ML's hero complex??? - Page 3

Originally posted by: durga33

I agree. And it's sad because indian tv shows fall victim to these type of storytelling. Which is why I don't at all watch indian tv shows. Will there ever be an indian tv shows that have the guts to show a male and female lead moving on from each other and going into a new relationship? Will there be a version of a female lead of the modern times? One who doesn't wear sarees all the time and want to get married. Will they be bold to show more organic love scenes with the audiences?There is a lot of stereotypes in indian tv that has to break. The question is who have the guts to do it? If someone dares try the audience rejects it because they have become accustomed to seeing one narrative play out on tv over and over again. It doesn't bother me seeing couples make and break on tv because I mostly watch american tv and movies. Yea people get upset when a couple breaks up especially if it's popular but it's not like indian audience where they actually trend to get back the couple together. This show the ML committed sins and mistakes but there are those section of the audience who claims because he "love" her. Love is loosely thrown around in this show. It's a shame that the FL ended up back with the ML. Most people would reject this.

Haha.. I don't watch Indian shows either. Actually this was my first Indian show in 7 years. And I seemed to have drawn the short end of the stick with this one. It was everything I hated. Over the top acting. And ridiculous costumes. Total misrepresentation of the bengali community. Mediocre dialogues. Overdone tropes. And the jewel in the crown of garbage, a toxic love story. I was slumming it with KZK2 all because I wanted to relive my childhood and I landed in the sewer for my nostalgia. If there's one thing kzk2 gave me, it is the lesson that I should stay the hell away from ITV serials.

Will ITV ever change? Who knows? With the digital platform and good web series being made in our country, maybe the younger generation will stop watching these stupid shows all together. Or maybe these production houses will smell the coffee and we'll finally get good content.

One consolation I have is that this show was a failure. It did not generate the success it was expected to generate. And the channel, the production house, the writers, the directors, the actors know that it was a failure.

True. One of the primary reasons the show couldnt connect with me at all. I mean it is one thing for makers to push a person as hero or ML. But altogether another thing when a person, whose actions literally makes him a zero, tries to push himself as hero. Leads like Anurags despise me to the core.

But to be honest, this garbage show also didnt have any story to begin with. Same accident, kidnapping, hospital, jail, marriage mandap, extra marital affair and 1 day reunions. Anyways, I haven't seen a shallower show than KZK2 in my entire life and I am sure will not see any as I dont watch garbages. Yeh toh KZK2 was basking in the glory of KZK1 which I am a fan of, otherwise who cares.

Originally posted by: durga33

also when a male lead starts getting possessive and display some gestures of masculinity they are people or should I say females who view this as sexy and romantic or love. Which is not. In real relationship when a male starts stalking, getting possessive and insecure of their partner it starts to become toxic and suffocating that the female has to leave. In this show it's quite the opposite and that's because part of the audience and online fandom actually enjoys this sadly. this is so sad but true. possessiveness is seen as a romantic trait that's often glorified, not just on TV but also on the silver screen, thankfully it's diminishing on the latter & here's hoping it'll dimish on ITV soon (doesn't seem likely yet 🤔).

Originally posted by: aryapdane

Haha.. I don't watch Indian shows either. Actually this was my first Indian show in 7 years. And I seemed to have drawn the short end of the stick with this one. It was everything I hated. Over the top acting. And ridiculous costumes. Total misrepresentation of the bengali community. Mediocre dialogues. Overdone tropes. And the jewel in the crown of garbage, a toxic love story. I was slumming it with KZK2 all because I wanted to relive my childhood and I landed in the sewer for my nostalgia. If there's one thing kzk2 gave me, it is the lesson that I should stay the hell away from ITV serials.

Will ITV ever change? Who knows? With the digital platform and good web series being made in our country, maybe the younger generation will stop watching these stupid shows all together. Or maybe these production houses will smell the coffee and we'll finally get good content.

One consolation I have is that this show was a failure. It did not generate the success it was expected to generate. And the channel, the production house, the writers, the directors, the actors know that it was a failure.

Originally posted by: Brule

It is an important issue you raise with the last line of your post - women needing partners who enable and celebrate their success.

I haven’t seen a lot of the show but for the last atrocious track. I am not sure if the ML had a savior complex. So I will keep it generic to ITV in most of this post.

But for the second part, this show just flipped the perspectives of the leads, making it Anurag centric rather than Prerna centric. They missed a step here, most ITV shows are female-centric with so many monologues for the FL, people voicing their thoughts, other characters making sense of their actions. Maybe the producers and the channels just assume that women want to see women's perspectives and provide the TRP there.

Rarely ITV characters and dialogues have the depth which warrants to be taken seriously in real life. Erica.s previous show and her role was one such exception. For me that she had to this shabbily written character after that one is itself is a downgrade for her. It is also true for society - The majority of Men get away with almost everything while the women struggle for the basics. Young impressionable girls watching ITV should just not look at it as a teaching mechanism, be it the love stories or marrying rich or the MIL who is a devil incarnate.

The apologizing part really got my goat in this show. Till the penultimate episode, there was none, nada, zilch. Maybe they were saving it all for the end to lead up to a crescendo. But a sincere apology to a loved one doesn’t make you less of a man, which ITV just doesn’t get. It is as if the women who suffered receive an apology it will somehow diminish the extent of their suffering.

Teaching the impressionable minds of today that realizing your mistakes is important is not something ITV focuses on. That no means no and nothing else, is such an important life lesson for all men and women, but all that is shown on TV (not this show, at least not in the part I saw) is all is okay since you love the person. This is exactly the logic stalkers, acid-throwers, and eve-teasers use against women and believe it to be right and acceptable. I hope a production house like Balaji tries to take a lead on this, EK is doing that in her movies, she sure has the clout to replicate this on TV as well.

👏👏👏there's nothing i can add here, you've articulated all the points so beautifully.

Originally posted by: aryapdane

The biggest problem I have with our shows or movies is this obsession of a happy ending. We don't care what happens throughout the movie or show if the hero and heroine unites in the end.

We have romanticized romance so much that the type of love that is shown on our TV sets is totally different from what love means and represents in the real world. On one hand, I understand why we are so hostile to the possibility of the hero and heroine moving on with someone else. We have invested emotions in our ships and we need to see it sail. I understand it. I'm guilty of it. But that is hardly what happens in real life. People fall out of love. They move on. And this aspect of love needs to be represented as well otherwise people will continue to force themselves to stay in a relationship that is no longer fulfilling to them or has just turned toxic. I am just tired of the narrative that love can only happen once. That there is just one 'true love'. There are couples who are blessed by the heavens and they can never do any wrong to each other because they are meant to be. I am tired of seeing this divine form of love on TV because I don't see it anywhere in real life. What I see instead is people who work hard on their relationships, people who communicate with their partners, people who make mistakes, who sometimes get over the aftermath of those mistakes and who sometimes don't, people who struggle and endure heartbreak and discover that they can love again because love is what human beings are made of. It is our nature to love. I am so done with divinity. I want to see humanity and human stories now. 👏you articulate points so beautifully. i read somewhere that a true soulmate is one who works hard day & night, alongside their partner, to create their heaven on earth. that is poignant to me. everything needs hard work & dedication to prosper & grow. if only one puts all the effort in & the other doesn't... well that bicycle is going nowhere then. (apologise for the crappy metaphor)

I'm guilty of wanting or liking the idea of a truly romantic, earth shattering romance existing but understand that real life is different. you can show this type of romance on ITV but you should also show realistic aspects of love & relationships as well. the closest KZK had got to it was Moloy & Mohini 🙄

also not everyone's first relationship or marriage works out, does that mean they should give up & resign themselves to a life of loneliness? absolutely not. there odds nothing wrong with moving on & finding love again. it's called 'being human'

Originally posted by: aryapdane

Hard agree on everything you said.

@bold-- I have been baffled by this constant comment that regressive content sells because people have a demand for it. Well, if the law that supply should meet the demand is true, surely we need to consider the law that every product creates its own demand. What I am trying to say using ill thought economics analogies is that until very recently the same was being said of Bollywood movies. People said that we only want to see over the top masala movies and don't care for a well written story. However it just took few courageous film makers to make movies that did not fulfill the masala movie genre and now we see a trend where well made movies with good scripts are doing well on box office than masala movies which are helmed by the biggest stars. It debunked the myth that only stars sell movies. Now quality is the parameter. completely agree with you here. there are a few shows i could name that go against the narrative of the typical angry ML & 'abla nari' FL that are finding good success hence proving the theory that if it's good enough people will watch & support.

And the same could become true for TV as well. I'm not even asking for a dramatic change. For starters, all production houses could just make it a policy that the female lead of their shows will not get slapped by the male lead. And if there is a slap, there will be repercussions. It won't be brushed off under the carpet with a 'sorry'. Small changes. But it could have a large impact on our population. that would be a great place to start from. showing repurcussions for the ML's abusive actions, in general, would be a great innovation for the industry. as new platforms are being introduced, with greater & better content based shows being consumed, ITV needs this kind of innovation to survive successfully. it is also the medium in which the majority of the population, especially rural, is reached so an emphasis on the kind of message being presented is paramount.

@aryapadane & @durga33

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention it here but here goes. i watched a show a while back called Udaan (don't know if youve heard of it) that showed exactly what you were asking. it started off with child actors but then took a leap of several years. fast forward & the main FL (there were 4 leads) was strong, witty, intelligent & often the one to save the day including the MLs.

she originally fell in love with the postive ML (married the other one... don't ask 😆) but then noticed the other guy had changed, helped him & feel in love with him & moved on. despite the show having 2 MLs, she was the one out- smarting the villan & saving everyone. it was phenomenal 🥳it completed 2/3 successful years post-leap. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A FL LIKE HER, EVER 🤩

it had everything, strong FL, postive ML, character growth & most important moving on in love. it was on Colors, i highly recommend you watch it.

Originally posted by: oa2019

@aryapadane & @durga33

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention it here but here goes. i watched a show a while back called Udaan (don't know if youve heard of it) that showed exactly what you were asking. it started off with child actors but then took a leap of several years. fast forward & the main FL (there were 4 leads) was strong, witty, intelligent & often the one to save the day including the MLs.

she originally fell in love with the postive ML (married the other one... don't ask 😆) but then noticed the other guy had changed, helped him & feel in love with him & moved on. despite the show having 2 MLs, she was the one out- smarting the villan & saving everyone. it was phenomenal 🥳it completed 2/3 successful years post-leap. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A FL LIKE HER, EVER 🤩

it had everything, strong FL, postive ML, character growth & most important moving on in love. it was on Colors, i highly recommend you watch it.

Absolutely. The people who watch the Netflixes and the Primes are an audience class the ITV shows just don’t appeal to. Why not make finite meaningful shows maybe even seasonal formats instead of these TV shows which go on forever. This concept of forever will make the characters inconsistent, and the reliance on TRP via fandoms of actors.

Any form of violence on TV should not be appreciated, with men and women. TV is such a powerful medium to dispel stereotypes but it is like no one is willing to try. Probably they look for an incentive or a regulation from the government else they all just let the status quo be. Holding a mirror up to society hinders commercial interests and nowadays the fine line of political balance one needs to maintain.

Originally posted by: aryapdane

Hard agree on everything you said.

@bold-- I have been baffled by this constant comment that regressive content sells because people have a demand for it. Well, if the law that supply should meet the demand is true, surely we need to consider the law that every product creates its own demand. What I am trying to say using ill thought economics analogies is that until very recently the same was being said of Bollywood movies. People said that we only want to see over the top masala movies and don't care for a well written story. However it just took few courageous film makers to make movies that did not fulfill the masala movie genre and now we see a trend where well made movies with good scripts are doing well on box office than masala movies which are helmed by the biggest stars. It debunked the myth that only stars sell movies. Now quality is the parameter.

And the same could become true for TV as well. I'm not even asking for a dramatic change. For starters, all production houses could just make it a policy that the female lead of their shows will not get slapped by the male lead. And if there is a slap, there will be repercussions. It won't be brushed off under the carpet with a 'sorry'. Small changes. But it could have a large impact on our population.