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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

#101

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
why was sahadev not ready for five villages settlement??

While the other Pandavas were ready for peace, Sahadeva and Draupadi wanted war.

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Adhya

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Posted: 7 years ago

#102

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

While the other Pandavas were ready for peace, Sahadeva and Draupadi wanted war.

but why ? drau i understand but sahadev did he really wanted for drau or there was another reason??

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SweetRogue

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Posted: 7 years ago

#103

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
why was sahadev not ready for five villages settlement??

Among the Pandavas only Sahadeva clearly refused any peace. When they're discussing Krishna's peace proposal, Sahadeva says that Krishna should ensure war. His words are "On having seen Panchali molested in the assembly hall how can my anger towards Suyodhana be pacified without him being killed?"

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Brahmaputra

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Posted: 7 years ago

#104

Originally posted by: SweetRogue

You're right. When we don't even certainly know about relatively recent historical figures like Akbar, Jahangir or even Ashoka, how can we firmly know anything about the Mahbharata time period which was much much older. Anyone who wants to study the text has no other option except the text we currently have. Everything else is only theory or speculation. Until someone invents a time machine we can't firmly know what is true and what isn't, we can't even know if these people existed or not 😆

Exactly. I am only saying that we cannot conclude. Unfortunately, we have no time machine. Forget Ashoka and Akbar. We still don't know what happened to Netaji Subhash chandra bose.

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Adhya

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Posted: 7 years ago

#105

Originally posted by: SweetRogue

Among the Pandavas only Sahadeva clearly refused any peace. When they're discussing Krishna's peace proposal, Sahadeva says that Krishna should ensure war. His words are "On having seen Panchali molested in the assembly hall how can my anger towards Suyodhana be pacified without him being killed?"

wow people talk about bheem s agression for drau arjun winning her but this part is conviniently left out sad

but hats off to him 👏👏

Edited by Poorabhforever - 7 years ago

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

#106

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

but why ? drau i understand but sahadev did he really wanted for drau or there was another reason??

Clearly, for Drau. And Sahadeva, was like this throughout the epic.

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SweetRogue

@SweetRogue

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Posted: 7 years ago

#107

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Exactly. I am only saying that we cannot conclude. Unfortunately, we have no time machine. Forget Ashoka and Akbar. We still don't know what happened to Netaji Subhash chandra bose.

True. News keeps coming that he's still alive. Even Hitler is supposed to be alive according to some sources 😆

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Brahmaputra

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Posted: 7 years ago

#108

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

can you elaborate rewriting history?? why should prakishit do that? i am getting confused what about the other three versions??

mahabharath is so confusing 😆

Think that you're a king. Your grandparents killed their cousins who ruled your country before by cheating in a war. Now you want to bring a new change in laws and do something good for your kingdom. People will naturally resist change. They will blame you in the name of what your grandparents did. You don't know whether they were right or wrong. So you have no other option than to rewrite history and convince others that your grandparents were nice people.

Just look at British Royalty. Everyone killed everyone because no one liked any one. But there is no proof for anything though everyone speculated who did what. Still, no one said anything against the throne, because there was no proof or even if there was any proof, it was destroyed. Queen Victoria's guard and favorite friend Mr Brown kept a diary about their daily activities. It was burnt after his death by her son for the fear of public humiliation. Even such a small thing was a matter of threat to the throne. Royalties always need to protect their face before the public. They cannot stand against public opinion.

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Brahmaputra

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Posted: 7 years ago

#109

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

wow people talk about bheem s agression for drau arjun winning her but this part is conviniently left out sad

but hats off to him 👏👏

Not just there, when they were leaving to the forest after dyuta sabha, they took oaths to battle if they were not returned their kingdom. Sahadeva was the only one who took the oath to avenge Draupadi.

Edited by Brahmaputra - 7 years ago

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amritat

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Posted: 7 years ago

#110

Originally posted by: SweetRogue

Among the Pandavas only Sahadeva clearly refused any peace. When they're discussing Krishna's peace proposal, Sahadeva says that Krishna should ensure war. His words are "On having seen Panchali molested in the assembly hall how can my anger towards Suyodhana be pacified without him being killed?"

I'd go back a little to the previous incidents to give a better picture of the whole incident.

Post exile, the Pandavas sat into a council with Yadavas, Panchalas and their other allies. The main point of discussion was: What next? Their exile was over, and Duryodhan did not seem to have any inclination to return the land.

At the council, different people there gave their opinions on what needs to be done. After a lot of discussion, finally it was decided that before declaring war, it is always better to strive for peace first. So, an official peace proposal was sent out from the Pandavas to Duryodhan.

When Duryodhan read the proposal, he denied it rather scathingly. He said - "I have enjoyed the whole kingdom for the past 13 years, and I will continue to do so..." and mocks the Pandavas as "sesame seeds without kernel" who could not even save their wife.

When Duryodhan's message reached the Pandavas, Yudisthir being the pacifist that he was, wanted to give it another chance.

This time, he asked Krishna to go as their messenger, and strive for peace. It is here, that Sahadeva spoke against peace and Draupadi spoke out for the first time after council, expressing her disapproval for peace proposals, especially after witnessing Duryodhan's lack of remorse, or any inclination to co-exist. I find it strange that Draupadi does not speak out or protest when the first peace proposal was sent out.

Then Krishna is sent. He too comes back empty-handed. Seeing this, Yudisthir declares War.

Edited by amritat - 7 years ago