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Posted: 10 years ago
Personally to me, this is about the fact that they made Nandini looks STUPID and AIMLESS.


Why even set her up as being intuitive and thoughtful about this if end mein it was just going to come down to "The deal is off"?😕 Where is the Nandu who was watching Arya with intelligent eyes, not buying his shit even as he tried to act oversmart with her? I feel cheated for THAT Nandu...when I read in the LU ki she's busy giving a final great speech before saying, "The deal is off", I just wanted to bang my head somewhere...SO hollow and SO pointless they made this entire sequence of events.


You know I can take/zone out Arya ki bakwaas IF and ONLY IF you give me an intelligent Nandu or Manik handling the other sideys ki bakwaas...but what did you do yesterday? Just made her give yet another hollow/pointless speech and that's supposed to impress me? Oh wow look Nandu is sunaaoing to Arya yet again...SO fruitful that is. I'm blown away...then what the hell were the last 2-3 weeks about? KYUN KHICHDI BANAATE HO? HAR BAAR...BAAR BAAR.



And to those saying that Nandu couldn't tell Manik cuz he would be angry and all...ek tareeka hota hai intuitiveness dikhaane ka that I don't think I need to EXPLAIN to the writers who just last week gave us a beautiful scene about Manik saying he'll wait for her to tell him even though this situation scares him so much...and Nandu didn't JUMP to DEFENDING this loser Arya in THAT moment as a reply...she just teared up with a smile...neither accepting or denying in that moment that she was indeed hiding something from Manik...THAT is the intuitive communication that is MaNan...not this NONSENSE they are showing ki just seconds after someone makes an attempt on Manik's life IN FRONT OF HER EYES, Nandu is STILL busy JUSTIFYING THAT PERSON to Manik...No...Just NO...Please stop this bakwaas and digging yourselves into a hole you can't come out of...Nandu is compassionate but not a FOOL.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: ArShi_scorp



if u r taking a comparative growth of the actors - strictly in terms of acting - my 2 cents wud be as follows:

Niti had the max growth - till the store room scene, Parth was easily over-shadowing her .. and then whaam-boom - the girl juz elevated herself with each n every episode.. she can easily give takkar to sum experienced actors on the TV screen now, esp wen it cums to emotional scenes . her drunken episode , for me, still remains unbeatable on TV ( and this cuming frm a big Sanaya Irani fan)

Parth - he looked comfortable with his character frm the beginnin .. if emotional scenes were Niti's plus point, it was a -ve point for Parth. But the boy is hardworking and sincere to his character; and kudos to the growth he has shown as an actor.


Charlie was good in the beginning -- her angst , her drug addiction, her 'bro'mance with Cabir , all was good . dunno wen she got dumbed down to this irritating amateurish 'sherlock on the prowl' - but i still like her scenes with Alya.


Krissan - the brkup with Manik did her a whole world of good - both onscreen and offscreen.. she was no more the clingy attention-seeking gf.. she cud expand her wings n try givin more emotions.. remember those bimbette type expressions she used to give in the beginning like - "finished". but thr's a limit to tht growth wen u r paired up with Utkarsh in the show


Ayaz -- he was gud with his role from the beginning (tho i used to hate him onscreen).. his 'tabaahi' nonsense was irritating to say the least.. he performed well during tht gay track .. but Ayaz seems to sleep-walk thru sum of his scenes at times.. over-confidence or laziness -- dunno


Veebha - i hav seen her performances in BV , and kno her to be a wonderful actress .. but dunno wat happens to her in KY2 .. of this lot, she's the one with the max downward graph.
she has got beautiful expressive eyes, sumtimes a bit too expressive for my liking ...


Utkarsh -- dont hav nething more to say abt this guy, than wat's already been written several times here... he was always the worst performer -- but then beginning , the character Dhruv used to redeem Utkarsh's inabilities for me .
but lately , Utkarsh and Dhruv hav merged and becum one , and we can so clearly the lack of effort which a certain 'Uts' is putting ...


Kishwer - sassy, wicked, the evil queen - who can shake the show dynamics with her sheer presence.
her character grew on me, as time passed.. .. she's an experienced actor (juz switch channels n compare Nyonika with her other char Dimpy in the other show - wat range), and I hav no comments to make on her acting .. the queen bee rox


Abhishek - easy on the eye, honest to his work, no offscreen drama - yup, needs to work on his acting bit -- but he can surprise u at times, esp wen he's paired opposite Nyo or a mirror 😉😆

👏 Wah meri dost!
I personally Love Abhishek for his no non-sense attitude and his respect for his work..

you continue your respect for work bro..you will for sure pick on your acting soon too!
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Personally to me, this is about the fact that they made Nandini looks STUPID and AIMLESS.


Why even set her up as being intuitive and thoughtful about this if end mein it was just going to come down to "The deal is off"?😕 Where is the Nandu who was watching Arya with intelligent eyes, not buying his shit even as he tried to act oversmart with her? I feel cheated for THAT Nandu...when I read in the LU ki she's busy giving a final great speech before saying, "The deal is off", I just wanted to bang my head somewhere...SO hollow and SO pointless they made this entire sequence of events.


You know I can take/zone out Arya ki bakwaas IF and ONLY IF you give me an intelligent Nandu or Manik handling the other sideys ki bakwaas...but what did you do yesterday? Just made her give yet another hollow/pointless speech and that's supposed to impress me? Oh wow look Nandu is sunaaoing to Arya yet again...SO fruitful that is. I'm blown away...then what the hell were the last 2-3 weeks about? KYUN KHICHDI BANAATE HO? HAR BAAR...BAAR BAAR.



And to those saying that Nandu couldn't tell Manik cuz he would be angry and all...ek tareeka hota hai intuitiveness dikhaane ka that I don't think I need to EXPLAIN to the writers who just last week gave us a beautiful scene about Manik saying he'll wait for her to tell him even though this situation scares him so much...and Nandu didn't JUMP to DEFENDING this loser Arya in THAT moment as a reply...she just teared up with a smile...neither accepting or denying in that moment that she was indeed hiding something from Manik...THAT is the intuitive communication that is MaNan...not this NONSENSE they are showing ki just seconds after someone makes an attempt on Manik's life IN FRONT OF HER EYES, Nandu is STILL busy JUSTIFYING THAT PERSON to Manik...No...Just NO...Please stop this bakwaas and digging yourselves into a hole you can't come out of...Nandu is compassionate but not a FOOL.



Exactly Anu! This is what is expected of Nandini's character in terms of MaNan's equation and communication. She still didn't have to tell Manik the truth there and then, but why is she defending Aryamann? A person whom you barely know attempted to physically harm the love of your life, the reaction should have been her being quiet and thinking HOW to handle this situation now, because clearly she got betrayed by a person whom she thought she could trust. People are forgetting Nandini is not SCARED of Manik Malhothra's anger: She punched him, faced him, went to him and told him "you are not a monster", she found ways to communicate with him when he was uncontrollable, so why is this not shown NOW? The writers are telling me that Nandini has lost the technique to calm her man down? to make him reason?, come on woman have this basic instinct, they know how to talk to their man and Manan are another level in that terms, they are soulmates. Where is the Nandini who told him "Why shouldn't I not go there? Why shouldn't I defend Alya? Because she is not Manik Malhothra?" One of the things that attracted Manik towards Nandini is how she left him gobsmacked, how she outwitted him over his oversmartness in giving her up for Dhruv, how she intuitively realised he is self-destructing to his pursuit of getting Harshad over ruining cabir's life and teamed up with FAB 5 to get Harshad. These little things attracted viewership and made us love Nandini and Manan more.
All this, is not being shown since the pandit track. It was there when Manik was in hospital for a week and writers thought about Nandini's character, she was the old nandini, balanced and sharp. I think the writers focus more on Manik's characterization and built Nandini around him, forgetting Nandini is an individual at times. I am sorry to say, a high school kid learning english literature can think of better ways of executing the Manan scene yesterday with Arya's involvement. Writers need to think that people watch for Nandini more than Manik, most of the audience is made of the female genre and one small mistake the viewers will pick it up and it loses it sync. It doesn't matter about mukti/Alya/Navya because they are not the main female leads, they don't get analysed to the point as Nandini does. But one small out of character Nandini does, it is highlighted to the max. And yes, it can end up losing viewership, because patience goes down and people watch for the individual manan scene instead. Sad truth.

Just my humble opinion.
Edited by diva82 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: ArShi_scorp


Niti had the max growth - till the store room scene, Parth was easily over-shadowing her .. and then whaam-boom - the girl juz elevated herself with each n every episode.. she can easily give takkar to sum experienced actors on the TV screen now, esp wen it cums to emotional scenes . her drunken episode , for me, still remains unbeatable on TV ( and this cuming frm a big Sanaya Irani fan)

Agree with you. Niti has grown into a fine actress in this show. She takes her work seriously and that shows in her performance. Drunk scene is my favourite. Other memorable scenes are the break up scene, the scenes after FC where she portrayed the broken and fear filled Nandu so well and the scene where Manik breaks down after Dhruv's lashing. Her inherent cuteness works in her favour in the comic scenes and her innocent looks works in the romantic scenes where she is the perfect foil for the Kameena Manik. Of late she has upto her game even in the romantic dept which requires her to be more bold. A good actress is one who makes the viewers empathise and live every emotion she portrays on screen and she has managed to do this with ease. Very few people look good when they cry and apart from Sanaya, Niti is the only one at least on T.V.



Parth - he looked comfortable with his character frm the beginnin .. if emotional scenes were Niti's plus point, it was a -ve point for Parth. But the boy is hardworking and sincere to his character; and kudos to the growth he has shown as an actor.

Yes, Parth was good from the beginning but he has not let himself stagnate and has grown tremendously since then. Yes, emotional scenes were his weak point, especially in the musicana break up scene where his expressions looked forced and unconvincing but the guy has worked on it and aced the breakdown scene post Dhruv lashing. Loved the emotional scenes on the terrace and library after the v-day too. His face is expressive and he compliments the expression with good voice modulation to elevate the scenes. Didn't like his drunken scenes though. I thought cuteness was not his forte but of late he has proved me wrong going by last week's episodes.



Charlie was good in the beginning -- her angst , her drug addiction, her 'bro'mance with Cabir , all was good . dunno wen she got dumbed down to this irritating amateurish 'sherlock on the prowl' - but i still like her scenes with Alya.

I think Charlie was very good initially but I think Mukbhi track did her in. Zain's mediocrity rubbed off on her. The absence of a strong screen play for her also did not work in her favour. With increasing focus on Manan, the rest of the Fab 5 seem to take their roles more lightly I think. Apart from the scenes you mentioned, I loved her sarangi playing in Fab 5's fusion song prior to Musicana. She looked like a true professional.


Krissan - the brkup with Manik did her a whole world of good - both onscreen and offscreen.. she was no more the clingy attention-seeking gf.. she cud expand her wings n try givin more emotions.. remember those bimbette type expressions she used to give in the beginning like - "finished". but thr's a limit to tht growth wen u r paired up with Utkarsh in the show.

Krissan has also improved since the start. Considering that this is her first show, her growth is commendable. She was especially good in the Mangalore track with Harshad and Arya. Agree you need to have a good co-actor to get the best in you and here Uttu is of not much use to her. She needs to work on her expressions which at times seem inappropriate for the scene in question.

Ayaz -- he was gud with his role from the beginning (tho i used to hate him onscreen).. his 'tabaahi' nonsense was irritating to say the least.. he performed well during tht gay track .. but Ayaz seems to sleep-walk thru sum of his scenes at times.. over-confidence or laziness -- dunno

Fully agree with you on this one too. He is a natural actor and does his character with ease. Considering that as Cabir he has to display a range of emotions, he has done good but yes, of late he seems to have slackened. Offscreen drama getting to him?

Veebha - i hav seen her performances in BV , and kno her to be a wonderful actress .. but dunno wat happens to her in KY2 .. of this lot, she's the one with the max downward graph.
she has got beautiful expressive eyes, sumtimes a bit too expressive for my liking ...

Maybe I am the only one who did not find Veebha bad. Her character is supposed to be this OTT girl from small town. So her behaviour, though irritating and annoying at times is in keeping with that. She is better in comic scenes than in emotional ones.


Utkarsh -- dont hav nething more to say abt this guy, than wat's already been written several times here... he was always the worst performer -- but then beginning , the character Dhruv used to redeem Utkarsh's inabilities for me .
but lately , Utkarsh and Dhruv hav merged and becum one , and we can so clearly the lack of effort which a certain 'Uts' is putting ...

Utkarsh's dull acting suited his role when Dhruv was the quiet , unobtrusive gentle guy who was slow in his actions. His scenes with Manik in the initial episodes were quite good. However, when they gave him a heavier role which required him to display a range of emotions, he fell flat and couldn't capitalise on it. The transition from quiet to vociferous Dhruv exposed his weakness - poor dialogue delivery. This combined with limited expressions, he came out looking hopeless. This role is clearly not for him. He should concetrate on a dancing career rather than an acting career. If he sticks on to acting he should look for comic roles (the slapstick variety) which I think he may be better in going by his offscreen fooling around.


Kishwer - sassy, wicked, the evil queen - who can shake the show dynamics with her sheer presence.
her character grew on me, as time passed.. .. she's an experienced actor (juz switch channels n compare Nyonika with her other char Dimpy in the other show - wat range), and I hav no comments to make on her acting .. the queen bee rox

The queen bee she is. Apart from her great acting, she brings out the best in her co-actors. Every actor so far has shone in the scenes with her, including people like Abhishek. That is a great achievement for her.


Abhishek - easy on the eye, honest to his work, no offscreen drama - yup, needs to work on his acting bit -- but he can surprise u at times, esp wen he's paired opposite Nyo or a mirror 😉😆

Agree here too. He is not naturally talented and shines only in patches. Maybe he gets overwhelmed by the brilliance of Parth and Niti.

Edited by Opti - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AreYaar

And to those saying that Nandu couldn't tell Manik cuz he would be angry and all...ek tareeka hota hai intuitiveness dikhaane ka that I don't think I need to EXPLAIN to the writers who just last week gave us a beautiful scene about Manik saying he'll wait for her to tell him even though this situation scares him so much...and Nandu didn't JUMP to DEFENDING this loser Arya in THAT moment as a reply...she just teared up with a smile...neither accepting or denying in that moment that she was indeed hiding something from Manik...THAT is the intuitive communication that is MaNan...not this NONSENSE they are showing ki just seconds after someone makes an attempt on Manik's life IN FRONT OF HER EYES, Nandu is STILL busy JUSTIFYING THAT PERSON to Manik...No...Just NO...Please stop this bakwaas and digging yourselves into a hole you can't come out of...Nandu is compassionate but not a FOOL.


I think she panicked that Manik may become violent if he finds out Arya was behind this. That is why she was desperately trying to distract him from finding evidence of his involvement. Manik's anger knows no bound when his girl is in danger and at the moment that is what he is thinking. I hope she is only wating for him to cool off before she comes clean in the Arya issue and does not further continue this hiding drama.
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Posted: 10 years ago
@Diva, Nandu can tackle Manik's anger if it is directed towards her for she knows he will not cross the limit but when it comes to people who harm her, Manik becomes a manic. This is why she is fearful for him. I hope her intention to distract him was to wait for things to cool down because at that point her revelation would have only fueled his anger and worsened the situation.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Opti

@Diva, Nandu can tackle Manik's anger if it is directed towards her for she knows he will not cross the limit but when it comes to people who harm her, Manik becomes a manic. This is why she is fearful for him. I hope her intention to distract him was to wait for things to cool down because at that point her revelation would have only fueled his anger and worsened the situation.



Ok that's fine, but like I said, the writers didn't need to have Nandini defending aryamann. Nor her sending him a text. Instead, the text she could of send, "the deal is off". and then making herself attempt to calm Manik down and to listen to her ..the blank promise she could have used..of course a scene could have been use to interrupt them, like a call from Dhruv that Alya is unwell and yeah mukti is there, which will lead him to mukti's place. These shuttle things make a difference and kept Nandini's character in tact. This is what I am saying, they are not thinking of Nandini's character. I feel they think of the plot with Manik's character and then build Nandini around him. Then it becomes plot driven, and not character driven, especially on Nandini's part.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: diva82



Ok that's fine, but like I said, the writers didn't need to have Nandini defending aryamann. Nor her sending him a text. Instead, the text she could of send, "the deal is off". and then making herself attempt to calm Manik down and to listen to her ..the blank promise she could have used..of course a scene could have been use to interrupt them, like a call from Dhruv that Alya is unwell and yeah mukti is there, which will lead him to mukti's place. These shuttle things make a difference and kept Nandini's character in tact. This is what I am saying, they are not thinking of Nandini's character. I feel they think of the plot with Manik's character and then build Nandini around him. Then it becomes plot driven, and not character driven, especially on Nandini's part.


I personally don't have any problem with yesterday's, episode.

@Bold Totally Agree.. They do it very often. They short change everything to keep her around Manik.. After the storeroom sequence, they shortchanged DruNi, NavNi, even her interaction with her family for that matter to make her exclusively available for Manik. They used her as a foil for every other character and didn't give her any tangibles.
Nandini as an individual has so much potential, but in the beginning they used all her ideologies, and basic character traits to play against Manik and his friends. Lack of strong foundation makes it look jarring when Nandini is played against Someone other than the original characters which we are familiar with.
Even In kidnapping track they concentrated more on searching part rather than playing her fears.
Then in Manglore track they muted her, and using Manik as narrator instead of herself was the greatest mistake. People ended up empathising with Manik, when it had been other way around.
Instead of showing Ams concerned about Nandini and showing her break-down or her fearsatleast, they magically made her recover from trauma and made it more about Manik and Ams.

We don't see these things when she is in her origin.. But the moment she goes out from that(FC track, Trauma track and now Aryamann track) it seems jarring because we don't really have any back-up or things we can use as a reference, unlike Manik.. We will have to come up with our own version of back-stories which differs from person to person.

If I closely analyse and think about it, every action of her's makes sense(atleast to me).. Anytime I can defend or Justify her actions. But why this justification or defending is needed at the first place is the real question(Ignoring AU Viewers).
According to me CV's aren't really doing justice to her character and they always leave things hanging in the Air. In short they need to make her talk and show her bonding with different people, Give her monologues, Let viewers completely inside her mind.. She is no mystery character so showing her plans, Ideas to the audience beforehand would do no harm.
See we know her fear about Manik's anger but they never really made her talk about it, which makes it as atopic of debate. Give her dialogues and make her talk about every damn thing bas!! To Manik or to herself doesn't matter.
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Posted: 10 years ago
In the second watch there are few couplish pheels between Manan..

1. Nandus hair sticking to Maniks beard
2. Manik shouting at Nandu and she says quietly she's not defending him.
3. Manik orders Nandu to stop teaming with Arya for talent hunt.
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Posted: 10 years ago
@LovesTobeLoved: I'm a bit confused as to how you can enjoy the epis when you acknowledge all the JARRING goof-ups they are doing with Nandu's character...how can it all still "make sense" if you are acknowledging it as a mess?


@Chickky: LOL now you're just grasping at straws...her hair sticking to his stubble? hahaha...if they weren't showing a nonsensical drag, THEN these moments may matter...otherwise it's moot.

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