Manan is way more than just Parth/Niti together onscreen.

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SheAish

@SheAish

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Posted: 9 years ago

I think a lot of us are forgetting the fact that Manan is Manan largely due to the phenomenal writing by Richa mam, Watwani etc and the excellent direction provided to the show by Ragiv sir and co. during the hay days of S1.

A great part of the intensity, angst and passion of Manan was brought out through the character of Manick while the cuteness , innocence and maturity was brought out through the character of Nandani though not exclusively as Mank's character also has its share of cuteness and innocence attached to it. But the maturity of Manick grew exclusively through his love story with Nandani while Nanadani was already a grounded and mature character.

Its not just the characters of Manick and Nandani that had a unique maturity to it despite their young ages, but their love also had a rare maturity to it which can stand the test of time and any tragedy with flying colors. All this adds to why Manan is legendary and thus is incomparable to other romantic stories out there.

If we are honest with ourselves Parth and Niti being onscreen together is not going to bring back Manan charm and chemistry, a fact we all saw clearly in S2. Chemistry is not just something to do with how good two people look together on screen. It also has a lot to do with the story surrounding them, the direction and the characters they play. Parth and Niti onscreen together is NOT Manan and will NEVER be.

Whatever little charm that S2 had with regards to Manan was there because of the fact that it was riding on the charm of S1 during Richa Mam and co. time. The few good scenes that S2 had of Manan would never stand alone on its own and is only relatable to us fans because the backbone of Manan was already established so thoroughly in S1.

Please come out of the delusion that Parth and Niti together onscreen without a team like Richa mam and co is going to look just as good as Manan and stop insulting RIcha Mam and her team with this narrow minded thinking. Manik and Nandani is not Parth and Niti exclusively. Manan is way bigger than either or both of them together.

Let Manan be Manan in all its glory and don't narrow it down to Parth and Niti.

Stop comparing Manan with whoever Parth or Niti is paried with in their other shows and just judge them on their own merit and the story surrounding their shows. I have no problems in seeing them with others or different shows.

Like it or not the passion and intensity of couples are brought forward through the male characters, so I have no doubt that Parth can recreate phenomenal passion and intensity with any other cute or hot looking decent actress opposite him provided the writing backs his excellent skills. Similarly if Niti is provided with a phenomenal actor like Parth who is just as raw and passionate as Parth (though I find actors of Parth's caliber who is just as good looking as him a rarity in TV industry these days) would look great as well if the writing backs the pairing.

Stop saying that they both would never look as good as they do together with each other. Because Parth and Niti alone does not make Manan without Richa mam and team Otherwise peeps would not have been bitterly dissapointed with S2 despite Parth and Niti being there in the show.

They both can look great and share excellent chemistry with others too that has its own unique charm if they are backed by a team as good as S1 team just like Manan is unique. And there are many good writers and directors in Bollywood though rare in tellywood, who can work wonders with actors like Parth.

As for Nit's new show I would not watch even if I am paid to do it, only because it's a show that is benefiting VG and creeps like him is not going to get any attention from me EVER. Entertainment ki kaminehihey is duniyame that I would watch his shows.

If Niti does something else not related to VG, I will give it a try just like I do with all other good actresses/actors whose acting I like/love.

Yes, there I said it, now judge me!

Oh and yeah, since I have expressed partiality to Parth's acting here, please do chuck everything else I have said here and concentrate on that one point and make the post a Parth vs Niti one.😆

EDIT: I can see that many are confusing my appreciation of Manan and the fact that I consider both Parth/Niti equally as far is Manan is concerned with the point I made about them being able to look good with others with good teams behind them.

So here is my explanation from my reply to a fellower commenter here. Sorry for the confusion peeps.😳

"Before I made the point about them working with others I specifically talked about how male leads are used to generate the intensity and passion of couples largely in desi shows and I don't think many would disagree me on this.

And what is required by a male lead in that sense to create an amazing chemistry with a female lead is very different and in my POV there are really few actors in telly who are as expressive as Parth in this department.

And I did not just refer to looks when I talked about Parth being able to create chemistry with another costar. I clearly said decent actor as well. Look at the para you have quoted of me in your above post.

WIth regards to Manan I find both Parth and Niti phenomenal in their portrayal in S1 if I am to summarize their whole journey there. That does not mean I didn't find some flaws in their acting at times.

There is such a thing as no matter how great at acting one is, some costars and some roles bring out the very best in you and that's what both Parth and Niti did in my POV with regards to Manan. Once again I give a lot of credit to Richa mam for bringing out their best in the over all product.

Please don't confuse my regard for Parth as a better actor with how I view Manan and how much I credit Parth and Ntit for it. "

Edited by SheAish - 9 years ago

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shubha

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Posted: 9 years ago

I agree with your basic point here that its not only the actors who bring out the chemistry or make a story loveable...infact actors themselves play a very minimal role in what is seen on the screen...they play or do what ther are told to do...maybe later as the serial crosses 50 odd episodes the actors bring their own inputs into the characters as by now they start understanding what and how their characters will be or react in a given situation. But the most important role is of the director..and the entire creative team. Its the director's vision which the actors enact on screen..thus the chemistry too comes out well in the hands of a good creative who knows the characters and the story like the back of their hand

however chemistry between two actors is something even a good story and a strong team sometimes fail to bring out..as it is true that parth and niti might not be as good as they were as manan in any other show together..it is also true that manan wouldn't have been so powerful if it had been any one else but parth and niti playing them. i don;t think anyone can actually describe how two actors can bring out chemistry..soemtimes its just there...

i have seen many good movies with brilliant direction with awesome performances by the actors but felt the chemistry was lacking..and kyy was full of flaws after 70 odd episodes even with richa around but still the show rode on manan and manan alone...u might say it was all writing and direction but i believe it was also the chemistry and the comfort level which pani had developed by then...

but ya i agree parth and niti alone can't make a show work simply on their chemistry but i also believe u don;t need a mindblowing story or brilliant direction to get chemistry out of them..a modest and an average team might do wonders with the kind of chemistry pani have..which might not true for other actors

As for u saying that its just male actors who bring out chemistry then i hope its true for parth's sake cos then that guy has nothing to worry about..all he needs a decent looking girl like u said in all his future projects and parth's career is set for life:)..

and if ur theory is true then srk should have brought out the same kind of chemistry he did with kajol with all actresses he worked with..i mean he worked with a lot of them..didn't he?..there's a reason why there are very few tv or films couple who are known to share amazing chemistry..and it is pretty disappointing to only credit a male actor for it(:

it takes two to tango and it takes two to make a love story work..i am sure u don;t appreciate niti's role in manan..but for me it was nandini which made me love manan initially...cos it was her innocent and clueless response to manik's intensity which drew me to manan initally...infact i remember when kyy first aired on tv..i liked dhruni too for some time alongwith manan...and utkarsh is not that good an actor either:)

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soothu

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Posted: 9 years ago

As for Nit's new show I would not watch even if I am paid to do it, only because it's a show that is benefiting VG and creeps like him is not going to get any attention from me EVER.

hats off u dear...

secound u,

,never ever in my life,,

i wont support him///

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vaanii078

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: soothu
As for Nit's new show I would not watch even if I am paid to do it, only because it's a show that is benefiting VG and creeps like him is not going to get any attention from me EVER.

hats off u dear...

secound u,
,never ever in my life,,
i wont support him///

I am also with you .never going to watch his shows in my life.

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shibz

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Posted: 9 years ago

I agree partially but I'm not sure if I got the whole point of this post.

I don't know if anybody disregarded Richa Yamini and the team work while crediting PaNi for MaNan. But I agree that comparing MaNan with Parth and Niti's chemistry with other co-actors is an insult to MaNan. But then again if their scenes(similar scenes or similar acting) with other co-actors remind fans of MaNan then comparison is inevitable.

It's true that MaNan is a team effort, but Parth & Niti do play a major role apart from Richa Yamini that makes MaNan what it is. I am not sure if you are aware that the writers and directors kept changing throughout the season 1 while only Richa Yamini and Parth-Niti remained constant. (I personally am not a big fan of Watwanis' writing. They joined KY2 after the first 90 epis or so. Thanks to VG who took away the original writer for his Wahiyat high😡) So After Richa Yamini if I trusted anybody the most with MaNan, it was PaNi. Of course I don't deny the contribution of the directors and writers but in Season 2 we had none of them apart from Niti n Watwanis initially(they did know MaNan as a unit well enough) and later on Parth.

I believe MaNan could have been better even with mediocre writing in S2 had Parth & Niti shared the same cordial relationship they shared during S1. We all know what went wrong with regards to Parth-Niti offscreen bond during S2. Add to that a pathetic director who from the look of it wasn't ready to take inputs from others. We also know how involved the actors especially Parth was with the behind the scenes team during S1. The lack of all that was a major drawback for S2. Also, the creative team including writers looked clueless as to what the audience would have liked.

As for Parth and Niti together without the backdrop of MaNan, they can still be good if they sorted their differences and shared the same old or better relationship in future. Of course their chemistry then will have a different flavour as per the demand of the script/characters. Btw I have absolutely no expectations for the future😆

Parth pulls off a passionate character with ease. No doubt. But chemistry does not come just by acting. He has to have a co-actor as professional as Niti for him to pull off the chemistry I believe. Also, he can show intensity only if the story and character demands na?😆

Both Parth and Niti have their own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to acting. If they work on their weaknesses and bring variations in their strengths they can do so much more.

Lastly, I would really like to advice them to play their future characters as differently as possible otherwise monotony can put a lot of ppl off no matter how good their with other actors is.

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nandini-sb

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Posted: 9 years ago

Kyy fandom is one of very less fans who gave credit to team
When it cones to richa n watwani we love them
Its not just ant pani but if richa would be back on TV or films I would definitely give a chance to her work
Same goes for watwanis n pani
We never said that manan is just pani its just that for me n for many of us no one else could be manan other than pani
No one is comparing manan timeless story with others
But pani chemistry would be compared everything we will see them on screen with someone else
It's not manan we r comparing it's pani

I think u don't like nandini much which is not surprising
Most of the kyy fandom is female n manik is the ultimate prince charming just can't help it
But its not just male actor who takes forward chemistry
If u see Parth with fenil in bff it was plain no chemistry at all
Parth was handsome n fits perfectly as pritvi but Parth n fenil has no sparks
But then ur one line that "Parth can create chemistry with any decent looking average looking girl" explains a lot
So I would not waste my point explaining it ..
But chemistry n spark btw two ppl comes more from comfort level n skiils of both parties n in case of pani they r natural*bless my babies

Abt ptkk its ur choice to watch it or not
But honestly most of ppl in this fandom would not watch ptkk n it gas nothing to do with VG n gang
Its just that ptkk has shitty stories n no one gonna waste their precious 1 hour for that
Even suhus can watch VG shows if its something exceptionally good
When Parth was in ptkk I just watched 2 initial epi with niti I doubt it would be just one
Ptkk has no charm

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SheAish

@SheAish

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Posted: 9 years ago

@FateBeChanged and @nandini_sb

Since both of you have talked about the same things I'll address them in one post.

You guys have confused my point of the male lead being the one bringing forth the intensity and passion of Manan with not liking the character of Nandini and not giving credit to Niti for her part in Manan.

Actually Nandani is my most favourite character of Kyy till she started to be butchered to show case Aryaman's pshychotic behaviour towards Manik in the latter part of S1.

Yes I do love Manik too due to Manan, but as a character I started loving him mostly during the PTSD track of Nandini after the kidnapping when Maniks character growth was at its peak.

As a character Manik had to go through changes as he was introduced as a grey character and thus a wider range of acting skills had to be displayed compared to Nandini and in my POV Parth was exceptional in all except for some of the emotional scenes in the early days.

Please understand the difference between liking/loving a character with appreciating the acting abilities of one person over the other. Its like loving the acting of a villanious character though we might hate the character in the show.

Niti did an exceptional Nandini and her contribution to Manan is as much appreciated as Parth's portrayal of Manik.

My other point is about how I view chemistry of a couple and why Manan is legendary to me. I can see there is a difference in how most of you guys view chemistry of a couple in comparison to me where for me most of it is to do with the story surrounding the couple.

What attracts me to a couple is their story no matter how good they look together on screen.

Thus my main point of the post is that I give larger credit to the writing than the actors portraying Manan in how phenomenal they are as couple. This is not to say that I disregard Parth and Niti's contribution at all. Or that I give more credit to one actor over the other for Manan. I consider them both equally as far as my appreciation for Manan is considered.

And my point about believing both of them could look just as good with another actor as they did with each other was clearly said provided the writing is good as it was for Manan though it can have its own unique appeal to it that is different to Manan and no comparison is required. And I talked about both of them not just Parth.

Please go and read my whole post and don't take bits and pieces of it to comment.

PS: Yes I do think Parth a better actor but none of the points I have said in my main post and here contradicts what I have said.

@shibz dear, I think I have addressed you qs too in this post so please give this a read.

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charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

I don't now if you are new here or not, but this forum and MaNan fandom particularly love and adore RY most not only because she wrote MaNan so well but she respected the audience. You could see she not only pushed her actors to do their best but she also had a moral responsibility towards the audience . Every weekend we had off-screen drama and these bratty actors doing their thing but never did she allow it to spill on-screen. This forum in S1 had a personal equation with her, most of us gave up on the show after she left and we owe it to her every single time when she came to interact with us. She chose us to announce her exit even though she didn't have to. So yes , her contribution is paramount because MaNan were her babies.

I do feel Parth and Niti got MaNan really well in S1, even Ry couldn't have got them to push the envelope the way they did in S1 ..you just don't get that chemistry, comfort and realism. If you listen to Parth's initial ivs you get what he meant by Niti switching from nandu to Niti mode and Niti's about him internalizing the character. They had a good idea about it.

S2 was a mess, you neither had a story, director or any will to sell the show. Nyonika left and that was a big gap. After RY , if I trust MaNan with anyone then that was PaNi and they kind of let their personal differences , stupid off-screen mess reflect on their work. Yet they had their moments when you could see them selling MaNan- tum Mile sequence and bits here and there , inspite of no story. Parth did seem to have an idea and it was pretty clear from his ivs how the new team didn't really care for his iv.

Parth and Niti complement each other acting wise, MaNan won't be what it is with any other pair even with RY around.It is not about how good they look but how well they enacted their characters. You take Nandini, Niti owned her like a boss in S1 but in S2 she was all lost -acting wise. Parth has had his zone in-zone outs .

The comparisons are inevitable if they do same genre and if they are made to act out against people who dress/behave like their previous costars/characters. You cannot run away from comparisons coz MaNan is their finest work and will remain so throughout even if they manage to top it in future. The actors and their STANS need to accept and be proud of what they did.

It is pretty silly and idiotic when people come here and say ..oh you don't like Nandini or Niti much because you will drool over Manik or something. For more than an year, this forum loved Niti the most. And Nandini too. She was the most protected actor and character in S1- fact that her stans conveniently deny now.

Manik was an easier character, because he was sorted in first 10 episodes , you know he was the character with an upward trajectory but it was Nandini who had to be removed from pedestal and be vulnerable from time to time. Credit to her , she was so good and MaNan became huge the whole narration of the show shifted to her and MaNan.

But in S2- Nandini and Niti- the actor both were majorly off. It has nothing to do with Parth or Manik. Niti dropped the ball herself pretty much the moment S2 started. Except for the crying scenes which she aces.

Nandini was the character difficult to write and sell in S1 and Manik was the easier of the two and more defined because story was based around him. Together they sell, MaNan. You cannot love Manik without understanding what Nandini did to him and you cannot appreciate Nandini without realizing what Manik brought to her. Rest it is an individual's prerogative to like one character more than another..it doesn't mean one is doing disservice to the gender or something. Stop bringing the woman card (not to you , TM).

Niti zones out easily while Parth goes hammy(I could list out the scenes too😆) ..they did it as MaNan too but somehow together they used to balance it out. Meh, if they both could have been cordial and focused on their job , settling aside their differences ..they could have still sold S2 somewhat.

RY and PaNi made MaNan. You need good creative, director ,always to sell a story but you need both the actors at the top of their game selling the show. We won't know what future holds. Not just co-actors. Manik and Nandini , individually are tough act to follow. Like Shibz mentioned they need to switch to some another genre for a bit.

Oh , Also, TM , you are asking for a miracle..the stans will make it about Parth vs Niti , you see from where VG gets his ideas😆.

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SheAish

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Posted: 9 years ago

@charminggene

Yes was a silent reader for a while and joined the forum after Maniks entrance in S2.

I think we are kind of on the same page though I can see that I still tend to lean a bit more towards Richa mam when it comes to my Manan appreciation not only due to the story but also due to her diligence in bringing out the best of both Parth and Niti despite all the offscreen drama.

You are right that both Manik and Nandani are hard acts to follow but my main point about comparisons was that I personally don't believe that either of them can never look as good as they did with each other with others provided they are paired with good actors opposite them and good writers behind them. And these pairs can be viewed with their own charm without having to compare it with Manan and its uique charm either.

And I think I have addressed most of your points in my above post to others which might make my stand a bit more clear I hope.

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charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

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S2, never really had MaNan fans or the team. RY interacted with us personally, she announced her exit to us before anyone knew she was leaving. So yes, we have appreciated her well enough and she knows it. You should check the dedications to her. S2 was a different ball game and none of us took the season seriously. Richa scores above all simply because she knew how to shut off-screen drama away ..which was alot more in S1 too.

Ofcourse they can look and sell other pairs well. But try as they might , comparisons will happen and they and their stans need to accept that. it is too early ,also. MaNan are really tough act to follow. You have SRK selling romance just about with anyone but his pair with Kajol and their characters will always remain the benchmark. Same is here.

You cannot help the comparison if the genre is same and the treatment of their parings be similar too.

Edited by charminggenie - 9 years ago