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Posted: 5 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: _charu_

The only sane comment on the thread.. thanks...therr are a few others but i dont want to waste my time commenting.


@tm. I see your point and agree with you..anurag has been made like that for the last 3 or 4 months . He has nothing else to say but these few lines...Its objectification or its not..I don't know..but the last 1 week as you pointed out was horrible as he crossed all lines of sanity. However it has nothing to do with who deserves who.

Since the title wasn't clear enough, *I DESERVE HER* is Anurag's staple line in the show. I agree with the whole x deserves y is bullshit which is why I mentioned it in the first place.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

OH. ONE LAST THING.

Since MOST people missed it.

The title is really a play on Anurag's own words. Because HE TIME AND AGAIN keeps saying *I DESERVE HER* and as many of you rightly pointed out the statement itself is problematic. So thank you for that.smiley36

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Posted: 5 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I'm sorry but I'm really REALLY trying to understand how validating HIMSELF, his dreams, guilt-tripping, gaslighting her is the way to make her come back to him? YES IT'S WORKING. AND IT'S TOXIC AF! Also please tell me this! If he really thinks she's forced how is he so sure she can walk out of this on her own?

Here's how a normal person might process this.

If Prerna was forced into this, (as in being forced takes away your agency) how can I assume she can walk out of this on her own? Also if Bajaj is SO SO DERANGED and unhinged, I have to be extremely careful. Even the slightest trigger can end up harming Prerna. I wouldn't want that.

Anurag is doing just the opposite. So no it's not about her. It's about him.


BOLD 2: This is not about comfort is it. It doesn't matter how intimate a relationship is. Even between a husband and a wife if the wife is saying don't touch me rn I think the husband should ACTUALLY LISTEN.

In fact Parth's last show they did such a good job of showing this. The female lead is going through a hard time and Manik was a man who needed physical touch. And she asks him once not to touch her and she needs him in that moment, and touching her is the only way he knows how to comfort, but HE DOESN'T. It's as simple as that. And anyway the moment I was mentioning was the kitchen.

She told him to not hold her/touch her but he doesn't even LISTEN. And that is PLAIN WRONG.

First of all what in the show is not toxic ?? Prerna's love or Anurag's love or Mr Bajaj's love ?? Everyone of them at one point of tym hv done extreme things that one shouldn't be doing at all.

He isn't making her come back to him. He is just trying to make her spill her heart out .....so that he can get her out of this. He wants her to say she still loves him and it's because he needs to know that before helping a married woman walk out of her marriage.

Lol when did I say Mr Bajaj is so so deranged ??? Mr Bajaj himself admits he likes Prerna and talks a lot about Pre and why would anyone think he would harm her ??? Someone on the other side of this marriage might just think she is in this marriage because of some obligation not bcz her husband has trapped her.

You are not getting my words. I DIDN'T DAY ITS OK TO TOUCH SOMEONE IF SHE SAYS NOT TO. I only meant in general she is comfortable around Anurag and he doesn't make her uncomfortable. If you are talking about the kitchen scene from last episode then Pre should hv slapped him if he was crossing a boundary !! I would hv had no problem wid dt ! Why touch him back and validate his touch ??

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Posted: 5 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for at least trying to understand where I'm coming from. I think what most people missed with topic is NOT that Prerna was finally showing her feelings. God knows the girl deserves all the outbursts in the world. It was the fact that her feelings, her actions, her screenspace, every single thing was used as a crutch for Bajaj vs Anurag. Instead of this being ABOUT HER. It was about the two of them and she was objectified through and through. USED AS A PLOT DEVICE so they can then show more Bajrag tashan, whatever they're about to show next and obviously KOMOLIKA.

I mentioned this in another reply as well. My problem wasn't the Prerna Moloy scene. My problem was HOW THAT SCENE WASN'T EVEN ABOUT HER! That scene kept cutting to Anurag and Bajaj. Once that moment was over and she walked away we again had Anurag and Bajaj. Her feelings and emotions were used as a crutch and plot point and I feel like I've seen her through a third person this whole week. As a woman, I can't help but feel the objectification and second hand treatment such a delicate, precarious moment in her life has gotten. My absolute anger is at the writers.

Also I know that Prerna loves him. Which is why this is so much more important. What Bajaj or Vikrant or any other x, y, z feel for her doesn't matter because she doesn't love them. She loves Anurag who keeps telling her he knows her but doesn't care why would the person he knows so well would take such a drastic step.

And I know so many people are here busy saying this is the only way he'd get to know the truth WHICH IS JUST SO WRONG. HE'S NOT EVEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECTS. I mean after hearing Bajaj's confession WHAT DOES HE DO? He makes things as difficult as he can for Prerna with Bajaj and keeps on egging Bajaj regarding Prerna. You're telling me that AT ONE HAND he's seen Bajaj's deranged, difficult side and he HAS ZERO CONCERN OF HOW ANYTHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING HE DOES can trigger Bajaj in SOME WAY that could harm Prerna? Shouldn't her safety and well being be his utmost concern? Didn't he know her family wasn't on talking terms with her? What does he do? Instead of giving her the space he bulldozes into that moment, making it about her. Is that not emotionally taxing for her? This isn't even about harassment. This about her trying SO SO HARD to juggle through situations because both men in her life do whatever the hell they want. She tells him NO. AND HE DOESN'T LISTEN. Justifications? he loves her. She loves him. I'm sorry but you CAN LOVE SOMEONE TO DEATH and if they say NO. IT'S A NO. You respect that.

Prerna touches him and almost gives in. I'm sorry but his response to that is SO OFF. He should be pained. He should be thinking about her mental state, her pain, her comfort. Above all, why is she married to Bajaj? And what does he do? HE GOES TO BAJAJ AND with a cocky strut and aggressive and arrogant eyes, eggs him on now that he's got HIS VALIDATION. SHE'S MINE.

WOW.

WOW.

WOW.

I agree 100%. My main priority has always been Prerna in this show. Still waiting for the writers to realize that women's role shouldn't only depend on how she interacts with the men in her life. lmao i'm thinking how badly this show fails the Bechdel Test. Hashtag Prerna's Journeyyyyy
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Posted: 5 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: DaffodilsNew

First of all what in the show is not toxic ?? Prerna's love or Anurag's love or Mr Bajaj's love ?? Everyone of them at one point of tym hv done extreme things that one shouldn't be doing at all.

[Your point being? everyone's toxic so it's okay? eh? ]

He isn't making her come back to him. He is just trying to make her spill her heart out .....so that he can get her out of this. He wants her to say she still loves him and it's because he needs to know that before helping a married woman walk out of her marriage.

[Where HAS HE ACTUALLY WORDED THAT? I'm sure that's what he meant when he said *mujhe us deewar pe humaari photo chahiye. or she's mine. I deserve her. I had to fake my accident so she'd come to me. Paisa chahiye na tumhe? lo aaagaya paisa. My mother saw so many women for me. I only saw you.* I'm sure his mine mine i deserve her has been him trying to help a woman walk out of a marriage.]

Lol when did I say Mr Bajaj is so so deranged ??? Mr Bajaj himself admits he likes Prerna and talks a lot about Pre and why would anyone think he would harm her ??? Someone on the other side of this marriage might just think she is in this marriage because of some obligation not bcz her husband has trapped her.

[When did I SAY you SAID he's deranged? Please reread! ]

You are not getting my words. I DIDN'T DAY ITS OK TO TOUCH SOMEONE IF SHE SAYS NOT TO. I only meant in general she is comfortable around Anurag and he doesn't make her uncomfortable. If you are talking about the kitchen scene from last episode then Pre should hv slapped him if he was crossing a boundary !! I would hv had no problem wid dt ! Why touch him back and validate his touch ??

[I think the point has totally missed its mark. I'm not going to explain the same thing again to you. I can be perfectly comfortable with my brother/husband/father but if I tell them not to touch me/or stop with it, they're supposed to listen. No ifs no buts. But apparently things work differently in the romantic world. LAST LINE. Wow. Sure. NVM. Let's stop going in circles. We're clearly in on a fight that is not even the point anymore. ]

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Posted: 5 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: music_l0ver036

I agree 100%. My main priority has always been Prerna in this show. Still waiting for the writers to realize that women's role shouldn't only depend on how she interacts with the men in her life. lmao i'm thinking how badly this show fails the Bechdel Test. Hashtag Prerna's Journeyyyyy

Thank you. She deserves SO SO MUCH better as a character. I have no idea why this show has been doing such disservice to her from day 1? Lol the Bechdel Test isn't really for ITV. We have normalized all kinds of toxic shit on ITV. I've been waiting for Prerna's journey since the moment Komolika entered the picture. I mean if they wasted THAT OPPORTUNITY what can we expect from them now? Just need this stoic, soulless Prerna to disappear so we can watch at least SOME life back in her! I guess idc if it's Anurag or Bajaj or any x y z who makes her happy. As long as the girl shows some spirit I'll be fine. Expecting her to stand up for her self respect, be vocal, be smart and have a career is something I've stopped expecting because if they can't even give her her own arcs and monologues, expecting anything else feels so farfetched. 😆
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Posted: 5 years ago
#86

You are missing the point and just twisting my words . And your tone of conversation is coming off as rude.

No I'm not saying it's ok . I'm saying that every relationship in this damn show is toxic ......so y just say Prerna needs to walk away from this toxic relationship ??? They both hv been equal contributors to the toxicity of this relationship. Prerna has done the exact same things during Komo period. So yes it's a toxic relationship and dey both need to walk away from it. Now do you get what I'm saying ???

No he didn't say it but then everything need not be said. Similarly not everything said is the what it means. There's something called read between the lines. I'm not interested in explaining it again and again.

You didn't say dt I said dt but the way said it felt that way only. As if you are quoting the whole fandom's words as mine. I didn't even say anything bad about Mr Bajaj.

Yes we are clearly going in circles. You are not not understanding either what I'm trying to say. You just think I'm some person who doesn't understand what consent and approval of a woman is . I do understand you but you hv decided not to understand anything I say ......so yes let's stop going in circles.

Anyways I'm not interested in continuing this argument further. Yes it's an argument / debate not a FIGHT.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Since the title wasn't clear enough, *I DESERVE HER* is Anurag's staple line in the show. I agree with the whole x deserves y is bullshit which is why I mentioned it in the first place.


If you have seen the serial before, This is the way they CONVERSE ...all meaningless shallow talk. . Not just them , all of them..ok . From the time you are watching , have you heard anyone saying anything substantial ? What is bajaj doing since he married prerna? N same for all characters. Which quality does prerna possess that any boy would want her ?

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Posted: 5 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I'm sorry friend, you have COMPLETELY missed the point of my debate. My argument is apples. Your reply is oranges. Thus irrelevant to my discussion. Good write up anyway.

Alright lets see if I can make you see why I wrote what I wrote based on your write up.

For me it came off more as a critique against Anurag and his actions which comes off highly toxic and problematic and thus questioning what is there about him that makes him deserving of Pre.

A lot of us took the deserving part to be irrelevant and only something that is for the individuals involved to decide and thus all the talk of Anurags actions seemed irrelevant to many of us.

If you were looking for people's thinking with regards to toxic masculinity then had you worded in a different way without just pointing out one person's behavior then many would have got the point I feel.

Infact many times many Anupre fans and Pre fans and even Bajaj fans have talked about how Pre has been the most neglected character and everyone here recognized that her actions are made to be just props for either Anu or Bajaj to establish who she belongs to and why. It has never been about her in this marriage.

During Anukom marriage both the girls fighting over Anu had a similar tone to it. IF we look at their clashed Anu was talked about in the same manner. But I can see why that is less of an issue because, he was also given a voice and so although the girls talked in an objectifying manner viewers can see the man himself is not treated as an object by the show itself.

This time around Pre has been totally mute and both the guys are the ones speaking for her and worse she is made to just go along with the flow based on their behaviors only without any indication of what she the person is going through and her views, feelings and grievances is given no voice. She doesn't show any emotion unless badgered by either males.

Generally if you had wanted to highlight on masculine toxicity portrayed, then many would have been more forthcoming. Because that's one aspect that has been talked about many times in Anupre At as well. During the last couple of months many Anupre fans have not indulged in serous discussions outsife the AT because it very quickly gets to Anu vs Bajaj and gets locked down pretty quickly. Only recently have there been a little bit more discussion being done by Anupre fans outside the AT. But still there have been topics made on Pre and how she as a character is used as the crunch as you are saying here in your responses.

If you really look at Pre's situation, the girl who is manipulated to think that the only way to save her fiancee from Jail is to marry a guy (nearly 2 decades older than her) with the intention to make her a primary care taker of a differentially abled preteen kid, then that is the biggest action that has treated Pre as an out and out object with scant regards for her as a person. The girls was literally crying through out all those ceremonies and it was horrible to see a woman in that state being reduced to .In front of that Anu and Bajaj talking about pre like a trophy to be won between them is really mild...Actions always speak louder than words doesn't it.

Nobody is going to argue against the fact that Pre as a woman is highly objectified in this show if we look at her current state so I feel maybe if you had really wanted to focus on Pre's status than highlight just one aspect where Pre is objectified, all of us would have had a better discussion here.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

Alright lets see if I can make you see why I wrote what I wrote based on your write up.

For me it came off more as a critique against Anurag and his actions which comes off highly toxic and problematic and thus questioning what is there about him that makes him deserving of Pre.

A lot of us took the deserving part to be irrelevant and only something that is for the individuals involved to decide and thus all the talk of Anurags actions seemed irrelevant to many of us.

If you were looking for people's thinking with regards to toxic masculinity then had you worded in a different way without just pointing out one person's behavior then many would have got the point I feel.

Infact many times many Anupre fans and Pre fans and even Bajaj fans have talked about how Pre has been the most neglected character and everyone here recognized that her actions are made to be just props for either Anu or Bajaj to establish who she belongs to and why. It has never been about her in this marriage.

During Anukom marriage both the girls fighting over Anu had a similar tone to it. IF we look at their clashed Anu was talked about in the same manner. But I can see why that is less of an issue because, he was also given a voice and so although the girls talked in an objectifying manner viewers can see the man himself is not treated as an object by the show itself.

This time around Pre has been totally mute and both the guys are the ones speaking for her and worse she is made to just go along with the flow based on their behaviors only without any indication of what she the person is going through and her views, feelings and grievances is given no voice. She doesn't show any emotion unless badgered by either males.

Generally if you had wanted to highlight on masculine toxicity portrayed, then many would have been more forthcoming. Because that's one aspect that has been talked about many times in Anupre At as well. During the last couple of months many Anupre fans have not indulged in serous discussions outsife the AT because it very quickly gets to Anu vs Bajaj and gets locked down pretty quickly. Only recently have there been a little bit more discussion being done by Anupre fans outside the AT. But still there have been topics made on Pre and how she as a character is used as the crunch as you are saying here in your responses.

If you really look at Pre's situation, the girl who is manipulated to think that the only way to save her fiancee from Jail is to marry a guy (nearly 2 decades older than her) with the intention to make her a primary care taker of a differentially abled preteen kid, then that is the biggest action that has treated Pre as an out and out object with scant regards for her as a person. The girls was literally crying through out all those ceremonies and it was horrible to see a woman in that state being reduced to .In front of that Anu and Bajaj talking about pre like a trophy to be won between them is really mild...Actions always speak louder than words doesn't it.

Nobody is going to argue against the fact that Pre as a woman is highly objectified in this show if we look at her current state so I feel maybe if you had really wanted to focus on Pre's status than highlight just one aspect where Pre is objectified, all of us would have had a better discussion here.


Well said dear..anurag is a spokesperson for BOTH him and prerna..it's "hum" it's "their" love so even if anurag is telling "tum meri ho and you love me and we are soulmates and I love you" , he is implying both lovr each othrr both belong to each other both are soulmates for each other . She is denying this and he wants her to give in and accept that she is lying. Why is she lying? How is it important?


I admit he has been behaving like trash since prerna married but that doesn't define him . He is much more than that..

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Because he is any day better than white collared criminal bajaj no ?

Because he is pure soul, good hearted, once saved prerna from the clutches of NB

Because he did the most generous thing to love her.

Because his love is of convenience.

Because he can humiliate, insult and abuse her in the name of love

Because he can term her as golddigger and propose the idea of coming back to him when he is richer than bajaj

Because he cannot think beyond himself

His love comes with accusations

He is good guy

He is anurag basu

He is mohini basu's offspring

Basu khandan ka chashmo chirag

Because he LOVES* her


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