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Posted: 6 years ago
Until amritat now pointed out, I didn't even know that there is an Inversion Theory about MB. I have read MBh, but not analyses of it. So whatever I said was only my observation.



I think that problem is we are trying to see things from a 21st century perceptive. In MB times, Dharma meant more than anything. Mistakes of Pandavas are present in MB. But they are never presented as mistakes. They are either due to circumstances or destiny or because some elder told it or so. Mahabharata always made clear everything Pandavas did by some or the other dharma. Look at Dyuta sabha for example. Yudhi says that he played acc to dharma because it was his dharma to not refuse when summoned to play. He again says that it is sinful that Shakuni is playing not Dury, but still he would play as it us destiny or something that I don't remember now. Does that make any sense in today's community? But it did make sense, long ago. Such is each action of Pandavas. No one questioned killing of Nishadas because no one cared about them. Let me not begin with Pandavas cheating in war. It is always justified by DS events.😆 Like, Bhima while taking oath in sabha often forgot Draupadi's humiliation which happened a few minutes before, but remembered very well while kicking Dury's head. In Adi Parva, we can see how Bheema as a child enjoyed hurting Kauravas. He used to push them down trees, hold them underwater until they were about to die, break their heads with stones etc. These are never mentioned as sinful. But when Dury, who could not take that anymore, tried to poison Bhima, he immediately became a sinful wretch. Bhima did more harm than Dury did. But MB is partial to Bhima there. This is always the case. All mistakes of Pandavas are well covered by Dharma. So they go unnoticed by a staunch, traiditional person. And given the levels of Dharmic bhashans in this book, anyone in ancient times would have admitted Pandavas were the purest rather than going through all the pain.



Most of the times, these stories have been repeated through the mouths of rishis etc. So if you sit before a sage who is telling this, you might ask why the difference in treatment? But a person from gone centuries would never taken the risk of posing himself/herself as a jerk in public. That was the custom. Also these stories were passed orally for some 3000 years. It was very unlikely for any interpolator to remove every single thing from a poem as big as this one.
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Posted: 6 years ago

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regarding Sahedev , wasn't there something like He was good in knowing future.. I mean he had some special power right that allowed him to see future..

Another question - Five villages that Pandavas had asked , were they not such that it was impossible to give them anyway.. I don't know where i read or heard this but location of those villages were very much at critical point of their empire.. It was difficult for duryodhana to hold on to hastinapur if he had given those villages.. is there any truth to this?

i have no idea.
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Posted: 6 years ago
Just recently came across a new insightful theory that refutes the idea that the text of Mahabharata was orally transmitted through thousands of years. Indologist Viswa Adluri (who is associated with BORI I think) in his book "Philology..." opines that the idea of Mahabharata having gone through a prolonged oral tradition till it was written down later does not have substantial proof from an Indological perspective. He says, that perhaps, the epic was always in written form, contrary to what we believe.

That's a new theory...and surely can have loopholes and counterviews. But the book is insightful. It is found in archives.org.
Edited by amritat - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
again same question why retain them at all and then say mb was partial to bhim😔 what was dharam in whatever bhima did in childhood why did prakishit found it necessary to retain that part also why even mention the killing of nishbad or pandava cheating in a war if he was so powerful he could have easily ommited this part why didnt he presented kaurvakas as out and out villian why even mention about karna s great daan , or ekalavya why? why? why? why? or karna s pain his suffering all of this could have been deleted from the history but thats not the case is it ?? why highlight duri s skill?? or why present shakuni s side of story??? or bhismb?? why ? why ? why ?
the bottom line is despite having oppurtunity prakishit or anyone never presents anyone side to be completely justified or as amarya puroshotam bhagwan sri ram they didnt made as another ramayan

every side is well presented its upto you which side you want to believe

again why cant it be the other way round diluting kaurvakas deeds quite possible??
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: riti4u

regarding Sahedev , wasn't there something like He was good in knowing future.. I mean he had some special power right that allowed him to see future..

Another question - Five villages that Pandavas had asked , were they not such that it was impossible to give them anyway.. I don't know where i read or heard this but location of those villages were very much at critical point of their empire.. It was difficult for duryodhana to hold on to hastinapur if he had given those villages.. is there any truth to this?


The story of Sahadeva eating flesh of Pandu and blessed with the gift of foresight thereafter comes from a later retelling of the epic, IIRC.

I did not come across this story in either KMG or CE. Have to check Southern Recension, though.

The idea about Duryodhan not being able to give 5 villages was suggested by the TV show Dharmakshetra on EPIC channel. The epic particularly does not state as such, as far as my knowledge goes.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat

Just recently came across a new insightful theory that refutes the idea that the text of Mahabharata was orally transmitted through thousands of years. Indologist Viswa Adluri (who is associated with BORI I think) in his book "Philology..." opines that the idea of Mahabharata having gone through a prolonged oral tradition till it was written down later does not have substantial proof from a Indological perspective. He says, that perhaps, the epic was always in written form, contrary to what we believe.


That's a new theory...and surely can have loopholes and counterviews. But the book is insightful. It is found in archives.org.


amrita link please thanks
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Posted: 6 years ago


I could read it in quora , I don't know if I saw it in EPIC channel in some show..not really remembering .. not sure of authenticity also but Sahedev's stories probably are in regional versions..
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat



The story of Sahadeva eating flesh of Pandu and blessed with the gift of foresight thereafter comes from a later retelling of the epic, IIRC.

I did not come across this story in either KMG or CE. Have to check Southern Recension, though.

The idea about Duryodhan not being able to give 5 villages was suggested by the TV show Dharmakshetra on EPIC channel. The epic particularly does not state as such, as far as my knowledge goes.



Thank you for mentioning Dharmkshetra that was what I was referring too... I think Sahadev part was also show in same series...
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Posted: 6 years ago
Then we wil have to say all Sanskrit books except Mahabharata was being transmitted orally. Mahabharata alone was in written form. That doesn't sound good and hold good against the background of sanskrit literature. Nothing more can be said as of now, until I read it.
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Posted: 6 years ago
I am not sure if reading this book in a disjointed manner would help seeing the bigger picture or one needs to go through other documents by BORI. But for who are interested, here is the link from where one can download the Pdf. You might to create a free account.

@Poorabhforever Check the link to "Prolegomena to the Adi Parva" by Vishnu S. Sukthankar on the first page of this thread. That and the "Sanskrit Epics" by John Brockinton. That's where I started reading from before coming to Viswa Adluri's book.

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