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Originally posted by: bashful_moon

Lets not go around in circles please... You glorified Ravan is my opinion, especially when you tried to establish him as someone with boundaries and principles, when in my opinion and from whatever I have read of him tells a different tale..

You stated about Ravanas principles and boundaries in the same line as him being Lord Shiva's devotee... Right and wrong was not the argument you put forth then.

Sorry dude, I'm not a clairvoyant who can see what are the intentions of the person behind the keyboard. I was stating a fact that Ravan neither adhered to any principles nor built any boundaries when came to his lust.

I don't need to prove anything.... I'm not a forensic scientist. I wrote what has to be written, rest it is upto you whether you want these posts deleted or retain them. Please do the needful.

Peace out!!!

🤦‍♀️ 'HIS PRINCIPLES AND BOUNDARIES'

Don't quote portion of a sentence and pass it off as a statement from me and you have the right to make an opinion, it is the easiest thing one can do, I won't deter you from it.

I glorified Ravana, is your opinion. Got it 👍

Originally posted by: -simmi-

It depends what kind of principles and boundaries she was talking about maybe it was nothing to do with Parvati and Sita because I didn't took it that way. Maybe Principles and boundaries in managing his kingdom because as far as I know he was pretty good king. I thought this principles and boundaries has everything to do with the 1st paragraph not about Sita & Parvati. When you mentioned Sita and Parvati even I was confused for a moment because I didn't seet it from that POV.

And as you said perception differs some people see Ravana as god and they worship him despite him doing all those nasty things and some thought of him as demon. Peace✌️

Thank You 🤗 I was gobsmacked with the interpretation because I didn't write those two words in a positive way 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Maybe because I wrote it after a statement of him being devotee of lord Shiva was the controversial point, but I don't see Ravana as anything good or to be glorified. I was talking about Bajaj being as bad as him in real sense instead of doing these silly things and of course Bajaj having same end as him.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🤦‍♀️ 'HIS PRINCIPLES AND BOUNDARIES'

Don't quote portion of a sentence and pass it off as a statement from me and you have the right to make an opinion, it is the easiest thing one can do, I won't deter you from it.

I glorified Ravana, is your opinion. Got it 👍

@ Bold : You did, in your post...

Also in one of your previous posts, you asked me never to quote you again... Please help me do so by stop quoting me henceforth...

Peace Out!!!

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Thank You 🤗 I was gobsmacked with the interpretation because I didn't write those two words in a positive way 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Maybe because I wrote it after a statement of him being devotee of lord Shiva was the controversial point, but I don't see Ravana as anything good or to be glorified. I was talking about Bajaj being as bad as him in real sense instead of doing these silly things and of course Bajaj having same end as him.

Originally posted by: -simmi-

It depends what kind of principles and boundaries she was talking about maybe it was nothing to do with Parvati and Sita because I didn't took it that way. Maybe Principles and boundaries in managing his kingdom because as far as I know he was pretty good king. I thought this principles and boundaries has everything to do with the 1st paragraph not about Sita & Parvati. When you mentioned Sita and Parvati even I was confused for a moment because I didn't seet it from that POV.

And as you said perception differs some people see Ravana as god and they worship him despite him doing all those nasty things and some thought of him as demon. Peace✌️

Of course... a sentence can be interpreted in many ways... We agree there so no point going around in circles.

@Bold : True that... Just like we worship Lord Rama despite many questionable deeds he had done.. Leave mythology, even questionable historical figures like Hitler and Pablo Iscobar are hailed and worshiped as God among some. At the end it all boils down to perception and interpretation.

Thanks for the discussion... Peace indeed!!!

Originally posted by: -simmi-

That shows statement can be interpreted in so many different ways though I am not a fan of Ravana but I do admire his strength and wisdom and know that he was a fair king. Infact I do have many grudges with Lord Rama (though I admire him too) and that's the beauty of Sanatan Dharma it allows you to even question god and have different perceptions through stories. That's why I don't compare mythology to tv characters it create confusions. 😂

Agree with this. One can surely indulge in a debate on mythological figures and put them today's frame of mind, question their steps and interpret their actions. There are more than 500 versions of this epic from different perspective, but there's no room for discussion in accusation, one has to defend 😂😂

Originally posted by: SheAish

So what you are saying is that based on his characterization as you see it, what he said was just a savage reply and not him actually admitting trying to kill Anu in that accident? Pleas could you just give a clear answer so I don't get confused and go in circles?😆

And you are saying that had he actually wanted to kill Anu he would have already done that because he is sharp enough and has means enough to do it and get away with it?

I can agree to both these as far as this show is concerned because CVs can show anything they want.

But if you are trying to leverage that had Bajaj wanted he could have killed Anu and that accident would have killed Anu if Bajaj had really wanted, I'll say although Bajaj does try to play God, he isn't God, so all he can do is attempt and whether his attempt is successful or not is upto the lord himself...Same as far as getting away with murder is concerned. One can be the greatest scheamer, but at the end of the day taking lives away from someone is granted by god himself, so even the most successful looking attempt might not work...even a bullet to the head, or brain have many examples of survivors even in the real world and this is a serial where even the impossible is shown...

Again back to the question. IF the first attempt was actually a real one and not just play of words and a mind game, for you the fan is it justified...not Bajaj the character? Or are you only not OK with only subsequent such attempts.

BTW, If you are reluctant to answer in a straight foward way, let me ask you this....DO you feel all the murders and harm that Maya caused to others (discounting her father here) was justified? I'll get an idea of your thinking process from this if not specifically about Bajaj.

I am not at all reluctant to answer, see, my moral compass with respect to characters I like in fiction, are VERY different from what I perceive in reality. In reality, murders are gruesome as hell. But again, depends on the circumstances.

I meant, his response of deliberately running over A itself was savage. No, that accident could or could not have killed him. See, Bajaj's intention isn't still to murder him. Murderers don't stop after one failed attempt. They try, try and try to murder whoever they want to murder. IF Bajaj does that, would I still root for him? Depends on how it is portrayed.

I don't see Bajaj as a murderer, neither do I see him as a wannabe murderer. 😆 If he is a murderer or happens to have murdered his Dad, would I still root for him? Yeah, in fact I half expect him to have killed his Dad. However, with regards to Anurag, maybe A fans see it differently, and I see the same thing differently, God knows. But I don't see the murderer in him. His response to Anurag's self victimisation plan was probably extreme, but well, it showed what could be the consequences of messing with the man. You can say, "She's rooting for a murderer. Her morals suck." Or whatever. But this is it. 😆

Originally posted by: SheAish

Both Jenny and KVB were fantabulous in their anti hero villainous roles....but I hated both the characters. But both those shows were about them only and there wasn't much focus on the other positive characters to give them more substance and meat to their roles....However, I still hated both these characters and was looking forward to have them pay for their deeds. Didn't like what happened with Saubhagyavati Bhava at the end though he did end up in an asylem....The message would have been stronger had they showed her successfully leave behind what happened with Viraj and became a survivor with a new start in life....As for Maya, they way they underplayed all the other characters and made just Maya with any brain didn't sit well with me.....yes psychos are smart, but others are not brainless either and there are many smart, intelligent people who are perfectly good and able to outwit these psychos....Why can't Indian shows keep a good balance?....Urgg.

And since I watched it through the eyes of Viraj or Maya alone, and not from the point of view of Good Vs Evil, I couldn't continue watching. Coz it got too much for me to take.

Originally posted by: najma123

Answering about Maya - not really, and at some point her personality and persona had become too much for her own husband, and it was too, too, too messed up for the viewer. Maya's murders weren't justified at all, the father was killed, the mother was killed, so many others were killed. But with Maya I was torn, I really didn't want her to get caught at the same time, I wanted it known that she could do something SO extreme for whatever reasons, and she had the capabilities and the guts and the suitable moral compass for that. Not everyone can actually commit a murder, howsoever murderous one's instincts are. I wanted others to know what they were up against.

I am not at all reluctant to answer, see, my moral compass with respect to characters I like in fiction, are VERY different from what I perceive in reality. In reality, murders are gruesome as hell. But again, depends on the circumstances.

I meant, his response of deliberately running over A itself was savage. No, that accident could or could not have killed him. See, Bajaj's intention isn't still to murder him. Murderers don't stop after one failed attempt. They try, try and try to murder whoever they want to murder. IF Bajaj does that, would I still root for him? Depends on how it is portrayed.

I don't see Bajaj as a murderer, neither do I see him as a wannabe murderer. 😆 If he is a murderer or happens to have murdered his Dad, would I still root for him? Yeah, in fact I half expect him to have killed his Dad. However, with regards to Anurag, maybe A fans see it differently, and I see the same thing differently, God knows. But I don't see the murderer in him. His response to Anurag's self victimisation plan was probably extreme, but well, it showed what could be the consequences of messing with the man. You can say, "She's rooting for a murderer. Her morals suck." Or whatever. But this is it. 😆

Hey don't misunderstand me. I know many people are mature enough to take reel and real separate who ever they might find interesting and fan girl over with regards to fiction. I have seen it even in IF very closely with some of the posters.

I've seen people who have even outright hated all the positive characters and wanted Maya to totally destroy those that somehow became her victims due to triggering her somehow.. still talk very sensibly when talking about real life social issues. So I'm well aware fan girling has nothing to do with people's actual values. And your views fall nowhere even near the fans girls I'm talking about so chill dear...Maya's situation is kind of heartrending due to her backstory (which wasn't even fully revealed) though so much loss of innocent lives are involved too....People can feel empathy for characters without actually supporting their evil deeds...

I even made a post about it but it got shifted to debate mansion. If you are intersted you can have a look at my post. But I still do have an issue with portraying real social issues in a particular way in reel...but that's another debate altogether.

Your post just confused me a little so wanted to clarify that was all. And I've already told you before, I know you don't justify Bajaj' actions, you are just here for KSG.

Lets see how this track goes...

Originally posted by: SheAish

Hey don't misunderstand me. I know many people are mature enough to take reel and real separate who ever they might find interesting and fan girl over with regards to fiction. I have seen it even in IF very closely with some of the posters.

I've seen people who have even outright hated all the positive characters and wanted Maya to totally destroy those that somehow became her victims due to triggering her somehow.. still talk very sensibly when talking about real life social issues. So I'm well aware fan girling has nothing to do with people's actual values. And your views fall nowhere even near the fans girls I'm talking about so chill dear...Maya's situation is kind of heartrending due to her backstory (which wasn't even fully revealed) though so much loss of innocent lives are involved too....People can feel empathy for characters without actually supporting their evil deeds...

I even made a post about it but it got shifted to debate mansion. If you are intersted you can have a look at my post. But I still do have an issue with portraying real social issues in a particular way in reel...but that's another debate altogether.

Your post just confused me a little so wanted to clarify that was all. And I've already told you before, I know you don't justify Bajaj' actions, you are just here for KSG.

Lets see how this track goes...