KZK2 TRP Discussion #1 DT note: 35,103 and 111 - Page 103

Originally posted by: Sowmya_nathan

Well it did take some time but this it was very interesting to collate entire serial TRP path.

There are many details that can be noticed if you go episode wise and also follow 2-5 weeks TRP because TRP junta can see it.

For example as you rightly said Komo 1 track with Prerna at Basu Badi won TRPs but same so called cat fight of Komo and Prerna did NOT fetch TRP

*EPI 61 to 84 for full 4 weeks there was TRP drop when snoozefest of Pre/Komo fight was shown.

*Same happens in Komo 2 track where all we see for long term is too much of Komo when TRP did not lift.

Only Komo 1 which was novel to even S1 story worked where Pre was seen challenging and winning.

Hence it is wrong notion that Komo always works. This is type of trend is NOT different on other ITV serials because at one level all are same.

Yes this has been abundantly clear that only the first 2 tracks have worked in favor of this show. Of the 2, the second track was the only runaway success and the reason for it was clear. It had a hit formula of the FL fighting the vamp and winning. As an added bonus the ML and FL were married, albeit in a crooked way. Trp audiences love these kind of twists. So much so that, from what I hear, this track has now been repeated in many shows. 😂

If it wa sonly komolika who brings trps the the last few weeks should've brought the maximum numbers because since the leap happened, and especially since lockdown, it's been the Komo show all the way. Even in the last few weeks we are seeing more of her than every other character.

The notion that only the villain brings trps is unique to this forum. 😆

Originally posted by: Brule

It is the easiest thing in the world to criticize and assess only what did not work. We do that ALL the time, at work, in personal lives, and where not.

I absolutely commend you for extracting this dataset for a show which you clearly care for.

The biggest success of this show is in the vigorous defense both parties do for proving their point. The showmakers/actors/nostaliga DID work for the fans, which are so passionate for the show.

That is why I think it is not possible to convince Bajaj fans that the show worked irrespective of the data. This is the same case vice-versa too, no AnuPre fan will believe that the show did not work.

We may keep holding onto our beliefs and still enjoy that the show is ending. All fandoms/fans stand to benefit except for the crew (hope they find work soon). While this post may feel philosophical, I have no intention of belittling any of the fandoms. Aren't we all free to believe what we want? The recent media circus has only taught me to agree to disagree without condecension.

Many thanks for appreciation. While my factsheet is filled with "own conclusions" i am no one stop people to believe what they want and they are free to.

But my TRP analysis gives me backing to understand what Channel did what they did purely on numbers and looking at Business Revenues.

Just the sheer fact that Both Bajaj exit in Track 1 and Viraj Exit follow same LONG TERM trend.

*They exit suddenly with no head and tail suddenly turned negative and all.

*The track brings TRPs which is 1.5-2.0 consistently for 4-5 weeks. For Bajaj it was WEEK 32 right after Swiss track got over for next 10 weeks until WEEK 43 (full freaking 12 weeks it was fall). The Slot lead was lost, which channel would agree to such revenue loss?

*Same for Viraj track it starts with WEEK 3 until WEEK 8 when TRP is between 1.5-2.0 and dropping to 1.5 in WEEK 5 when Viraj starts turning negative and when TRP does go above 2.0 he is moved out.

We can leave out favorites for some time for above, In my opinion it is sheer shrewd business strategy of Channel.

It also means that because Channel does not see merit in revenues with situation that has arisen today, they want to move out of this serial as well.

Originally posted by: Peacefulmind

Introduction of bajaj character in show dipped the trps 😃 nothing gonna explain that..

Its FACT trp viewers are not happy with new era bajaj he is rejectee badly...😆

Show ka downfall started in terms of trps coz of bajaj.

People may not like but this is fact and fate of serial. And it is no good news for all serial watchers.

To repeat what i put in my TRP thread what led to sudden curtains falling were.

*SLOT LEADERSHIP LOST and moved to SLOT 3rd by end of it

The channel lost its SLOT LEAD by end of it and Serial was also NO more in TOP 2 affecting Revenues/ viewership for PH/ Channel.

*CHANNEL TOP 3/ 4 (Lost it to YRKKH, YRHPK, Divya Dhristi) from TOPMOST from previous track.

It never came back to topmost later.

*THE TRACK WITH CONSISTENT BELOW 2 TRPS.

It was the only track for 2018 and 2019 was Bajaj track when TRP constantly was below 2.0.

*TRPs below 2.0: 15/ 20 WEEKS. Worst Performing track since start (one year complete by end of it) and Year 2019. Blame this track to bring KZK2 between 1.5-2.0 range consistently for 1st time.

*MOVED OUT OVERALL TOP 10 and in 11-20

In Summary this track killed the cash cow of Star Plus TV serial coming from previous track. No wonder the Channel was ruthless to exit the track due save business revenues.

Originally posted by: Soanz.19

Awesome analysis @amigos👏👏👏hats off to you!!! Someone was asking me yesterday on what basis I'm saying that the TRPs of this show hovered between 1.1-2 most of the times. They should refer to this post to get an idea about what people are saying. Trying to dismiss the facts and making this show to be some blockbuster on the ratings chart is a futile attempt as these are numbers we are talking about and they don't lie😆

As per my analysis this conclusion of 1.1-2.0 TRP is completely WRONG.

2018

*TRPs above 2.0: 13/ 14 WEEKS it ran for 2018

2019

*TRPs above 2.0: 4 / 9 WEEKS

*TRPs above 2.0: 14/ 14 WEEKS it ran (Komo 1 Track)

*TRPs above 2.0: 5/ 20 WEEKS (Bajaj 1 Track) 2019

*TRPs above 2.0: 5/ 9 WEEKS (Memory Loss Track)

2020

*TRPs above 2.0: 4/ 12 WEEKS 2020

So out of total 78 weeks it hit 45 weeks (60%) TRP was 2.0+ and only for remaining 33 weeks(40%) it was 1.5-2.0. Guess what the record for 1.5-2.0 TRP is held by Bajaj track for straight 15 weeks!

Even within 1.5-2.0 it mostly hovered below 2.0 like 1.9/1.8/1.7 most of times.

It only hit 1.1-1.5 in Post Covid times in Jul onwards.

Originally posted by: Sowmya_nathan

People may not like but this is fact and fate of serial. And it is no good news for all serial watchers.

To repeat what i put in my TRP thread what led to sudden curtains falling were.

*SLOT LEADERSHIP LOST and moved to SLOT 3rd by end of it

The channel lost its SLOT LEAD by end of it and Serial was also NO more in TOP 2 affecting Revenues/ viewership for PH/ Channel.

*CHANNEL TOP 3/ 4 (Lost it to YRKKH, YRHPK, Divya Dhristi) from TOPMOST from previous track.

It never came back to topmost later.

*THE TRACK WITH CONSISTENT BELOW 2 TRPS.

It was the only track for 2018 and 2019 was Bajaj track when TRP constantly was below 2.0.

*TRPs below 2.0: 15/ 20 WEEKS. Worst Performing track since start (one year complete by end of it) and Year 2019. Blame this track to bring KZK2 between 1.5-2.0 range consistently for 1st time.

*MOVED OUT OVERALL TOP 10 and in 11-20

In Summary this track killed the cash cow of Star Plus TV serial coming from previous track. No wonder the Channel was ruthless to exit the track due save business revenues.

Hey i never look into trps much.. Just for fun, i comment in trp thread as it eill be funn for me ... But to summarize it all trps dnt go with weekly basis as per me...

Show dipped huge from 3 to 1.6 with bajajs introduction..

I said when bajaj introduced trp was 2.2 highest coz ppl were curious as anupre were wedded surely anurg will stop marriage as dream sequence of anurag stopping marriage was hyped... Once marriage was done ppl started withdrawing from show.. Even bajajs exit dint get trp 😕 but komolika death track got highest ever trp.. Even naveen babu track got good trp..

And it never worked post that till memory loss track started and prerna again married to anurag and trps went upto 2.3

But post leap again bajaj ka aana dipped it..

FAcT is bajaj tracks failed the show... Its zamaana of sautan sautan shows tjese days..

Ppl have earlier rejected ektas show in 2007 to 2008 as ektas FLs were very progressive.. That concept was washed away and from their on almost all PH other than balaji has come with ek hee pathi concept..

May be ekta wanted her decade old formula multiple marriages experiment tobe reintroduced again...

But audience rejected ittttt...

I wanna say its not Bajaj actually which is rejected its marriage of prerna to bajaj which made audience run away from this show...

If ekta had not experimented this would have not happened

Star network is a tough task master, EK as well. So if they keep running or promoting a show they know more than what we as viewers know I.e. The TRP. The TRP business, however non transparent works for the business stakeholders. I agree with your premise, everything is based on some logic and trends. Shows are assets for the channel and the prodcution house. It will run till it makes business sense and cut their losses when it doesn't. We can safely assume that commercials alone drive the business for the channel. The production can have favourites but if they don't get the TRP, will someone as shrewd as EK have them contracted forever? I don't think so.

I have no skin in the game here, no Anupre or BajajPre for me. I haven't even seen the bold tracks you mentioned to comment on them. Personally, I am not equipped to pass a judgement on the show's perceived success or failure.

I see ardent fans putting in their time to justify/debase fictional characters. That for me is a win right there.

Originally posted by: Sowmya_nathan

Many thanks for appreciation. While my factsheet is filled with "own conclusions" i am no one stop people to believe what they want and they are free to.

But my TRP analysis gives me backing to understand what Channel did what they did purely on numbers and looking at Business Revenues.

Just the sheer fact that Both Bajaj exit in Track 1 and Viraj Exit follow same LONG TERM trend.

*They exit suddenly with no head and tail suddenly turned negative and all.

*The track brings TRPs which is 1.5-2.0 consistently for 4-5 weeks. For Bajaj it was WEEK 32 right after Swiss track got over for next 10 weeks until WEEK 43 (full freaking 12 weeks it was fall). The Slot lead was lost, which channel would agree to such revenue loss?

*Same for Viraj track it starts with WEEK 3 until WEEK 8 when TRP is between 1.5-2.0 and dropping to 1.5 in WEEK 5 when Viraj starts turning negative and when TRP does go above 2.0 he is moved out.

We can leave out favorites for some time for above, In my opinion it is sheer shrewd business strategy of Channel.

It also means that because Channel does not see merit in revenues with situation that has arisen today, they want to move out of this serial as well.

Originally posted by: Sowmya_nathan

As per my analysis this conclusion of 1.1-2.0 TRP is completely WRONG.

2018

*TRPs above 2.0: 13/ 14 WEEKS it ran for 2018

2019

*TRPs above 2.0: 4 / 9 WEEKS

*TRPs above 2.0: 14/ 14 WEEKS it ran (Komo 1 Track)

*TRPs above 2.0: 5/ 20 WEEKS (Bajaj 1 Track) 2019

*TRPs above 2.0: 5/ 9 WEEKS (Memory Loss Track)

2020

*TRPs above 2.0: 4/ 12 WEEKS 2020

So out of total 78 weeks it hit 45 weeks (60%) TRP was 2.0+ and only for remaining 33 weeks(40%) it was 1.5-2.0. Guess what the record for 1.5-2.0 TRP is held by Bajaj track for straight 15 weeks!

Even within 1.5-2.0 it mostly hovered below 2.0 like 1.9/1.8/1.7 most of times.

It only hit 1.1-1.5 in Post Covid times in Jul onwards.

Also, I know a lot of people love the initial tracks of this show, but trust me when I say this, the entire PH/creative team was in panic because they were unable to bring in the numbers and there was constant meddling from the channel which was unhappy and very dictatorial post the NV track. Is show ke sabse meaty tracks didn't bring in numbers. And, so began the creative's fixation with Komolika and this show's downfall.

My interest in this show is circumstantial at best, but as far as I can tell, the show picked up a major quarter of its audience in the post komolika anurag wedding and Prerna entering BB track. As far as I, the viewer, is concerned, this phase with its dramatic polygamous arcs and what not was definitely a far cry from the show's more subtle, softer, more logical tracks before and after(comparatively obviously). That means a different kind of audience obviously found this track interesting and jumped on the bandwagon. I think then to shift gears again in terms of both the feel of the show, the tracks, the mood and writing, it would've been impossible to hold onto the audience that was looking for more theatrics, expected anurag/prerna to stay married/etc.

KZK is a colossal mess. A concoction of bad writing, and reading its audience wrong. It should've catered to the audience that worked for it. The one that came with the dhaaga marriage track. I found vibes of that track in the initial memory loss track and in those terms that setting, that level of almost supernatural drama/the trio worked well for this show because that entire set up is the one to bring in the most watchers.

The show should've stuck to anupre as married this season. Marriage WITH separation is a concept that 90% itv shows churn out anyway. As is said and done, I don't think ANY character can be blamed to take this show down. This show wasn't spectacular. Not storywise and definitely not number wise. Bajaj did not bring a drastic change to the show either. It was already getting those same slots/ranks before the dhaaga marriage track, even worse at a lot of points. This show just didn't utilize its own winning formula and made a mess of everything.

Plus Bajaj1 and prerna hardly had any flying sindoor/suhaagan morchas of their own. There was no story there. No waters were tested. The comparisons are futile. The blaming is even more futile. Bajaj was never the lead of KZK, neither was he given that status/importance/symbolism. He was masala/and later backup.

Although with all said, done, and seen, he wasn't needed this season.

As an audience, I detest the entire dhaaga marriage track for my own reasons, but if this show had found a winning formula with that level of drama/genre/shenanigans then it should've stuck to it.

As my friend says, even a private arrangementesque kind of setting would've done wonders for the story. A married couple, completely estranged, living on two different continents and then coming face to face and fighting their hatred/bigotry/attraction whatever. Is show ki sirf iski writing leke dubi hai. That's it. 😆

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

My interest in this show is circumstantial at best, but as far as I can tell, the show picked up a major quarter of its audience in the post komolika anurag wedding and Prerna entering BB track. As far as I, the viewer, is concerned, this phase with its dramatic polygamous arcs and what not was definitely a far cry from the show's more subtle, softer, more logical tracks before and after(comparatively obviously). That means a different kind of audience obviously found this track interesting and jumped on the bandwagon. I think then to shift gears again in terms of both the feel of the show, the tracks, the mood and writing, it would've been impossible to hold onto the audience that was looking for more theatrics, expected anurag/prerna to stay married/etc.

KZK is a colossal mess. A concoction of bad writing, and reading its audience wrong. It should've catered to the audience that worked for it. The one that came with the dhaaga marriage track. I found vibes of that track in the initial memory loss track and in those terms that setting, that level of almost supernatural drama/the trio worked well for this show because that entire set up is the one to bring in the most watchers. agree with all your points here. the winning combo for KZK seemed to be the trio of AnuPre & Komo. 2 WIFES fighting for their HUSBAND is readily accepted by the audience, sauten/sauten drama works wonders they should have stuck with it.

The show should've stuck to anupre as married this season. Marriage WITH separation is a concept that 90% itv shows churn out anyway. As is said and done, I don't think ANY character can be blamed to take this show down. This show wasn't spectacular. Not storywise and definitely not number wise. Bajaj did not bring a drastic change to the show either unfortunate but true, they would have had more success with AnuPre vs Bajaj. It was already getting those same slots/ranks before the dhaaga marriage track, even worse at a lot of points. This show just didn't utilize its own winning formula and made a mess of everything.

Plus Bajaj1 and prerna hardly had any flying sindoor/suhaagan morchas of their own. There was no story there. No waters were tested. The comparisons are futile. The blaming is even more futile. 👏gospel truth. Audience doesn't tolerate 2 MEN fighting for a WOMAN especially if the woman is married. women are held to stricter & higher set of morals & this is a no-no. if they really wanted to see if PreRish would work they should have kept them at their respective homes forgoing the 'Ek Chath' track & provided some of the religious & cliche gimmicks to PreRish as well then the comparison would make sense. Bajaj was never the lead of KZK, neither was he given that status/importance/symbolism. He was masala/and later backup.

Although with all said, done, and seen, he wasn't needed this season. as much as i love the character, they didn't use him properly. he could have been the STRONGEST kausauti they'd face, if they kept it as AnuPre vs RB & kept him as a villan/grey characteter.

As an audience, I detest the entire dhaaga marriage track for my own reasons, they made a mockery of marriage 😔1 night they're getting divorced & the next day married to some one else. as a non-hindu it was thoroughly confusing & enough to make your head spin but if this show had found a winning formula with that level of drama/genre/shenanigans then it should've stuck to it.

As my friend says, even a private arrangementesque kind of setting would've done wonders for the story. A married couple, completely estranged, living on two different continents and then coming face to face and fighting their hatred/bigotry/attraction whatever. Is show ki sirf iski writing leke dubi hai. That's it. 😆😆couldn't agree more, badly written leads, worst characterisation of FL, virtually non-existent storyline & an EPIC waste of great talent & actors....🙄🙄🙄

@fleeting , agree completely with you. Kzk2 was hardly in top 5/top 10 in its entire run. It was always between top 15 to 20 . So when the trps of kzk2 was 2.8 or 2.5, the top show her ratings near 4 . And now when the show at the top has 3 point something ratings, kzk2 is struggling at 1.3 1.2. Khkt , yrhpk, kzk2 all have similar ratings and similar fate.

Their so called most promising and advertised track anuneprekokyunmaara fell flat n it had to. In the second epi they revealed why anurag did it ,killin the suspense element, n audience went meh after watching the ridiculous explanation 🤢 Phir se flying dupatta and sindoor kisko dekhna tha ? It was clear the old tracks will be repeated again.

https://twitter.com/TheBajaoMan/status/1309017505239891970?s=19