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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: priakachan

Replacing parth is not same as replacinguttkarsh, not even close
Replacing parth or niti is nearly out of ques
But ayaz n uttu can be replaced
Now ayaz is a lil illogical as cabir is dead...
But uttkarsh I mean if they bring a good actor it won't be that difficult
Girl never ever bring ur real relations in contrast with a show
Not worth it...

Dear...regarding bringing real relations in contrast to a show..I meant not as in for real. I mean as in the kind of attachment we give to a person or even a character and connect it with images. The image of take for instance a friend of yours...that image is something we attach to that name. Similarly with Dhruv. When we say Dhruv...the image of Utkarsh appears in our mind. When we replace that image with another..it's weird.

Regarding Ayaz being replaced as Cabir also..I would like to differ. I mean..not many actors can bring the kind of comic element that Ayaz brought in with portrayal of Cabir. When we hear Cabir, we imagine a particular behaviour patternwaala insaan, whose quickwit, expressions..all remind us of Ayaz. Now if another actor enacts the same character, he would talk, walk and behave different from Cabir ..even if he totally tries to imitate Ayaz. Ayaz has a style of its own and his style is what we see in Cabir.

Regarding replacing Parth and Utkarsh being different..yaar if we take the history of television serials..it had happened many times that the main lead has been replaced with other actors and it was tough to connect too. But it had happened many times. The only reason why Parth was not replaced was because...perhaps he talked to the creatives as if he may/may not return. That's why they made it as if Manik was not in car while blast took place.

But then U are saying that Utkarsh can be replaced. Yaar...Fab 5 members...why we miss them? It's not because we miss the character alone. If so...Dhruv's character is not dead. His character is alive and if we assume that...why bring in another actor to do the role? Dhruv's character is still there even if not on screen, right?? I mean..take for instance, the character of Abhi..why didn't they bring back another guy in the role of Abhi? Why didn't they bring in another actor to replace Maddy? It's maybe because they want the fans to keep the images of the characters as they are. Instead of bringing in one face after another to do a single character..why not just make that character disappear ...either permanently or temporarily.

If we think of whether Dhruv's character is gone? It's not. It is there...but not onscreen with Manik and rest of Fab 5. If supposing instead of quitting, Uttu wanted a break and had taken a break...let's assume that way and it's shown as him going on a vacation or something. Then would we insist on bringing in a new actor as filler? No na?? We would take for granted the disappearance of that character. Just like the way...Shahid (the guy who was first planning to jump off the building) and Abhi's character's disappeared and it didn't affect audience too.

We are thinking continuously of Fab 5...Manik and Yaariyaan connecting just these three. But perhaps CVs intend to show...Yaariaan that remain and some Yaariaan that break...due to circumstances or by decision of the characters themselves. If instead of insisting to bring in Dhruv's character compulsorily to show Fab 5, we assume that Dhruv is still there..even though not in picture...it's still Fab 4 and has not become Fab 3, na??😳

I said all of this because..I many times saw characters in serials being replaced by new actors and if by chance, the new actor is not upto the mark, we watch the replacement actor not matching upto the performance of prior actor, we would complain on that too, na??

OK I understand ur POV
But I still think uttkarsh can be replaced😊

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Originally posted by: priakachan

Replacing parth is not same as replacinguttkarsh, not even close
Replacing parth or niti is nearly out of ques
But ayaz n uttu can be replaced
Now ayaz is a lil illogical as cabir is dead...
But uttkarsh I mean if they bring a good actor it won't be that difficult
Girl never ever bring ur real relations in contrast with a show
Not worth it...

Dear...regarding bringing real relations in contrast to a show..I meant not as in for real. I mean as in the kind of attachment we give to a person or even a character and connect it with images. The image of take for instance a friend of yours...that image is something we attach to that name. Similarly with Dhruv. When we say Dhruv...the image of Utkarsh appears in our mind. When we replace that image with another..it's weird.

Regarding Ayaz being replaced as Cabir also..I would like to differ. I mean..not many actors can bring the kind of comic element that Ayaz brought in with portrayal of Cabir. When we hear Cabir, we imagine a particular behaviour patternwaala insaan, whose quickwit, expressions..all remind us of Ayaz. Now if another actor enacts the same character, he would talk, walk and behave different from Cabir ..even if he totally tries to imitate Ayaz. Ayaz has a style of its own and his style is what we see in Cabir.

Regarding replacing Parth and Utkarsh being different..yaar if we take the history of television serials..it had happened many times that the main lead has been replaced with other actors and it was tough to connect too. But it had happened many times. The only reason why Parth was not replaced was because...perhaps he talked to the creatives as if he may/may not return. That's why they made it as if Manik was not in car while blast took place.

But then U are saying that Utkarsh can be replaced. Yaar...Fab 5 members...why we miss them? It's not because we miss the character alone. If so...Dhruv's character is not dead. His character is alive and if we assume that...why bring in another actor to do the role? Dhruv's character is still there even if not on screen, right?? I mean..take for instance, the character of Abhi..why didn't they bring back another guy in the role of Abhi? Why didn't they bring in another actor to replace Maddy? It's maybe because they want the fans to keep the images of the characters as they are. Instead of bringing in one face after another to do a single character..why not just make that character disappear ...either permanently or temporarily.

If we think of whether Dhruv's character is gone? It's not. It is there...but not onscreen with Manik and rest of Fab 5. If supposing instead of quitting, Uttu wanted a break and had taken a break...let's assume that way and it's shown as him going on a vacation or something. Then would we insist on bringing in a new actor as filler? No na?? We would take for granted the disappearance of that character. Just like the way...Shahid (the guy who was first planning to jump off the building) and Abhi's character's disappeared and it didn't affect audience too.

We are thinking continuously of Fab 5...Manik and Yaariyaan connecting just these three. But perhaps CVs intend to show...Yaariaan that remain and some Yaariaan that break...due to circumstances or by decision of the characters themselves. If instead of insisting to bring in Dhruv's character compulsorily to show Fab 5, we assume that Dhruv is still there..even though not in picture...it's still Fab 4 and has not become Fab 3, na??😳

I said all of this because..I many times saw characters in serials being replaced by new actors and if by chance, the new actor is not upto the mark, we watch the replacement actor not matching upto the performance of prior actor, we would complain on that too, na??

There have been successful replacements in tv too... I agree thay for sometimes we will be uncomfortable but if the actor is good then eventually we will get ib terms with it... Uttu's acting itsrlf was not that great to compare and then complane.abouy it... Acting is not uttu's.cup of tea.. He is good in dancing. May be thats why he quitted the show... Even after playing the same character for more than an year his acting havenot improved much. Uttu seems.like a hardworking guy but still he was not able to pull the character well.. He cannot be blamed.completely since the.writers also screwed dhruv to a level but alya's character was also ruined at times but still krissan improved a lot... So I dont think people will complane on the acting of the new actor that much.. Also dhruv's character till date never had a scene were he has to do extremely deep and intense scenes.. It would have been possible if ayaz was replaced even krissan for that matter...

Still comparing real and reel is entirelu different... For a matter if one of our frind or family gets into an accident and has.to dp through plastic surgery and has a slight difference in their appearance we for sometimez may be uncomfortable but stikl we will cope with it and move on since the person's personality will bethe same...

Dhruv's absence in the show at this time is a problem coz fab 5 already lost a.member and lossing one.more will domore damage to the show.. If cabir was stilk there and dhruv.left it.would have been fine.. We already had that situaiton when.uttu left for splitsvilla for a month... Out of 7 main characters 2 are.gone that too both were male characters.. Of one.male amd one.female character was absent still itwould have been fine...

Abhimanyu was not rreplaced coz his character was never a permanent character and zain didnt quit the show his charcter was ended just like jasmin's and.dishank's... He.was.shown as a cancer patient and we already knew one day or the other he.is gonna.leave the show... Maddy's charcter ended coz maddy was kind of a replacemebt to manik's.character.. The show wanted an alpha male character to fill manik's character so they bought maddy... Two alpha male cannot be under one roof... So ending his charcter was better.than replacing him.. His charcter ended without getting spoiled... If they continued with maddy by replacing yuvraj.either.they have to turn him to a.villian or to Tone down his character...

Abhishek's absence did affect the show.. If he continued thr show would havr had a.different story just like parth would havnt quit now we.must have been seeing a different kyy without any maddy or aryamann... shahid never contributef anything to the storyline exvept for one.single scene... Harshad's absence was the.reason we had.to bare soha and pandit for so long... Yhe story needed another villian...

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Posted: 9 years ago

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There have been successful replacements in tv too... I agree thay for sometimes we will be uncomfortable but if the actor is good then eventually we will get ib terms with it...

I know yaar...but still...right now...perhaps they are keeping the character of Dhruv active..maybe coz after sometime Utkarsh may opt to return or perhaps another actor will come. Because Dhruv said in the dialogue that when he finds himself..he will return. 😳

Uttu's acting itsrlf was not that great to compare and then complane.abouy it... Acting is not uttu's.cup of tea.. He is good in dancing. May be thats why he quitted the show... Even after playing the same character for more than an year his acting havenot improved much. Uttu seems.like a hardworking guy but still he was not able to pull the character well.. He cannot be blamed.completely since the.writers also screwed dhruv to a level but alya's character was also ruined at times but still krissan improved a lot... So I dont think people will complane on the acting of the new actor that much.. Also dhruv's character till date never had a scene were he has to do extremely deep and intense scenes.. It would have been possible if ayaz was replaced even krissan for that matter...

No actually yaar...it's not about Krissan's acting improving..it's the way Alya's character changed in Season 2. In Season 1 start..she was shown as a bit irritating jealous girlfriend and then had half the time of Season 2 being in love with Dhruv or fighting with him. But in Season 2, her looks...getup, the way she behaves all became more refined and she has become more toned down as in..shown with a sweeter, chirpier personality. Regarding Dhruv's character..I somehow liked his acting. I mean...I didn't feel it that bad. The way in many scenes Dhruv showed his frustration to Manik, his love for Nandini and his confusion with regard to Alya..I felt that he acted pretty well. Maybe it's just me..but I always felt that Uttu gave a good feel to the character of Dhruv...from the starting point when he had those seizures...and even now..I feel that if Utkarsh was given a good scope to perform..he would! But Dhruv's character itself didn't get developed more. CVs were totally in a haywire state coz of Maddy's entry and what to do with the character of Aryaman, how to fix the situation of Ayaz not being on the show. Amidst all that..they didn't make a good story for Dhruv. Initially when Utkarsh accepted the role..Dhruv had a story and that story is now gone. Any actor would want to have more scope to perform and Dhruv's character had nothing much to show. I don't think CVs will also put an effort to develop Dhruv's character at this point when they have to focus on MaNan, Aryaman, Harshad faceoffs and also there's the story of Alya and the boss. For Navya and Mukti also the adoption track was the storyline left. So at this point...Dhruv's character is being made silent for a few days...perhaps after that..Dhruv will return too. 😳

Still comparing real and reel is entirelu different... For a matter if one of our frind or family gets into an accident and has.to dp through plastic surgery and has a slight difference in their appearance we for sometimez may be uncomfortable but stikl we will cope with it and move on since the person's personality will bethe same...

Agree yaar..but like U said..even if a person does a plastic surgery..it's the personality factor. Dhruv has a particular personality and which is portrayed by Utkarsh. Another actor won't have same personality, na? I mean...another person can act try to imitate Utkarsh..but when we think of the character Dhruv...the images that will come to our mind and the behaviour pattern..speaking style will be that of Utkarsh na?😳

Dhruv's absence in the show at this time is a problem coz fab 5 already lost a.member and lossing one.more will domore damage to the show.. If cabir was stilk there and dhruv.left it.would have been fine.. We already had that situaiton when.uttu left for splitsvilla for a month... Out of 7 main characters 2 are.gone that too both were male characters.. Of one.male amd one.female character was absent still itwould have been fine...

Actually I personally feel...since the CVs are already focussing on something to do with Aryaman-MaNan and Harshad instigating Aryaman...maybe a memory loss track or a misunderstanding track..I feel the focus will be more there than on Mukti or Navya or Alya or Dhruv(if he were there). The focus will be all on weaving a story around MaNan and Aryaman from what I can see. So even if a new guy is brought in as Dhruv..he must be willing to do a character that may not get much notice and even all this while..audience who want to see MaNan were not very excited to see Dhrulya romance, Alya-boss chitchat or Navya-Mukti-Abeer story! So if CVs offer the role of Dhruv to a new guy...even if they bring him in ...after some days..his story will get sidelined back to being the backup of Fab 5...without a story revolving around him. 😳

Abhimanyu was not rreplaced coz his character was never a permanent character and zain didnt quit the show his charcter was ended just like jasmin's and.dishank's... He.was.shown as a cancer patient and we already knew one day or the other he.is gonna.leave the show... Maddy's charcter ended coz maddy was kind of a replacemebt to manik's.character.. The show wanted an alpha male character to fill manik's character so they bought maddy... Two alpha male cannot be under one roof... So ending his charcter was better.than replacing him.. His charcter ended without getting spoiled... If they continued with maddy by replacing yuvraj.either.they have to turn him to a.villian or to Tone down his character...

Actually yaar...agree with what you mentioned about Abhimanyu...but then again, if the CVs wanted they could've kept him as love interest of Mukti. But Abhimanyu and Mukti..I felt lacked a sizzling chemistry. Imagine..if situation was that there was a really good actor who was in perfect match with Mukti as in to create a sizzling chemistry like of MaNan...then perhaps his character would not have been shown as having a cancer or something. They could've kept Abhimanyu's character like they kept Navya's character..even when after a certain point, she didn't have much other than to cry over getting cheated by Harshad and living together with Kabir.

But it's just that..the audience was not very interested in the Mukti-Abhimanyu romance track. So perhaps he too thought to quit at that point. Regarding Maddy's character, I agree..but then again..Yuvraj wanted to quit too. It was not as if the CVs wanted to remove him. If Yuvraj had opted to remain...they could've made Maddy into a rival to Fab 5 and them competing in Musicana or Manik & Maddy competing for president position or something of the sort...Yuvraj could've been paired up with Mukti or Navya...they could've linked him to KY2. But Yuvraj possibly knew that once Parth returns the focus will turn to MaNan and audience (majority of them) will wait to watch only MaNan romance. 😆

Abhishek's absence did affect the show.. If he continued thr show would havr had a.different story just like parth would havnt quit now we.must have been seeing a different kyy without any maddy or aryamann... shahid never contributef anything to the storyline exvept for one.single scene... Harshad's absence was the.reason we had.to bare soha and pandit for so long... Yhe story needed another villian...

Shahid's personality was a bit meek and he was a part of the band with Nandini and Navya at the start. But then again...with new more important characters coming in..his role also lost scope and plus he looked so soft type that I don't feel he could be paired with any of the girls too. 😆 Soha was brought as negative and Pandit too...but their characters were intended to be temporary ones. But then again...even now Soha's character and Pandit's character is not dead..they can be brought back in at any point. Aryaman hai..tho Soha bhi wapas aa sakte haina?😆

The only character who can't be brought back is that of Kabir as he is shown to be dead. But then again..if they want to bring back Ayaz..Kabir can have a twin brother too! Perhaps a twin brother who is not gay!😆😛

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Abhimanyu's character wa.based on srk's character from kal ho na ho and zain already cleared that... So we all knew he was not gonna be on tje shoe for long.. His charcter was pre planned... His cancer was not something the writers wrote after seeing his lack of chemistry with mukti... I agree that they had zero chemistry... Watching them together was better.than seeing harshaf torturing mukti coz abhishek and charlie has.better chemistry than zain and charlie...

I agree that yuvraj's quitting was the reason for ending maddy's character but like I said if he agreed to continue or maddy was replaced the writers would have needed to change.his characterization...

Krissan improved a.lot by the middle of s1 itself but I dont see that growth in uttu at all.. His acting was moving in a.snail phase... At the starting of the.show his character didnt had.much dialouges and his physical appearance helped him a lot... Also during the attacks his face was.not very visible all the time... But as the.dialogue increased his weaknesses started to show... His dialouge delivery was.really poor...

I always though uttu wad the weakest ehen it comes to acting... Even zain was better comparing to him...

There was a.story line for dhruv... Alya-bosses.story line includes hum also... Here also we cannoy blame the actors or writers coz we.as.audience are.not ready to give even 5-10 mins screen space to other storyline except manan... Every dayif there is a less manan seen atleast 2-3 posts qre.made complaining about that... We as the audience are also at fault for the actor's quitting...

Many actors will be more than pleased to play dhruv and are ready to just stand there whole day even without.a.dialogue...

About.the real life thing.. Like I said.we cannot compare it with reel.. In real a personality of a person.is his and in reel Character's personality is what the writers want it to be... Dhruv's personality itself took a 180 degree.turn in s2... He was.no more the dhruv from s1... All the othet.characters had there basic factors.in s2 but dhruv... In s2 dhruv was.more.utkarsh than dhruv... Also dhruv as a character didnt touch the majority of the.viewers as much as mananbir so people will cope u with the replacement...

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Originally posted by: spnfan
Abhimanyu's character wa.based on srk's character from kal ho na ho and zain already cleared that... So we all knew he was not gonna be on tje shoe for long.. His charcter was pre planned... His cancer was not something the writers wrote after seeing his lack of chemistry with mukti... I agree that they had zero chemistry... Watching them together was better.than seeing harshaf torturing mukti coz abhishek and charlie has.better chemistry than zain and charlie...
I agree that yuvraj's quitting was the reason for ending maddy's character but like I said if he agreed to continue or maddy was replaced the writers would have needed to change.his characterization...

Hmm I didn't know of the 'Kal ho na ho' part!😆 But anyways...like we both agreed...the chemistry was lacking too with regard to Abhimanyu and Mukti. Regarding keeping Yuvraj's character, they could've brought Yuvraj as a rival to Manik and Fab 5 in the music competition side/president position side as in him intervening with using jamming room and stuff. They could've connected Maddy as an instigator for Aryaman to make him understand Nandini's feelings and maybe they could've extended the story of GD and Maddy and why he is lonely and all. But they had to stop it midway because Yuvraj himself felt that his character would not be as important as what it was initially shown to him as..when the CVs agreed upon giving him the role in S2.

Krissan improved a.lot by the middle of s1 itself but I dont see that growth in uttu at all.. His acting was moving in a.snail phase... At the starting of the.show his character didnt had.much dialouges and his physical appearance helped him a lot... Also during the attacks his face was.not very visible all the time... But as the.dialogue increased his weaknesses started to show... His dialouge delivery was.really poor...
I always though uttu wad the weakest ehen it comes to acting... Even zain was better comparing to him...

No yaar..actually the actress I didn't much felt was doing good was Krissan..I felt that she was not catching the eye that much. But agree with Dhruv's factor too...his appearance initially was the attraction factor and like I said..my mind still connects the name Dhruv to the initial guy who had hair that almost fell over his eyes...wearing caps and carrying a guitar with a star on it and who always had a meek shy personality. The Season 2 character of Dhruv..I could never connect with. I don't feel it's completely Utkarsh's fault...it's the kind of scenes he was given. Dialogues given to him were cool type and he had to keep a toned down personality...as in cool silent type. But then again..I don't feel many people even noticed the progress of Dhruv's story. Dhrulya story was more of a filler to the MaNan-packed KY2. 😆

There was a.story line for dhruv... Alya-bosses.story line includes hum also... Here also we cannoy blame the actors or writers coz we.as.audience are.not ready to give even 5-10 mins screen space to other storyline except manan... Every dayif there is a less manan seen atleast 2-3 posts qre.made complaining about that... We as the audience are also at fault for the actor's quitting...

No yaar..the same old Dhruv getting suspicious of Alya and misunderstanding track..sandwiched between MaNan scenes (which fans are waiting for) and Navya-Mukti-Abeer scenes (which audience don't even want to watch) once more Dhrulya shown to be fighting coz of the boss...it will become too cliched and it'll get boring too. So there the role of Dhruv's character and its scope ends too na?😆 Agree about the fault of audience wishing to see MaNan all the time...but then, we audience want to have some entertainment. Entertainment is mainly seeing MaNan romance na? If Parth and Niti have awesome onscreen chemistry as Manik and Nandini...audience also can't be blamed if they wish to see MaNan scenes. 😳

Many actors will be more than pleased to play dhruv and are ready to just stand there whole day even without.a.dialogue...

No yaar..I mean good actors...who have talent in them and knows it themselves and want a scope to perform won't settle for roles that doesn't have a story in them and where they just have to stand without doing much other than to pine over his girlfriend having a deeper connect with the boss and fuming with jealousy. Ya..those who are desperate for money or those who are less ambitious and somehow want to come on tv screen may settle for it. Because..the way CVs have seen fans not accepting Maddy as a replacement for Manik and creating a fuss..CVs possibly felt that a new actor coming as Dhruv may not be accepted by a lot of fans. That's why...instead of totally closing down the character...they left the option of Dhruv returning open. If they want to show Dhruv's re-entry back in Fab 5's life...it doesn't need 20 episodes..they just need a single episode to show Dhruv coming back to be with Fab 5 and with Alya. It can be even a single finale episode na?😆

About.the real life thing.. Like I said.we cannot compare it with reel.. In real a personality of a person.is his and in reel Character's personality is what the writers want it to be... Dhruv's personality itself took a 180 degree.turn in s2... He was.no more the dhruv from s1... All the othet.characters had there basic factors.in s2 but dhruv... In s2 dhruv was.more.utkarsh than dhruv... Also dhruv as a character didnt touch the majority of the.viewers as much as mananbir so people will cope u with the replacement...

Agree...I was not comparing real totally yaar...Reel is based on real and we connect with everything we see around us. Even with stories..that's why we feel..cry, laugh and feel various emotions even when we see something on reel knowing that it is based on real. Agree that they changed Dhruv's personality..but then again..I meant the basic voice and such factors that is totally of the person's.

I mean..the CVs when they tried to bring in Maddy wanted to show Maddy similar to Manik as in having the same voice, having the same sarcasm and the way he made fun of Nandini, it was similar to what Manik did in Season 1 in the starting episodes..but we couldn't connect with Maddy...Ya I know Parth is an awesome actor and he is irreplacable. But if Parth had not returned..CVs would've attempted to atleast made Maddy have a one-way feeling towards Nandini..but then again, Yuvraj as Maddy was not completely accepted by fans too. Maddy pairing up with Nandini...if CVs wanted they could've done that. But when the initial CVs brought in the thought of MaNan forever...it stuck to audience hearts and so that triggered bringing back of Parth too. But otherwise..CVs had the idea of bringing in Maddy as a replacement for Manik..even though the same name was not given. But...atleast they wanted Maddy to be the central character in Season 2.

Dhruv's character may not have touched as much as MaNanBir...but then again that is where the thought lies..If Kabir's character (which had touched audience character) can be erased completely (as in killing his character off)...why can't Dhruv's be removed partially atleast? I mean..suddenly CVs also cannot bring in a new guy re-entry..when the scope of the story becoming of Fab 5 story becoming lesser and lesser?

What will CVs show?? More Musicana scenes? More practice?? What more will Dhruv's character have to show? Nothing. Just keep calling Manik as "buddy" and walking after Alya and fuming over Alya-boss relation. That's all will be left and it will make Dhruv's re-entry itself unwanted and boring. Better that the character remains silent for a bit and lets see how the CVs plan to take the story further and show the "Yaariaan" between the remaining characters and what story they are intending to show.

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