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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Ryka



I do get your point sweety😃 but we are forgetting the Shabbir Ahluwalia factor here. Milind wont be required to go on a break if Shabbo can afford his time for him. They wont do without Shabbo if they dont have to. Yes, Milind deserves to know the truth... but if they did have those brains they wont have prolonged it this long... They wont have made Milind-Neev such bitter enemies and wouldnt make this revenge mode so dangerous and crimnal by the moment. They wont put this to an end in an abrupt way... one of them have to pay the price now and one later. Milind pays for it now and Neev, when Milind returns😕

I may not have reasons or logical explanation about my confidence in Michi like the way I didnt have when they were strangers... But I am secure about them😃. N-P's pair irritates me but never managed to threaten me... I dont know why😕 May be it is the Shabbir factor... I agree he is versatile, he can carry of anything... But even then there are restrictions... A person writing for Shabbir's character wont feel like restricting the character and making him downright sober, tolerant or the ever scarificing lover like a Sujal or Anurag... because Shabbir's look is very rugged, rough and tough... there is a kind of a restlessness in him that you dont feel like taming forever... so invariably you will keep him impulsive and reactive that is where Shabbir excels... the soberness will be restricted to moments of absolute bliss and peace and heartwrenching moments. I think you will understand what I trying to say, you have written a beautiful story for Michi & reactions for Milind... Btw you made my weekend with your 'Till death do us apart' I copied it down on a word doc today and was reading it... I am still reading it... shall get back once i have read the entire story till now😃 No matter how imaginative i try to get... I cant visualise Milind being alone or suffering silently or otherwise... Na... i dont get the picture. And with all due respect to the other actors and their characters... i dont think we have some one who can tower the screen presence of Shabbo(They do take the liberity of being dramatic and cinematic with him)

That should be what I think...baki ka lets see what the creatives have in store and what they are capable of.


Hunny you cudn't have put it down better.But as I said I have full faith in Milind.....it's the creatives I fear but then as you rightly put it when one writes for a character like Milind keeping Shabbir in mind....you just write, you feel the character think what he thinks, desire what he desires in short I believe Milind springs to life even while you write.Shabbo is capable of bringing out the best in any writer.😊 let's see wat's in store just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best. Hoping that Milind won't leave afterall.😛 Oh so you finally stumbled across my ff ,😊 I guess it's very likeable by anyone who loves Michi 😆 cuz it has so much of them especially Milsi.😊

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Ryka



Jaan kahan ho aap😕? One of the reason i want Milind to leave is this.... they stagnate after a point and then take a downward swing... which I dont want for Milind. This trick worked with Angad na... he went through a lean patch and had become maha boring (ok, sorry for that) with his soft, mellow characteristics... and then they got him back as the Mean Machine Zeb😍 IQ was a treat to watch and then again when he was plunging downwards... they took a leap and got him back the Original Attitude Angad.... They kept renewing him which is what kept that show going for a decent time span. If this show has to withstand then they cant afford to ruin Milind... esp when he is you Star. Along with that Shabbo deserves a break... It is the perfect time to give the character a break. And I dont want Milind to go away on a Business because... I dont want them to show him leave because he needs to get away... Na, Apna Milind can face any situation on its face.... His courage is what makes him so special😳 The way he deals with it is secondary for me... because I know wo kuch bhi karle... wo akhir mein sahi hi karta hai...or should i say... wo jo karta hai, he will ensure wo sahi banjaye. He is a kind of a guy who doesnt necessarily make a Right Decision... but he makes sure his Decisions are right. So they better show something inevitable happen to him and have him go😭🥺 And yes, even though I want that to happen... If and When it happens... I will be heartbroken🥺

Btw what does Aunty have to say abt the current track? Would love to hear her take... I hope she has a slap or two for your Doll😆

You know what... let Milind leave and we should go and check on our Rockstar. Uska halath tho Duffer se bhi bhatar hai😭



Sorry yaar, me is quite busy so can't always say everything i want to say. But since you asked...

My mom's take:
Prachi is definitely a dumbo to not open her mouth till now. After seeing her husband deteriorate day by day and watching him suffer, its way beyond time for her to at least give him some hint that she is innocent. In her opinion, there shouldn't be a secret btw husband-wife. If she at least says the truth to Milind, even if he doesn't believe her at least he will investigate into the matter. Or if he doesn't then when eventually the truth comes out at least she can justify that she had spoken the truth to him once. Beyond that what bother's my mom is that Milind just happens to catch Neev and Prachi at the wrong time. It was quiet funny how she expressed her annoyance at this. But basically she doesn't blame Milind for his actions because according to her men cannot tolerate such a scn under any circumstance {that what belongs to them is being usurped by another}.
Moreover, she sympathizes with Neev (she hasn't really watched the show from the beginning-only after Michi got married). So according to her Prachi can be this selfish only because its Neev on the other end. If it were some other guy, he would have made Prachi's life hell for falsely maligning his character. So both Neev and Milind have full support of JC's mom and Prachi is about to get some serious "adi" on her "back-side". But she still hopes for Michi reunion to happen soon and that gfn sister of Milind's to come back and clear things.

*Sigh* after my mom got interested in KYM i was happy cause i thought finally i found something that we both can agree on and enjoy together. lolz. There it goes down the drain.

JC
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: jinc118



Sorry yaar, me is quite busy so can't always say everything i want to say. But since you asked...

My mom's take:
Prachi is definitely a dumbo to not open her mouth till now. After seeing her husband deteriorate day by day and watching him suffer, its way beyond time for her to at least give him some hint that she is innocent. In her opinion, there shouldn't be a secret btw husband-wife. If she at least says the truth to Milind, even if he doesn't believe her at least he will investigate into the matter. Or if he doesn't then when eventually the truth comes out at least she can justify that she had spoken the truth to him once. Beyond that what bother's my mom is that Milind just happens to catch Neev and Prachi at the wrong time. It was quiet funny how she expressed her annoyance at this. But basically she doesn't blame Milind for his actions because according to her men cannot tolerate such a scn under any circumstance {that what belongs to them is being usurped by another}.
Moreover, she sympathizes with Neev (she hasn't really watched the show from the beginning-only after Michi got married). So according to her Prachi can be this selfish only because its Neev on the other end. If it were some other guy, he would have made Prachi's life hell for falsely maligning his character. So both Neev and Milind have full support of JC's mom and Prachi is about to get some serious "adi" on her "back-side". But she still hopes for Michi reunion to happen soon and that gfn sister of Milind's to come back and clear things.

*Sigh* after my mom got interested in KYM i was happy cause i thought finally i found something that we both can agree on and enjoy together. lolz. There it goes down the drain.

JC

JC your mom is one cool person and shes so right....as I completely agree with all that she said......😃

As for the "Adi on her backside" I am all for that too.....😆 its definitley needed the most right now.....to get her brians to work....😆

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Posted: 17 years ago

even my biggest fear if milind is bumped is a pendulumgiri from prachi again falling for neev then milind back and ......but somehow my heart says that prachis love for milind is for keeps for kayamath ..that girl has loved milind with a passion whereas with neev it was friends growing together knowing each other.....she is not capable of loving anyone else again i know.......i hope the idiots who call them self creatives also remember that..and atleast keep something constant in prachi other than her sacrificing avataar

as for neev and milind face off ..no offence to any nev fans but that guy looked more like a sulking baby infront of milind ..he simply does not have the captivating presence in him...he can be the boy next door but someone on revenge it looked very funny...especially in front of milind.....the story has gonme for a toss the only saving grace is shabbo playing milind....and michi together i will endure anyhting..they can show any geometrical shapes they want triangle squares etc.but whenever milind returns that is if he goes i want prachi waiting for him and not reinforcing his belief that prachi betrayed him and got together with neev whatever crap the situation maybe ........ 😡

and even anurag basu had more screen presence plus it took years and years for prerna to fall in love with mr.bajaj but here it took hardly months for prachi to fall for milind which makes me wonder her depth of so called love for neev if ever..........

sujal was the hero from the start not even piyush with all his swetness ccould take away that ...kasish had to go back to him that guy made her fall in love with his love.....the same cannot ever be said about neev ,he is a friend material not a lover ...i am only talking about the etching of the characters so it has to be michi till the end

and JC ur right ur doll needs many adis on her rear...
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: sun29


even my biggest fear if milind is bumped is a pendulumgiri from prachi again falling for neev then milind back and ......but somehow my heart says that prachis love for milind is for keeps for kayamath ..that girl has loved milind with a passion whereas with neev it was friends growing together knowing each other.....she is not capable of loving anyone else again i know.......i hope the idiots who call them self creatives also remember that..and atleast keep something constant in prachi other than her sacrificing avataar

as for neev and milind face off ..no offence to any nev fans but that guy looked more like a sulking baby infront of milind ..he simply does not have the captivating presence in him...he can be the boy next door but someone on revenge it looked very funny...especially in front of milind.....the story has gonme for a toss the only saving grace is shabbo playing milind....and michi together i will endure anyhting..they can show any geometrical shapes they want triangle squares etc.but whenever milind returns that is if he goes i want prachi waiting for him and not reinforcing his belief that prachi betrayed him and got together with neev whatever crap the situation maybe ........ 😡

and even anurag basu had more screen presence plus it took years and years for prerna to fall in love with mr.bajaj but here it took hardly months for prachi to fall for milind which makes me wonder her depth of so called love for neev if ever..........

sujal was the hero from the start not even piyush with all his swetness ccould take away that ...kasish had to go back to him that guy made her fall in love with his love.....the same cannot ever be said about neev ,he is a friend material not a lover ...i am only talking about the etching of the characters so it has to be michi till the end

and JC ur right ur doll needs many adis on her rear...

Sun,don't give the destructives any kind of ideas dear.They have a penchant for copying the scenes which we don't want to see instead of the ones that we want to see.😡My patience seems to be fading away slowly with this retarded baby track dear.I just hope that the destructives put an end to it pretty soon.

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Posted: 17 years ago

If they show us...Milland or PL..."Adifying her behind" I wouldn't mind at all..this will definitley be the first for any BT heroine...getting what she so deserves... "a good hard whack(s) on the backside" 😆

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: jinc118



My mom's take:
Prachi is definitely a dumbo to not open her mouth till now. After seeing her husband deteriorate day by day and watching him suffer, its way beyond time for her to at least give him some hint that she is innocent. In her opinion, there shouldn't be a secret btw husband-wife. If she at least says the truth to Milind, even if he doesn't believe her at least he will investigate into the matter. Or if he doesn't then when eventually the truth comes out at least she can justify that she had spoken the truth to him once. Beyond that what bother's my mom is that Milind just happens to catch Neev and Prachi at the wrong time. It was quiet funny how she expressed her annoyance at this. But basically she doesn't blame Milind for his actions because according to her men cannot tolerate such a scn under any circumstance {that what belongs to them is being usurped by another}.
Moreover, she sympathizes with Neev (she hasn't really watched the show from the beginning-only after Michi got married). So according to her Prachi can be this selfish only because its Neev on the other end. If it were some other guy, he would have made Prachi's life hell for falsely maligning his character. So both Neev and Milind have full support of JC's mom and Prachi is about to get some serious "adi" on her "back-side". But she still hopes for Michi reunion to happen soon and that gfn sister of Milind's to come back and clear things.

*Sigh* after my mom got interested in KYM i was happy cause i thought finally i found something that we both can agree on and enjoy together. lolz. There it goes down the drain.

JC


Sorry JC but obviously I like Mrs. Liz (hit me if I'm remember wrongly but I think that's her name😕) 's take more than I do yours about Prachi and the whole situation😆 Your mom rules😆

Originally posted by: kubare

If they show us...Milland or PL..."Adifying her behind" I wouldn't mind at all..this will definitley be the first for any BT heroine...getting what she so deserves... "a good hard whack(s) on the backside" 😆


Thank you Krishna I was wondering what that particular part means😆

Ah topic, a fruit of my very own thoughts on Kayamath episode... I've got none.
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Posted: 17 years ago
There is no way that Prachi will ever fall for anyone save Milsi. That I am quite confident of, Neev or no Neev. I dont think even Neev is interested in getting back with her. In the last couple of episodes, he looked at her with anything but love. If Milsi is made to leave she will be right there waiting for him (may be even fighting Neev to protect his business), even if she thinks he is not going to return.

But I feel that there is no need to reinvent Milsi's character. He is not stagnating, if anything he is degenerating due to this revenge track (thanks to the mess caused by Prachi's lie). The mess needs to be cleared up soon. If not, he needs to leave (would prefer a business trip since he does not want to stay in the same house as Prachi and keep pretending for his father which he will be forced to do because of his love for him). He can make himself unreachable since this is a preplanned trip and he does not want to be traced. If the truth were to break out in his absence then no one would be able to contact him and one need'nt explain it as cowardice because he would have frankly not known about what was happening back home.

And Ryka, I would not call all his decisions right or that he makes right all his decisions. His spur of the moment decisions to seek revenge from Neev do not look right to me, no matter what the provocation is. Neither Neev's decisions are right nor are his. So I would'nt go so far as to absolve him of it. These decisions may well come back to bite him when the truth comes out because Saket is after all Neev's brother. Yes, he needs a break to remove himself off the scene because things are spiralling out of control and any further advancement will only be negative to say the least. If he conciously leaves it is not as if he is trying to escape. No, he just does not want to hurt his baba which is true to his character. At the same time he cannot live the life of a hypocrite. He may be impulsive but is definitely not a hypocrite. So he cannot stay on and put up the show for his baba. So he may opt for the safest option of removing himself from the scene in a seemingly innocent business trip but make himself unreachable.

And I personally feel that a strong man is not necessarily a man with loads of attitude and a certain meanness. In fact the current Milsi is certainly mean. He does'nt need to disappear to return back mean. One can be a strong man without all these props. And Milsi is not Angad who was a rockstar who thrives on attitude. He is a far better etched character who has this rare combination of toughness and sweetness and I do not want him to ever lose it. And what is wrong to show a senstive side to a man? Just because he hurts and sheds a few tears, it does not make him less of a man. It does not make him less of a man if he continues to love the woman who he believes has hurt him. Let him not turn into a mean guy because of the foolishness of the woman he loves. Nothing can justify meanness and especially crime committed out of that meanness be it bribery, arson or something even more grave. No, that is not Milsi as I have known him all these months. He will definitely feel awful for behaving the way he did.

So yes, he needs to leave and reflect in peace before he does any further damage to his beautiful character. And no, I dont want an accident track to explain that absence. Maybe he can be shown to have had an accident while he was away on his supposed 'business trip'. His leaving should be a conscious decision to avoid being a hypocrite and nothing else. And his reutrn should be that of a man who has learnt to be more balanced, who has conquered that implusive streak in him and who goes beyond the obvious with a cool mind, whose reactions would not be immediate, based on his pumping adrenalin but more measured, based on his grey cells.
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Posted: 17 years ago
I agree with what you have to say optimistic..Milind doesnot need to really re-invent his character, but he only to retrospect his actions and think rationally before doing anything more damaging. But i feel that among all other characters created by Ekta in any serial, Milind is one of the most realsistic.His behaviour towards Prachi is exactly what any man would do had his wife betrayed him. His anger is justified( although he is way too ruthless),but his actions are not something one cannot relate to. Milind from the beginning has been shown as someone very impulsive and aggressive, and his present behaviour shows just that. Moreover he believes in venting his feelings, no matter what, so what he is doing now is only natural to him. A man cannot change overnight. And it would be unnatural of him if he would have forgiven prachi and let go of everything, coz no man would.So Milind in his own way is right, but his ruthlessness towards Prachi is not completely justified..
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: optimist

There is no way that Prachi will ever fall for anyone save Milsi. That I am quite confident of, Neev or no Neev. I dont think even Neev is interested in getting back with her. In the last couple of episodes, he looked at her with anything but love. If Milsi is made to leave she will be right there waiting for him (may be even fighting Neev to protect his business), even if she thinks he is not going to return.
That is true. Neev PRachi have gone beyond the getting-back-together days. Neev himself noticed that change him when he left Prachi crying after Milsi's arrest and he said to himself that her tears don't move him anymore...whereas before he'd have become a clown in a second to bring back the smile on her face when she starts to cry. Prachi on the other hand, doesn't need to admit that she cares little for Neev. But her actions are definitely in disregard for Neev. She cares only about Milind and his family and Neev is nowhere in near-sight. So even if Milsi is out of the picture she will not go to Neev because they both have moved far far away from each other. And besides, considering that Neev is still lawfully wedded to Ayesha, i don't think Prachi will force a divorce for her sister and if Milind is not around to be her solace Ayesha most definitely will not let Neev free to be with Prachi (even if he wanted to). That would defeat the whole purpose of her marrying Neev in the first place.

But I feel that there is no need to reinvent Milsi's character. He is not stagnating, if anything he is degenerating due to this revenge track (thanks to the mess caused by Prachi's lie). The mess needs to be cleared up soon. If not, he needs to leave (would prefer a business trip since he does not want to stay in the same house as Prachi and keep pretending for his father which he will be forced to do because of his love for him). He can make himself unreachable since this is a preplanned trip and he does not want to be traced. If the truth were to break out in his absence then no one would be able to contact him and one need'nt explain it as cowardice because he would have frankly not known about what was happening back home.
I never thought of that. He did put up an act before in front of his dad but there was more truth to that act he was still very uncomfy doing it. So maybe you are right, with so much hatred in him he won't be able to put up a drama. He'll hate himself if he does. So it might be better that he leaves. But an accident to him will also effect his baba's health. His baba will die with him so hopefully BT keeps that in mind when showing Milind's exit. But when have they cared about logic. They can show that baba will get a heart attack at merely being insulted but at the thought of loosing a son the father will stand like a rock and comfort his D-I-L. 😆

And Ryka, I would not call all his decisions right or that he makes right all his decisions. His spur of the moment decisions to seek revenge from Neev do not look right to me, no matter what the provocation is. Neither Neev's decisions are right nor are his. So I would'nt go so far as to absolve him of it. These decisions may well come back to bite him when the truth comes out because Saket is after all Neev's brother. Yes, he needs a break to remove himself off the scene because things are spiralling out of control and any further advancement will only be negative to say the least. If he conciously leaves it is not as if he is trying to escape. No, he just does not want to hurt his baba which is true to his character. At the same time he cannot live the life of a hypocrite. He may be impulsive but is definitely not a hypocrite. So he cannot stay on and put up the show for his baba. So he may opt for the safest option of removing himself from the scene in a seemingly innocent business trip but make himself unreachable.
Honestly i am tired of justifying each and every act of all the characters in this show. Lets all admit it, none of them are that perfect. They all do make mistakes no matter what the justification. I am just fed up of people blaming one character for everything (and i am not talking about Prachi being blamed). I am also tired of Ayesha being blamed for all evils all the time. Sometimes its Neev, Prachi and Milind's stupidity also that lands them into the soup that they are in. Neev never made a clear gesture to Ayesha that he wants to spend a happy life with her. So then he also shouldn't just blame Ayesha for messing up his life. Neev is not doing anything to prove that Ritwik is not his child so wth is he screaming at PRachi for. Just at easily Ayesha got a DNA test for Prachi, Neev too can get a DNA test and prove that he is not the father and get everyone off his back. But he would rather do stupid things and compete with Milind, why, because he just needed a reason to retaliate. He's been wanting to do this for a long time and now he has an excuse for it. Milind i won't even go there. I'll just end up hating myself for saying what i have to say. Prachi is also no use talking about her. So now, none of them have my sympathies. I feel sorry for PL for having such a miserable set of kids living with her whom she needs to mother and guide to bring them to their right paths.

And I personally feel that a strong man is not necessarily a man with loads of attitude and a certain meanness. In fact the current Milsi is certainly mean. He does'nt need to disappear to return back mean. One can be a strong man without all these props. And Milsi is not Angad who was a rockstar who thrives on attitude. He is a far better etched character who has this rare combination of toughness and sweetness and I do not want him to ever lose it. And what is wrong to show a senstive side to a man? Just because he hurts and sheds a few tears, it does not make him less of a man. It does not make him less of a man if he continues to love the woman who he believes has hurt him. Let him not turn into a mean guy because of the foolishness of the woman he loves. Nothing can justify meanness and especially crime committed out of that meanness be it bribery, arson or something even more grave. No, that is not Milsi as I have known him all these months. He will definitely feel awful for behaving the way he did.
True, strong men don't need to be mean...but its fun to watch a good hearted mean machine.😆 That adds masala to the story and the TRP's go up. The viewers love to watch attitude...the good-guy act gets boring after a while. Characters need to have spunk. My personal taste has no place for tears...in men and women alike. I was initially attracted to Ayesha's character because she don't cry and whine about her misfortunes. Same for Milsi. I liked him better than Neev because Neev was all about complaining and no actions to make his life better as a sharp contrast to Milsi.

So yes, he needs to leave and reflect in peace before he does any further damage to his beautiful character. And no, I dont want an accident track to explain that absence. Maybe he can be shown to have had an accident while he was away on his supposed 'business trip'. His leaving should be a conscious decision to avoid being a hypocrite and nothing else. And his reutrn should be that of a man who has learnt to be more balanced, who has conquered that implusive streak in him and who goes beyond the obvious with a cool mind, whose reactions would not be immediate, based on his pumping adrenalin but more measured, based on his grey cells.
I agree he needs to leave. But as for balance, i don't think it will come that easily. His temperament is his basic nature and not a habit that you can get rid of. Temperaments of people rarely change if at all, and even if it changes it doesn't change in a 180 degree fashion...only mild modifications occur. I don't think Milsi will ever become a completely balanced character (say like Mihir of Kyunki [strictly in temperament]) and don't think i'll be able to digest that. Maybe way in the future when or if the show takes a leap and Milsi is shown as a father of a teenager then the balanced nature will look more realistic because Milsi will have had years of experience and maturity added to his temperament.

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