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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango.falooda

and we don't have villains. where are the villains stirring up drama? smiley36 sometimes, it really does feel like random vlogs/diary entries because nothing happens. I am still keeping my fingers crossed that mr pyramid will come back.

and I am no longer excited about this love story because of the nonsense they have shown. it doesn't feel organic that 30+ characters fall in love this way. should she need persuasion to consider him romantically? doesn't a 30+ woman know her own mind? this isn't product that needs to be sold. so why this kind of emotional pressure because everyone wants viaan to be happy. what about her? so yea, in real life, such emotional pressure is very unpleasant whether it is in the arranged marriage market or just some guy proposing.

and why does falling in love for him change his personality? one of the reasons why people are persuaded to marry young is that the older you get, teh harder it is to adjust because people are set in their ways. instead, we had viaan go through such a drastic transformation that he has lost a core part of himself -- keeping his boundaries and self-respect. now, he knows neither.

am so glad that you are enjoying tahir and the drama. 🤗 he really is like the black sea that he describes and loves -- wild, honest and totally relentless. it is so fantastic to see old-fashioned rural type father bonding -- fishing, climbing trees.. nothing over the top but just keeping it simple and still showing how tahir and yigit bond so well. and I love that tahir is good but will not let anyone walk all over him. so yea, fantastic actor and beautiful charcter.

No villains. We thought Eshan is the villain, but he turned out good. Pyramid guy disappeared because he was bored. Shamita turned out ok. PapaG turned out to be a good fil. Reet’s hubby turned out to be a good man. Reet is confused for now, she will also turn out to be good, with a heart of gold and mind-mushy. Teji just rolls eyes and is insecure. She will also turn out to be ok or the makers forgot to tell us her story. Farah is acting all secretive, but we will never know her side of the story. Seema is forgetting stuff so she is a good person. Vanya has reasoned out that Viaan doesn’t know the truth so she is no longer bad. Most importantly the writers are all good forgetful people. They have forgotten to tell us the story and have taken a fancy to babies and their innocence. They are seeing all the characters through the eyes of this baby and making them spout nonsense in the guise of innocence.

Viaan had to change overnight to make Katha appreciate him. Or make himself believe in his goodness. Who knows? Definitely not the writers. As an actor, Adnan failed here. He should have shown a gradual progression. Instead he went OTT in all scenes. Is he the cold, calculating guy or a clueless majnu belting out poems and making grand declarations. Frankly I don’t care! Someone should ask him, “Who are you?” That should set him off on a search to figure himself out and not have it based on this katha light that seems to be an answer/justification to everything he does now. Total madness.

@bold, yes yes and yes. Although it’s quite dragging and I have skipped quite a bit, I watch this man. Whether it’s annoyance, happiness, love, passion, anger, tolerance, whatever it is, it is so well and subtly portrayed, both in the body language and face. As for the bonding with the child? 😍 perfection. Love the hot headedness, suits him well. Love the love, makes him gentle and so tuned in.

Edited by kushikumari - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

mili -- the more I think about it, I am able to understand why I cannot relate to this baby track at all. it is because it is totally contrived. it doesn't hit emotionally.

I only respond to dramas where the guy has to deal with all the emotions in a more honest way and that happens often through circumstances beyond his control -- that is certainly more impactful.

so because I am bored, I will share the outline of a one episode drama (so each ep is a different story) I watched years ago in singapore. so ML is a really successful doctor and surgeon. he gets a call that his younger half-brother is in jail for some financial fraud. basically these two have barely spoken in years -- the last time at their father's funeral.

so the father divorced ML's mom and moved on to wife#2 and son#2. ML grew up with grandparents and so naturally has a lot of resentment. he is not even remotely sympathetic to find his brother got involved in some sort of ponzi scheme and is now in jail.

the brother pleads with doctor to take care of his 8 year old daughter and doctor is flaberghasted. he is like, "where is the mom?" and can't even facepalm that the woman had taken off with the money and left. the brother pleads that he has no one else to request and he does not want his daughter to end up in some orphanage.

very reluctantly, doctor agrees to keep her temporarily till the court case is over. it is all a bit of disaster. she is bratty and keeps acting out -- even his regular top-servant lady can barely handle the child and doctor has to pay extra to ensure she doesn't quit. the girl refuses to eat properly and the doctor keeps getting frustrated because he is all about healthy living. to make things worse, the brother is sentenced to 10 years for fraud which means the doctor is stuck with the child. he is not even remotely amused and is close to having meltdown.

the girl then gets hospitalized for gastritis and he is totally embarassed --- he is a doctor himself and the child got sick under his custody. the FL, a fellow doctor and a pediatrician, then sits him down and explains that he needs to put himself in the girl's shoes. all of a sudden, she is thrust with relatives who do not want her, giving her rules she is not used and making her eat food she does not like.

doctor is like he does not want to be her father but he is stuck with her and is not going to allow her to be bratty and unhealthy. FL then tells him that he does not need to be the father. however, flawed, she already has one who loves her but is far away from her due to circumstances. what she needs is a constant father figure which he can provide as an uncle.

so he does not need to change his character -- can be as serious and schedule oriented as he likes -- but he needs to bend a little and think about things from the child's perspective and make room for her so she feels welcome.

the ML really then reflects about his own experience of how his father left and how that made him feel at his grandparents house and he is able to see what his niece might be experience and understand why she was acting out. because she keeps drawing flowers, he will get these cutters to cut carrot in the shape of flowers for her. he cuts himself a few times but manges to do them.

she is asleep in the hospital room and so he just puts the box beside her bed and then falls asleep on the chair next to her bed. when she wakes in the middle of the night, she sees him and then sees the lunch box. she eats the carrots slowly and then goes back to sleep. next morning, he wakes up all groggy and sees kiddo is already awake. he opens the lunch box to show her and is surprised to see she has already eaten. a small smile appears on his face. she then just says, "uncle I am hungry" and he nods and says, "yea, I will get you breakfast" -- the first real conversation they have.

the episode/drama ends there. even though I watched it years ago, I really enjoyed it and liked the story. so I don't think a journey to fatherhood and dealing with past traumas have to be so silly and cringeworthy like they are doing with viaan.

it can be as simple as having a ML do carrot flowers for his niece and finding a piece of himself and also figuring out what fatherhood means. sometimes that is far more memorable for a viewer.

Exactly, Mango. The whole baby track is too contrived to watch. I a😡m not even sure which audience they are catering to. What if somebody doesn’t like babies, this show will totally put them off. Where is the balance? To be a good man, liking babies is zaroori hain kya He has already befriended Aarav, and being a good friend/confidante to him, stoking his self esteem and confidence, yeh kaaphi nahin hain to be a good father and a good partner, if this is what they are trying to get at. If the writers or makers, think that a cooing baby and a cooing Viaan makes women watching this nonsense salivate, they got another thing coming😡 There is absolutely nothing cute about it. I want them to show Reet doing the same things Viaan is doing and tell us it is cute. Somehow, they feel that a guy doing all the parenting stuff is a novelty, he went above and beyond a guy should be doing for a baby and is therefore cute🤬 I may be reading too much into this, but why isn’t Dodo or Phalguni behen rearing a young boy who is in no way related to them, not put at the same level as Viaan cooing after the baby😡

Wow! It is a heartwarming story, Mango😭. That is what happens in real life na, that nobody goes for a brain transplant, but either learn or become fond of babies/children with time and the process is natural. The bond between a father child can be shown beautifully with none of this cheesy, OTT crap. Look at Silsila 1, you will fall in love with that father-child bond when the ML treats the child as more than his own and the child turns to him when she needs comfort from the world and her own mother❤️ Or Humsafar ( I don’t want to give it away for Shalzie ), but the most heartwarming interactions between the child and father where the father gets to know his estranged child with awe, longing and guilt😭 You fall for those characters who have true integrity woven into their fiber.

Yahaan toh, nothing touches your soul. Why the hell is he taking notes on the phone? Does he need to know the theory for an exam? If the writers think that this reflects his sincerity, then, they are nuts😡Too contrived for my liking. All the while, I am thinking, Katha don’t you have a young child at home who is alone?

They are treating Katha’s rejection as a joke, as if she is a small child who doesn’t know what is good for her😡 Everybody seems to be patronizing her, to try out Viaan😡WTH🤢If Viaan ko apne doston ke Saath filter nahin, toh, he should have told them his blackest deeds too, right? His proposal and execution of the ONS🤬 If he thinks that is personal, then how the hell doesn’t he think that Katha’s rejection and thoughts in his matter are as personal for her? And the preaching by everyone including Amrita who just met her, is 🤬

Look at Ehsan, when Katha goes to him to think in her shoes, he still lectures her vouching about Viaan😡She talks about her fear of pushing him over the cliff by stirring up unwanted emotions, and he preaches her about the goodness, integrity of Viaan😡Not sure why they keep saying Viaan hated women. No, he picked on the vibes and judged “some” women prematurely. He didn’t hate Teji, Farah, Jenny, Nivedita and Jeetu bhai’s wife whoever she was and now they tell us he is jigar ka dost with Amrita. He hated both his dad and Seema Dutta, not just women😡

I just want to see all these faces ( Ehsan, Amrita, Dodo, Jeetu Bhai and co……) who vouched for Viaan when they reveal that he proposed and went along with the ONS. I am not saying Katha is not part of it, that is besides the point. Because all these people keep singing praises from the rooftop, I want a gutsy FL to say, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU GUYS’ DO about Viaan😡🤬💔 I know, in my la-la land🐷

Edited by mili9 - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: kushikumari

Couldn’t agree more. I stopped writing about his obsession because it made me mad that writers thought it was cute. These are the kind of people who can take it beyond and do some crazy stuff, either to themselves or to the victim. And no matter what, Katha is the victim. She might be shown to get away by ignoring or reasoning because she is the FL, but there are plenty of Kathas in the world who suffer through it.
I fail to see which part of this story is better. There is no family bonding, sense of humor or spontaneity, no deep reasoning that we are privy to.. people are running around like a headless chicken doing whatever takes their fancy at the moment. No rules, nothing.

Thank you for introducing me to Tahir. What a fantastic actor and what a beautiful character he portrays 🤩

I am beginning to think this way too, Khushi. In which way is this show any better than others? At least in the others, toxic or not, there is some coherence🤔. Twisted hi sahi, kuch toh logic hoga. Yahaan par like you said, no humor, no story, no continuity, no relationship feels between family members, no dhamaka waala drama, NADA.

Haan toxicity nahin hain overtly, but where is the scope for toxicity, when the writers just show anecdotes that fancy them. When there is a story, there is a plot, there is a toxicity to suit them😡 Under the surface, there is plenty of toxicity with the ML and his troops pursuing Katha despite her repeated rejection😡

So, why am I watching this? To rant like this, this is the best part of watching is the forum. Love these discussions👍🏼🤡

Edited by mili9 - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango.falooda

and we don't have villains. where are the villains stirring up drama? smiley36 sometimes, it really does feel like random vlogs/diary entries because nothing happens. I am still keeping my fingers crossed that mr pyramid will come back.

and I am no longer excited about this love story because of the nonsense they have shown. it doesn't feel organic that 30+ characters fall in love this way. should she need persuasion to consider him romantically? doesn't a 30+ woman know her own mind? this isn't product that needs to be sold. so why this kind of emotional pressure because everyone wants viaan to be happy. what about her? so yea, in real life, such emotional pressure is very unpleasant whether it is in the arranged marriage market or just some guy proposing.

and why does falling in love for him change his personality? one of the reasons why people are persuaded to marry young is that the older you get, teh harder it is to adjust because people are set in their ways. instead, we had viaan go through such a drastic transformation that he has lost a core part of himself -- keeping his boundaries and self-respect. now, he knows neither.

am so glad that you are enjoying tahir and the drama. 🤗 he really is like the black sea that he describes and loves -- wild, honest and totally relentless. it is so fantastic to see old-fashioned rural type father bonding -- fishing, climbing trees.. nothing over the top but just keeping it simple and still showing how tahir and yigit bond so well. and I love that tahir is good but will not let anyone walk all over him. so yea, fantastic actor and beautiful charcter.

This is IT👏Katha may have 101 reasons not to be with Viaan or she may have 1. These people are not privy to the WHY and yet, they keep telling her not to miss the Viaan boat😡

And the constant singing of his praises about "bettering himself" for her😡 There is something fundamentally wrong with this statement itself. Karlo bhai, whatever you want to do. Why does she need to know a day to day update on how he is improving himself? That pressure they are putting a single, hardworking woman is despicable🤬

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Originally posted by: mili9

I am beginning to think this way too, Khushi. In which way is this show any better than others? At least in the others, toxic or not, there is some coherence🤔. Twisted hi sahi, kuch toh logic hoga. Yahaan par like you said, no humor, no story, no continuity, no relationship feels between family members, no dhamaka waala drama, NADA.

Haan toxicity nahin hain overtly, but where is the scope for toxicity, when the writers just show anecdotes that fancy them. When there is a story, there is a plot, there is a toxicity to suit them😡 Under the surface, there is plenty of toxicity with the ML and his troops pursuing Katha despite her repeated rejection😡

So, why am I watching this? To rant like this, this is the best part of watching is the forum. Love these discussions👍🏼🤡

yea, we are in this weird position where we want to keep watching because we enjoyed it initially and we love the discussions but it is harder to say anything when it is either boring or nonsensical. at least with a toxic serial, there is lot of chatter. just see tere bin on PK channel which is on its 100+ DT. 😆

but I just saw that bade achhe lagte hain 3 is starting and is a finite run for only 3 months. so I might check it out just to see if there is another drama to watch and chat about. lets see.

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Originally posted by: mili9

Exactly, Mango. The whole baby track is too contrived to watch. I a😡m not even sure which audience they are catering to. What if somebody doesn’t like babies, this show will totally put them off. Where is the balance? To be a good man, liking babies is zaroori hain kya He has already befriended Aarav, and being a good friend/confidante to him, stoking his self esteem and confidence, yeh kaaphi nahin hain to be a good father and a good partner, if this is what they are trying to get at. If the writers or makers, think that a cooing baby and a cooing Viaan makes women watching this nonsense salivate, they got another thing coming😡 There is absolutely nothing cute about it. I want them to show Reet doing the same things Viaan is doing and tell us it is cute. Somehow, they feel that a guy doing all the parenting stuff is a novelty, he went above and beyond a guy should be doing for a baby and is therefore cute🤬 I may be reading too much into this, but why isn’t Dodo or Phalguni behen rearing a young boy who is in no way related to them, not put at the same level as Viaan cooing after the baby😡

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I just want to see all these faces ( Ehsan, Amrita, Dodo, Jeetu Bhai and co……) who vouched for Viaan when they reveal that he proposed and went along with the ONS. I am not saying Katha is not part of it, that is besides the point. Because all these people keep singing praises from the rooftop, I want a gutsy FL to say, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU GUYS’ DO about Viaan😡🤬💔 I know, in my la-la land🐷

I don't know who is enjoying it but I am certainly not. I was gagging at the promo where katha is so impressed that viaan seems to be good with babies despite hating his father. as if. my expectations are low but I would love for viaan to turn all crazy and psycho after he discovers the truth about his parents and katha to be shocked that there is another side.

but the makers are determined to make everyone angels. so katha won't even push back with force when people are canvassing for viaan. why can't she say -- "I am sorry but please don't cross your boundaries. I don't care if viaan is improving or not but he has no right to hope because I clearly said no and none of you should be encouraging him."

Edited by mango.falooda - 2 years ago
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Mango ji grass is always greener on the other side 😆 🤣 in TB land RN only head banging 🤪because of only 2 episodes a week.

Imagine subscribing for a romantic drama only to be given 🍭 and rest is all ML 😈 cousin evilness overload, top it with each episode having 20 FB scenes😭the only respite there's the DT is much vibrant than the serial itself.🤣🤣

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

yea, we are in this weird position where we want to keep watching because we enjoyed it initially and we love the discussions but it is harder to say anything when it is either boring or nonsensical. at least with a toxic serial, there is lot of chatter. just see tere bin on PK channel which is on its 100+ DT. 😆

but I just saw that bade achhe lagte hain 3 is starting and is a finite run for only 3 months. so I might check it out just to see if there is another drama to watch and chat about. lets see.

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💯 👍 mili ji , in bold I want such scene where katha takes a class for all these people in line about her reasons. I was the one who supported Viaan for being persistent, but now, with all his baby sitting efforts, discussing personal matters involving others with old friends are extreme steps, it's not crossing the limits but limiting the crosses🤣

Jokes apart I Seriously want to see the story move a bit and have resolved not to watch the serial until Aarav reveal track happens.

Regarding humsafar I never liked it post their first separation, it was too dark for me to see them go separate ways.

Originally posted by: mili9

Exactly, Mango. The whole baby track is too contrived to watch. I a😡m not even sure which audience they are catering to. What if somebody doesn’t like babies, this show will totally put them off. Where is the balance? To be a good man, liking babies is zaroori hain kya He has already befriended Aarav, and being a good friend/confidante to him, stoking his self esteem and confidence, yeh kaaphi nahin hain to be a good father and a good partner, if this is what they are trying to get at. If the writers or makers, think that a cooing baby and a cooing Viaan makes women watching this nonsense salivate, they got another thing coming😡 There is absolutely nothing cute about it. I want them to show Reet doing the same things Viaan is doing and tell us it is cute. Somehow, they feel that a guy doing all the parenting stuff is a novelty, he went above and beyond a guy should be doing for a baby and is therefore cute🤬 I may be reading too much into this, but why isn’t Dodo or Phalguni behen rearing a young boy who is in no way related to them, not put at the same level as Viaan cooing after the baby😡

Wow! It is a heartwarming story, Mango😭. That is what happens in real life na, that nobody goes for a brain transplant, but either learn or become fond of babies/children with time and the process is natural. The bond between a father child can be shown beautifully with none of this cheesy, OTT crap. Look at Silsila 1, you will fall in love with that father-child bond when the ML treats the child as more than his own and the child turns to him when she needs comfort from the world and her own mother❤️ Or Humsafar ( I don’t want to give it away for Shalzie ), but the most heartwarming interactions between the child and father where the father gets to know his estranged child with awe, longing and guilt😭 You fall for those characters who have true integrity woven into their fiber.

Yahaan toh, nothing touches your soul. Why the hell is he taking notes on the phone? Does he need to know the theory for an exam? If the writers think that this reflects his sincerity, then, they are nuts😡Too contrived for my liking. All the while, I am thinking, Katha don’t you have a young child at home who is alone?

They are treating Katha’s rejection as a joke, as if she is a small child who doesn’t know what is good for her😡 Everybody seems to be patronizing her, to try out Viaan😡WTH🤢If Viaan ko apne doston ke Saath filter nahin, toh, he should have told them his blackest deeds too, right? His proposal and execution of the ONS🤬 If he thinks that is personal, then how the hell doesn’t he think that Katha’s rejection and thoughts in his matter are as personal for her? And the preaching by everyone including Amrita who just met her, is 🤬

Look at Ehsan, when Katha goes to him to think in her shoes, he still lectures her vouching about Viaan😡She talks about her fear of pushing him over the cliff by stirring up unwanted emotions, and he preaches her about the goodness, integrity of Viaan😡Not sure why they keep saying Viaan hated women. No, he picked on the vibes and judged “some” women prematurely. He didn’t hate Teji, Farah, Jenny, Nivedita and Jeetu bhai’s wife whoever she was and now they tell us he is jigar ka dost with Amrita. He hated both his dad and Seema Dutta, not just women😡

I just want to see all these faces ( Ehsan, Amrita, Dodo, Jeetu Bhai and co……) who vouched for Viaan when they reveal that he proposed and went along with the ONS. I am not saying Katha is not part of it, that is besides the point. Because all these people keep singing praises from the rooftop, I want a gutsy FL to say, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU GUYS’ DO about Viaan😡🤬💔 I know, in my la-la land🐷

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Originally posted by: Rsrockz

💯 👍 mili ji , in bold I want such scene where katha takes a class for all these people in line about her reasons. I was the one who supported Viaan for being persistent, but now, with all his baby sitting efforts, discussing personal matters involving others with old friends are extreme steps, it's not crossing the limits but limiting the crosses🤣

Jokes apart I Seriously want to see the story move a bit and have resolved not to watch the serial until Aarav reveal track happens.

Regarding humsafar I never liked it post their first separation, it was too dark for me to see them go separate ways.

Why? 😳😳 Aarav too is a good boy. He will also ask his mom to marry Viaan. And then glorify Viaan’s goodness. No dhamaka here, same lines different faces.

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Mili, I am still far away from watching this ep but from personal experience, it's very triggering when people act as if they know better than you and lecture you, and/or even take the side of the other party without knowing all the facts.


I agree that the makers have gone over the top with this baby track. I found it weird when Viaan started googling about it. I love Google but it cannot tell you about ehsaas. Aarav is 8 years old. How will Viaan relate the experience of looking after Keith's baby on dealing with Aarav?


The show has lost a core essence by neglecting the relationship between Katha and Aarav. We loved this show because of the bond between Katha and Aarav, and for Viaan's intensity. None can be seen nowadays. In fact, it feels like Katha is more interested in mothering Viaan. I do not like such unbalanced relationships. They should be equals and compensate for each other's shortcomings.


I read somewhere that cricket season affects ITV. Is the cricket still on? Is this the reason for stretching the baby angle?


As for Humsafar, I have pressed pause in watching PTV shows. After our previous show, I did not want to go through another experience where characters deviate from their natural progression and suddenly adopt a persona which doesn't click or even make sense but this happened again. I have lost faith in ITV and PTV shows. How will society get better when they are constantly subjected to moral decadence? Marriage is sacred to me. It has become a joke on TV. Neither makers nor audience seem to care. PHs churn out crap shows and TRP aunties tune in to watch. I also do not understand why men are shown in such negative light in shows. Not all men are bad. Not all men let themselves be ruled by their ego. Not all men are cheaters. Sorry I deviated from the main topic.

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