - shows him that she was just testing him. he moves her face back to his, and she smiles this time around - that oh so slight smile. but it's enough - to tell him she has seen his desire, she has felt his insistence, and she is ready for it too. was there anything in that shots that made your heart blaze like the sound of that last "prem"? if it had been anyone else, any other couple, it probably would've been a shout. but this is prem. this is his heer. her invitation for a kiss is softer than the touch of his eyes on her face, and as insistent as his fingers holding her face to receive his kiss. in that last moment, it looked more like it was prem being compelled to kiss her, like he had no other choice. his voice saying "tumhare muskan sey zyaada...." ending in a strangled "..mujhe..."

(why am i suddenly warm and bothered in my bed? it's still the same cloudy and chilly room that i was in a while ago.... damn these two!)

so it was almost a relief to hear the strangled "unddey" just when all my faculties were beginning to shut down. i totally loved it! that was brilliant! the equivalent of a cold-water shower in a prem who started babbling about -- of all the inexplicable things! -- eggs! why eggs??!! damnit! i want to know!! 🤣 which guy is thinking eggs when he is drenched in hormonal craziness? omg! did i just answer my own question??!!!! noooooo!!!!! 🤣

what i liked: my brain was just beginning to shut down. not totally shut down like that wet-white-shirt-drenched-in-blue-light-with-water-drenched-eyelashes prem-heer moment. 😆 the comic perfection of a prem rhyming about eggs at the speed of a bullet train! my prem-crazy pal was panting, but i was on the floor, totally loving the show like i haven't loved it in a long time.

* heer thing: yea, she gets it today. 'cause it's always been prem as lord-and-master throughout the show, y'know? and i've been waiting and waiting to see heer pay him back, love him back, take care of him back like he has done for her. this week has been quite full of bits and pieces of that. and i do hope we get to see heer take it all the way. i've always loved heer for being the owner of prem's heart-body-soul. i love seeing it on screen. she laughs at him.

and he hardly notices, 'cause he is sooo put off that his lord-and-master act has crumbled to no-kiss in front of a little girl's curiousity -- btw, brilliant little girl! somehow expressionless fit her perfectly, unlike the adults who usually do it on this show. 😆 loved i'm-sulking prem. and it's such a guy thing that he can sulk big time.

heer gives him back everything that he has put her through. i loved the camera work in putting this segment together and i think this is some very nice editing also -- finally! there are obviously at least two takes mixed in this: one shows heer's face, where the dark-light shadows on prem's face are just brilliant. okay, okay, they make him look gorgeous - 'cause he's in my favourite eyelashes-down-looking-at-heer pose. and her face is glowing in that warm light. the other take shows prem's face. here they look like they've used more light in the scene. just to show how sulky guys can get. and how small and sweet heer's hands are against prem's chest. btw, is that kurta one size too small for the breadth of those shoulders?? 😆

her words he knows. he's sulking and can ignore it. but her hands on his chest pushing him to the wall? (see! the hands again!) her fingers on his face? and last, but apparently, never the least 😆 her breath on his mouth? no matter how sulky he is -- "this place is filled with kids, one of them is bound to come" 😆 (although it was much funnier in hindi.) -- in the end, he is beginning to get seduced. like so:

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1035788#18240458

(yeah, i know i said i wouldn't post pictures! so? i lied! sue me! 😆)

and unlike most i'm-gonna-sulk-forever guys, prem's next "sulk" is partly just an act. he's back to being lord-and-master, punishing heer for that wonderful full laugh of hers. this one: (love the way his eyes are shut and his jaw is clenched here when he realises that he's not getting his kiss after all. love the way her eyes puff up when she laughs fully.)




*big thing: of all the shows that i've seen so far, there's none that has "gotten to me" like this one. said it before, saying it again: everytime i think they've done the best they can, they surprise me. and the weird thing is that i keep saying this. like i have to tell myself that i'm being weird or something.

i thought this was the most brilliant moment i've seen before because of the sheer complexity of getting my brain fogged and then wiping it clear and having it bright with laughter in the verynext moment. i've never been touched like this before - in any hindi tv show. most similar situations are more cliched, more hackneyed that this. in this segment, right from the arms around the waist to the last moment when he moves away from heer, hiding a smile with her running behind him to make up, it was brilliant. it keeps the flame of my faith in this ridiculous show alive.

for this moment, i will watch whatever poop they can come up with in the meher-harman story. maybe even ... ugh ... a ratpal ravan track. *barf, barf, barf*

sigh. i can hear my pal beginning to stir outside my door. i've taken two hours to write this! and i didn't take more than 20 min.. no, 40 min... um.. mebbe one hour? selecting exactly which pictures to use here. 😆 oh well. i hope raksha gets to read this. i'd planned to put this up last night after the show. but she'd said that i was never on when she was -- this is my experimenting at finding when she is on and i can get her to write comments on the bt,lt like in the "ole days".

gee, isn't it nice that we finally have "old days" and "new days" that are just great in this show?? i'm soo lovin' it.

(and no, i'm not stoooopid enough to put up a highlight of the episode today. 'nuff said already! 😆)
i thought that the whole of the kis desh team outdid themselves in this scene 👏 and I think that what the team did in visual form; you have done an equally brilliant job describing the scene in words 👏

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sshekar

Was it really only 5 minutes....gosh! i am still reeling from that effect. 😍



i don't know -- but these segments do tend to be really short.

d'you remember the first time that prem had heer captured against a wall? (i think it was the first time.) it was after she'd given him a mouthful of ... pooop! ... about falling in love with muckmeet and that she was happy with him and that prem should take a flying jump away from muckmeet and her?

he was breathing fire, through clenched teeth, and he used his whole body to make sure that heer wouldn't be able to escape his wrath. "you see one thing, hear another, understand another, want something else. if you don't care, why do you tolerate being so close to me? why heer? why?"

i remember my head going up in smoke. and of all the things in that episode, that is something i remember the heat of, even today. and that was less than 30 seconds of material. damnit! i so hate prem!😡

Originally posted by: sshekar

its like i almost don't want monday...and yet I do...know what i mean?



completely. totally. seriously. absolutely.

after monday's show, we will know what happens - to prem-heer. the rest of the family. the rest of the show's character. it will all replace the only thing we have filling our heads just now -- "tumhare muskan kay zyaada pyar"... *lips moving desperately slowly, voice getting strangled in tight throat* ... "..mujhe.."

*strangled voice* "... anddey pasad hai". *bright, bright, light and laughter*

after monday, something else. and yet, i loved having a weekend-head full of this moment soooo much.

not wanting, yet wanting monday is kinda like not wanting, yet wanting progress... no? *sigh*
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: maya123

now, now we cannot all lose our ability to use words and talk in eye language like premeer can we? 😆 Besides, we do need an interpreter who can decipher what their conversations mean. And, who better than you 😛



😛 back to you. it was dreadful not just putting pictures all over the place, btw. i don't think i've sweated as much while writing something before... better than a gym workout! 😆

Originally posted by: maya123

they have to have ratpal there to move the story forward but they do not have to make him be the third wheel in premeer relationship - he can be there just to cause problems



*sigh* yeah. i guess. but what a lousy thing to come back down to after the euphoria of prem-seducing-heer-and-heer-seducing-prem...

Originally posted by: maya123


harman meher's conversations - i cannot see them ever being romantic. As for Heer calling Prem ji - only Heer knows whether she ever addressed Prem as 'ji' in those eye conversations that they had in the beginning -



oh, i'm glad youagree: i can't see it either. like there was never a doubt with prem-heer... and since you have given me responsibility/ability to decipher prem-heer-eyes conversations, the answer is: no, never. heer has always said "prem". vocally. silently (moving her mouth). visually. she's the real lord-and-master -- she just lets him think he is, once in a while. to keep him happy. it's a guy thing you know.... 😆

Originally posted by: maya123


hmm one would do that to a kid i think - making the kid take arti - me thinks he was more interested putting his hands over Heer's hands



😆 you are wicked, getting me to think again 'bout prem-heer-hands.

Originally posted by: maya123

She is yet to be schooled by Prem's ways 😆 and he dare not touch her in public as his touch would not be so innocent 😆 so he makes sure that his hands are occupied elsewhere 😆



😲 man you're wicked!!! i didn't even think - no, imagine this! i like it! no, i love it! what a brilliant reason for why prem doesn't touch heer in public... 😍 and damn! there's my aunt calling me down for dinner. i am sooooo dead -- i'm going to have to talk with five adults intelligently while savouring this new prem-not-touching-heer-in-public reason. damn!

Originally posted by: maya123


i wonder if it is only the people who follow premeer closely that do that or do almost all the people that watch the show without ever coming to IF also watch their each and very movement.



😆 yet another one of those i-so-badly-want-to-know! things about this show...

Originally posted by: maya123


is harman trying to be another Prem - we do not want to see another one of those emotional dramas that we had between lalluchacha and Prem to be between lalluchacha and Harman.



so not looking forward to it.... 'cause i think they are going to involve prem, if not prem-heer, and it'll all be quite morose and dull, i'm sure.... sigh.

Originally posted by: maya123


choices mean no drama and then we cannot have a serial 😆



😕 you think? i thought that drama was all about choices.. it's just that these serials are all stoooooopid about highlighting some choices and totally ignoring others. drives me crazy if i think 'bout it. so i don't. and just focus on big-big eyes and lovely jawlines. *sigh* hate prem... 😆

Originally posted by: maya123


think it introduced Heer beautifully -walking all carefree and innocent - also it made the whole scene very light hearted and romantic without it being cheesy and cliched



and totally took me by surprise when they showed the scene. what an impact. i was wide open and couldn't even protect myself from drowning...😆

Originally posted by: maya123

i thought that the whole of the kis desh team outdid themselves in this scene 👏 and I think that what the team did in visual form; you have done an equally brilliant job describing the scene in words 👏



y'think? i thought it was scrambled. hmmm. i know that my head was definitely scrambled while trying to write. six hours of rest and sleep ain't enough to calm brains shaken by the "prem-heer" effect... 😆 ah, what a life. so lovin' it. 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I was thinking of replying the way I usually do to your posts.. then I saw the length of it! 😲 Heh. Not happening.. Sorry 😔 Don't have the time.. Have to get back to my studying.. I have another paper tomorrow! 😭
I saw this episode! Loved every bit of the Premeer scene.. And I absolutely loved the way you described it.. Tanu was hilarious, "Maama, aapko jhooth bolna bhi nahi aata." And Heer laughing at Prem.. Too good!
Today's scene was also really good, hope you will have time to watch and update.. If not, our loss.. 😛
BTW, more pics next time.. And what was the challenge you wanted? Cos you asked so nicely, I challenge you! (Only so we get more of your posts).. 😆 And post on The Hands please.. 😉
Love,
Radz
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anhdara13

I was thinking of replying the way I usually do to your posts.. then I saw the length of it!



ya, i know, awful wasn't it. felt like harry potter, book 4 - needed a good editor to tear out and throw away 2/3 of the book. sigh. this is what happens when prem-scrambled-brains try to write bt,lts... will try better next time?

Originally posted by: Anhdara13

BTW, more pics next time.. And what was the challenge you wanted? Cos you asked so nicely, I challenge you! (Only so we get more of your posts).. 😆 And post on The Hands please.. 😉



😆 oh, yeah? you challenge me? 'kay, wait till i get time this weekend. oh, you are going to be so sorry! 😆

the hands too are under construction.

but btw, the last weekend saw a little too much of me on the forum. there was soo much estee-noise that people started wondering about my having too much time on my hands... which was true. 😆 check out:

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1037597
('bout prem-heer entering politics -- my own post)

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1037172
(something that i found and forwarded on the forum -- and got an unexpected reaction! honestly, some people can be sooo insensitive and uncaring!

😆)

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