Originally posted by: sirigina
Minnie,
You wrote the following:
Quote:
"Now,here I disagree. That or those thread have to have contents which are against the basic rules of IF. We cannot be arbitrary in closing threads, especially if they are in the realm of discussion. That cannotbe regulated by the dev team. We are here to stop spamming, abuses,profanity,and warn members who behave in an unacceptable manner. If a member is not listening,we have the options of warning the member and banning them. We work through some specific guidelines. Ttopics can be closed or locked only if:
a) They are vulgar
b) They discuss things irrelevant to a section,like discussing fashion designing in Kasam Se
c) They are abusive,and are only opened to abuse members.
d) Instigating topics, like blaming characters going out of the way of the story or attacking actors,or have people fighting and attacking each other, writing awful things and the whole IF dev team comprising of viewbies,mods, GM and admins have failed to resolve the issue.
e) Topics asking for video updates,written updates, or simply 'hey I am bored...bla bla bla'
f) Topics which are copied without credit or permission from any other forum.
g) Topics which are simply opened to say ,'I am Pam, I am Sam, I have simply come to spam."
- unquote
I completely agree with you - but then what about this:
I had written a lot of poems on my own; earlier I used to not put up any "Disclaimer" saying " This lines are penned by me; they are not copied or plagiarised from some place else" but then mods wholesale deleted these posts without giving any indication /reasoning/ justification.
it also needs to be clearly defined as to:
1. who will moderate the moderators
2. Who is accountable
For example, it is not like all the decisions the mods take are supported by hard evidence either, and they could take arbitrary decisions.
For instance, I had put up a post called "Presentiment" and quoted the first 4 lines from Emily Dickinson's poem and the remaining (28 odd line) lines were all mine - purely my own - written on the fly - and that poem was deleted (just like that - no reasoning given)
- I was not even given an answer to that - I requested for an answer -
just because someone thinks people are not capable of being intelligent they cannot do something like that so arbitrarily -
however, I decided not to cause a hue and cry
- and realized that the mods are not expected to know everything and probably they think we have low IQ -
hence I started to include a "Disclaimer" in my posts saying "These lines are penned by me and not copied or plagiarised from some place else" after it started happening for quiet a few posts posted by me which are original work. One more problem is the conception that abstract art is not art is a misconception. If someone fails to understand a post because of its abstract nature/or because it is too objective should it be pulled out /deleted/closed.
But I found the same not happening when people quote whole lyrics/songs/poems that are copyrighted texts. T
Those posts are still there.
There was a certain discrimination in place certainly.
And there were no justifications or reasonings provided at any instance.
And you know "the lines of poems that I quoted" were in fact available for free distribution under Project Gutenberg.
So who will educate the mods? So who will moderate them?
I know I am bringing up this point now - but it really bothers me when people do not have valid reasoning.
So let us not have "Join the Discussion Forum for contributing interesting topics" at the top of the page when we cannot offer a space for free flow of thought.
Thanks,
Sarah
Hey Sirigina,these are very valid questions and I am glad you brought them up.I will do my best to answer them to the best of my ability:
I had written a lot of poems on my own; earlier I used to not put up any "Disclaimer" saying " This lines are penned by me; they are not copied or plagiarised from some place else" but then mods wholesale deleted these posts without giving any indication /reasoning/ justification. - I was not even given an answer to that - I requested for an answer -
just because someone thinks people are not capable of being intelligent they cannot do something like that so arbitrarily -
however, I decided not to cause a hue and cry
- and realized that the mods are not expected to know everything and probably they think we have low IQ -
hence I started to include a "Disclaimer" in my posts saying "These lines are penned by me and not copied or plagiarised from some place else" after it started happening for quiet a few posts posted by me which are original work. One more problem is the conception that abstract art is not art is a misconception. If someone fails to understand a post because of its abstract nature/or because it is too objective should it be pulled out /deleted/closed.
But I found the same not happening when people quote whole lyrics/songs/poems that are copyrighted texts. T
Those posts are still there.
There was a certain discrimination in place certainly.
And there were no justifications or reasonings provided at any instance.
And you know "the lines of poems that I quoted" were in fact available for free distribution under Project Gutenberg.
I am sorry ......that this happened. Often,mods follow the guidelines as they are,and sometimes they might miss it.That is why we have development sections where we can discuss such tricky issues. At times it's not possible to give reasons for deleting all the posts,as mods often delete posts which they deem irrelevant to the sections. They might be wrong,and hence we encourage to them to take second opinons on issues they are not sure of. I am sorry we were not aware of this issue,but unless I see those posts,I won't be able to tell you exactly why those posts could have been closed
What has happened cannot be undone,but in future,please pm us if any such issue take place. We GMs seldom visited KS section,as it was going beautifully.Luckily for us,it did not have two heroes unlike some other serials,so there was hardly any friction where members fight over their favourites. Trust me, the moment you have fans of different stars opposing each other in a section,that section becomes a nightmare !!!đ.However,you need to give some rope to our viewbies and mods, often they are new to the job and still learning..mistakes can happen...it's a lifelong learning process,and it never stops. We all make mistakes,but as a rule,when we are unsure of something,we seek help.
So who will educate the mods? So who will moderate them?
I know I am bringing up this point now - but it really bothers me when people do not have valid reasoning.
That is the trickiest question of all............
All the rules on IF were developed by moderators who gained experience in the forum over a period of time. All the rules have been made out of situations which caused a lot of grief in the intial period to avail everyone of free,fair and enjoyable participation. It's only now we have these rules in place, but when we began,we had none,and the problems we faced for our trouble were unthinkable.Over the period of time,we have had members who are extremely well balanced,and proved their rock solidness by handling each and every problem thrown at them in an exemplary fashion.And it is in this fashion that these rules have come into place.
The question of who moderators the moderators......
Well, though IF does work on a hierchy basis,but no one reports to anyone other than the viewbies to the mods of their respective sections,and everyone is on the same footing. But also as a prerogative,we seek help and guidance of mods who have been here before us and are more experienced than us. When a suggestion is given by them, we sometimes might not whole heartedly agree,but we follow it.So as a rule, viewbies work with mods,who are supervised by Channel mods, and GMs are there to supervise everything on it's entirity.But we work completely on dialogues,where we encourage all the dev team members to put forth their povs. They might not always reflect the majority view,but it's a platform for all.
If there is a controversy, we have a development section where we discuss it. And there, even though we might not agree on a particular issue, we go by the decision of the majority. That is a cardinal rule. It is something like the British constitution- few things are written,but the usage,practice,preceedents and prerogatives are so strong that the rules could have been carved in stone......And at the end,we all beleive that experience counts......and believe that if we work together, if someone falters,another will be there to guide us through....
So you can say, the whole dev team moderates each other.
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